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mrtopnotch
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Euro 2012: Why is Roy Keane so out of touch with his Ireland roots?

The former national captain is starting to sound as if he has lived in England long enough to qualify for the prawn sandwich brigade of supporters

Gregg Bakowski in Sopot guardian.co.uk, Friday 15 June 2012 14.09 BST

"I think the players and even the supporters, they all have to change their mentality – it's just nonsense from players speaking after the games about how great the supporters are."


You have to be a pretty cold-hearted man to find fault with the Republic of Ireland fans after their lung-busting effort to show that they could emerge victorious in the supporter stakes, if not on the pitch, where the team was pulled apart in a ruthless and, if we're being honest, not particularly unexpected thrashing by the world champions Spain in Gdansk on Thursday. Perhaps the kind of man who could deliberately get a Manchester City rival carried off following a disagreement some years earlier and admit as much in his own autobiography. Or Roy Keane, to be precise.

Keane's criticism of the attitude of supporters who have travelled at great expense while earning nothing but praise from their Polish hosts in Poznan, Gdansk, Sopot and Gdynia is as miserable as it is nonsensical. In fact, it's more akin to the views of the prawn sandwich brigade whom he once lambasted at Old Trafford for their lack of support than it is to your average supporter.

The point is that his view is synonymous with the disconnect between supporters and players in the modern age. That there are still fans out there who are willing to belt out spine-tingling songs in support of a limited and below-average bunch of players, in an age when crowds are fuelled by a consumer expectancy made worse by the wealth gap between those on the pitch and those in the stands, should be lauded.

Those who agree with Keane probably go to very few matches, immerse themselves in cold, calculated tactical analyses and have probably never experienced the thrill of leaving a stadium after a defeat knowing full well that the fans of the team that won left the ground frustrated that their support wasn't a patch on yours.

The Ireland fans who returned to Sopot from Gdansk on Thursday night were still in high spirits despite the defeat. It may be a cliche to say they were loud and enjoyed a drink, but cliches and stereotypes exist because they are largely true. It's frustrating to hear them repeated over and over again but it doesn't mean they're not pertinent, even though many viewers would like a more original soundtrack.

Perhaps Keane has lived in England too long. Perhaps he's forgotten what fun is. Perhaps he should straighten out that scowl and head down to Montecasino in Sopot and loosen up a bit by belting out Fields of Athenry with the fans himself.

Actually, scratch that. He probably wouldn't be welcome
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Report noland2_ • June 15, 2012 3:31 PM BST
he has been hanging around with Mick McCarthy too long - the English cnt Wink
Report 1st time poster • June 15, 2012 3:32 PM BST
maybe keanes point is this,

think about the league team who have similar supporters and get similar acholades to ireland,when you,ve worked it out and seen the state they are currently in you might understand keanes point better, Wink
Report mrtopnotch • June 15, 2012 3:35 PM BST
Keane's point about the team maybe be valid

Keane's comments about the supporters is a disgrace ..."Supporters" are there to hold on ....support!
Would you prefer if the supporters booed and went on a violent riot after the game?

The man (Keane) is a disgrace !
Report Chance • June 15, 2012 3:37 PM BST
Keane is degenerating into little more than a man good for a chippy, cussed, contrary quote. A la his erstwhile ghost-writer Eamon Dunphy.

The irony of his new studio-bound persona (a life-form he's previously been unstinting in his denigraton of) in the wake of his managerial career fizzling out seem lost on the massive tool that he is.
Report 1st time poster • June 15, 2012 3:40 PM BST
no but as well as players you had the top brass on tv today lauding it up because other members of euefa were slapping them on the back for their supporters,remember everyone loves a loser
Report thebunk187 • June 15, 2012 3:40 PM BST
He had a point to be fair. Maybe went overboard but Ireland were a joke and seemed to be content in that. I'm Irish-descent so was gutted at last nights game but the truth is that Itreland were amateur, so bad. Spain didn't even have to work for their goals.

The ITV studio and media at large at patronising ****. 'Oh well the team is **** but they have ace fans!'

And I think thats what pissed Keane off. Not that the fans themselves were decent.
Report spain1nil • June 15, 2012 3:43 PM BST
Keane never had a go at the supporters did he, he bemoaned the players performances and said the fans deserved better.

The fans deserved better than the performances they saw against Croatia and Spain, all Keane was saying is that they might have to show that instead of the stereotypical jolly Irish who don't mind losing.

Interesting to see the Guardian now loves stereotypes, should be an interesting development.
Report mrtopnotch • June 15, 2012 3:44 PM BST
From GOD-
Great post

"Football is not all about winning, the fans expressed an attitude towards life that is rare. This is our characteristic, to enjoