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In short, Italy must win to go through. They've drawn against Spain & Croatia, both 1-1. Perhaps interestingly in both, they went ahead first. They're looking at changing tactics for several reasons:
1. Balotelli hasn't scored and is nursing an injury so is a doubt.
2. Italy fans / media want Di Natale to start (who scored against Spain and came off the bench in both matches).
3. They need to win and are up against a side they know aren't going to do anything other than invite them on to goal.
I think Ireland have really terrible in their first two matches. Trapattoni has basically blamed the players and said they weren't man enough to have the balls and play the way they had been playing for years under his leadership... that they got stage fright. I'd agree with that... against Spain they may as well have asked the Spanish for autographs before the match. There was nothing for Irish fans to be proud off on the pitch and the players deserve heavy criticism not for the result, but for their lack of fighting spirit which Ireland are famed for.
They go in to this match against Italy knowing they're out and Italy have to win. Managed by an Italian who led Italy to the world cup in 2002 and euro 2004, Trapattoni will know the players and their mentality. I'm expecting a very tight game tomorrow for several reasons:
1. Irish players have zero pressure on them and will want to enjoy it and put on a good show having let everyone down in the first two matches (it could well be be Given, Duff, Keane & Dunne's last performance)
2. Italy must win and are expected to hockey Ireland so there's huge pressure on them.
3. The Irish management team (Trap & Tardelli) know the Italian players & management team well so tactically have an advantage.
4. Ireland have drawn twice (home and away) against Italy in 2010 wc qualifiers and beat Italy 2-0 in a friendly last year - against a decent Italian 11, (7 of which are in the current Italian squad).
I was going to stay away from this one but have decided to lay Italy because i believe their price is too short. The reason it has shortened so much is because Ireland got hammered by Spain. Hardly fair as i don't think many sides would have given Spain a game with the form they were in that night.
Before that match, Italy were 1.8 to win against Ireland. After, the price collapsed to 1.30. I accept Ireland looked to be a bunch of drunk fans happy to get a run around on a pitch against superstars, but i still think there's value here and Ireland were a little unlucky over the last two games. Against Croatia Ireland played poorly but if you study all 3 goals conceded, you'll see they were pretty unlucky. Given was blindsighted for one, the 2nd went in off his head and Ireland should have been awarded a free kick in the build up to another.
0-0, 1-0, 0-1 or 1-1 is how i think this will finish. Lay of Italy is smart bet to trade, hopefully at HT. Against Croatia, Ireland went in 1-2 at the break and against Spain it was just 0-1. They've started poorly in both (given away a goal in opening 3 mins) so i think it's a case of third time lucky tomorrow for Ireland.
1. Balotelli hasn't scored and is nursing an injury so is a doubt.
2. Italy fans / media want Di Natale to start (who scored against Spain and came off the bench in both matches).
3. They need to win and are up against a side they know aren't going to do anything other than invite them on to goal.
I think Ireland have really terrible in their first two matches. Trapattoni has basically blamed the players and said they weren't man enough to have the balls and play the way they had been playing for years under his leadership... that they got stage fright. I'd agree with that... against Spain they may as well have asked the Spanish for autographs before the match. There was nothing for Irish fans to be proud off on the pitch and the players deserve heavy criticism not for the result, but for their lack of fighting spirit which Ireland are famed for.
They go in to this match against Italy knowing they're out and Italy have to win. Managed by an Italian who led Italy to the world cup in 2002 and euro 2004, Trapattoni will know the players and their mentality. I'm expecting a very tight game tomorrow for several reasons:
1. Irish players have zero pressure on them and will want to enjoy it and put on a good show having let everyone down in the first two matches (it could well be be Given, Duff, Keane & Dunne's last performance)
2. Italy must win and are expected to hockey Ireland so there's huge pressure on them.
3. The Irish management team (Trap & Tardelli) know the Italian players & management team well so tactically have an advantage.
4. Ireland have drawn twice (home and away) against Italy in 2010 wc qualifiers and beat Italy 2-0 in a friendly last year - against a decent Italian 11, (7 of which are in the current Italian squad).
I was going to stay away from this one but have decided to lay Italy because i believe their price is too short. The reason it has shortened so much is because Ireland got hammered by Spain. Hardly fair as i don't think many sides would have given Spain a game with the form they were in that night.
Before that match, Italy were 1.8 to win against Ireland. After, the price collapsed to 1.30. I accept Ireland looked to be a bunch of drunk fans happy to get a run around on a pitch against superstars, but i still think there's value here and Ireland were a little unlucky over the last two games. Against Croatia Ireland played poorly but if you study all 3 goals conceded, you'll see they were pretty unlucky. Given was blindsighted for one, the 2nd went in off his head and Ireland should have been awarded a free kick in the build up to another.
0-0, 1-0, 0-1 or 1-1 is how i think this will finish. Lay of Italy is smart bet to trade, hopefully at HT. Against Croatia, Ireland went in 1-2 at the break and against Spain it was just 0-1. They've started poorly in both (given away a goal in opening 3 mins) so i think it's a case of third time lucky tomorrow for Ireland.
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ireland are dominating ITALY! no wonder the price drifted so high, this is insane
loads of italy backers will be crying in the poor room today i feel
thread very quiet - thought people would be all over this
ile be trading out at ht here lads, what about you lot?
Blocked betfair loser I can't handle your **** views anymore
I'm on 3-0 and will only trade out once the score is in
Italy players concentrate more on money laundering and game fixing nowadays. Cosa Nostra!
i love the way mick mcarthy sasys how it hit his shoulder when it cleary was a pen
desperatemunter
will place a 1-0 HT if its 0-0 at 30 mins
Are you psychic?
Well done.
will place a 1-0 HT if its 0-0 at 30 mins
Are you psychic?
Well done.
Glen dopey useless idiot Whelan's stupid cross field ball to nobody.
And then a clearly unfit and badly struggling Shay Given, who should be in the stands in a tracksuit makes a fk up of an easy save and gives away a corner.
Two mistakes from Ireland's worst two performers.
And then a clearly unfit and badly struggling Shay Given, who should be in the stands in a tracksuit makes a fk up of an easy save and gives away a corner.
Two mistakes from Ireland's worst two performers.
Jun 18, 2012 -- 8:10PM, Betfair_Loser wrote:
italy look so bad its unrael
Have you failed to take into consideration that two teams play a game of Football, and that other team happened to be ROI..
early days yet, at the end of the day italys defence looks all over the place. Ireland have already been in a few times
Jun 18, 2012 -- 8:28PM, Betfair_Loser wrote:
early days yet, at the end of the day italys defence looks all over the place. Ireland have already been in a few times
worst bettor here..seriously mate
Given needs retiring. Duff, stop diving. Robbie, pathetic. Glenn Whelan 
i think it is a safe bet to lay croatia as spain wouldnt want to go home at this stage
Jun 18, 2012 -- 8:28PM, Betfair_Loser wrote:
early days yet, at the end of the day italys defence looks all over the place. Ireland have already been in a few times
Have been watching Spain game, but have read the thread you created, and the logic behind Italy drifting slightly indicating such a decision to lay Italy, even though that drift is less than 15ticks? Baffling.
i think ill go for the over 2,5 on italy as the game has the same pattern as spain ireland 1-0 at ht and the another 3
Really poor unforced errors from Ireland costing them again... Italy are there for the taking... Ireland had at least 4 or 5 counter attacking opportunities (3-v-3, 2 v 2) that amounted to nothing or Ireland running it in to the corners... they've also had several free kicks / corners which they're usually a threat from...
It's not over and at 0-1 Ireland will still get chances to level it, that's the hope anyway. I felt they were good enough to get to the break at 0-0 so didn't lay off but reasonably confident Ireland can at least pose a threat 2nd half. If it stays at 1-0, Italy won't be brimming with confidence and we could see some nerves kick in knowing that if they concede they're out.
It's not over and at 0-1 Ireland will still get chances to level it, that's the hope anyway. I felt they were good enough to get to the break at 0-0 so didn't lay off but reasonably confident Ireland can at least pose a threat 2nd half. If it stays at 1-0, Italy won't be brimming with confidence and we could see some nerves kick in knowing that if they concede they're out.
Yes, usually the long post are the most enlightening, thought through and valid posts. 
Instead of posts generically saying to back or lay a team, with no explanation or reasoning why. Read them, you might learn something. Although doubt you will this, as it's over a sentence long. 
Instead of posts generically saying to back or lay a team, with no explanation or reasoning why. Read them, you might learn something. Although doubt you will this, as it's over a sentence long.
is trapper tony going to give some of the reserves a chance
Unless the long post is just extended ramblings from he who shan't be mentioned!
chelleni has gone off, bad news for italy backers. Italy best defender. Hopefully Ireland score soon now
how bad does duff have to play before being subbed ?
there it is, ireland just cut open ITALY. I would advise italy backers to trade the hell out now!
Need to get some of the irish in the book for these tackles
shane long coming on now. Good stuff, about time. TAke DOYLE OFF
long has come on for mcdeay, looks like ireland going for broke here lads. three strikers on the pitch
Ireland all over ITALY at the moment lads, LAY ITALY at 1.15!
if Italay wins 2-0 and croatia draw then which team gets through... both will have same points same goals for and goals against I think
i cant believe how much ireland are dominating the last 20 mins of this match. Its incredible, never knew the IRISH had it in them
Republic of Ireland..........the Stoke City of International Football
really hope croatia scores and italy get punished for their atitude
Betfair_Loser
18 Jun 12 19:44
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right lads, time to lay ITALY! get your bets on quickly
Do you ever make any money??
18 Jun 12 19:44
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right lads, time to lay ITALY! get your bets on quickly
Do you ever make any money??
Really poor from Ireland tonight and very disappointed in them... Italy were there for the taking and have scrapped their way in to the quarter finals. Ireland had virtually no clear cut chances yet got in to some great positions and stretched the Italian defence. Had Keane, Whelan & McGeady been taken off earlier in the match they would have found more joy up front.
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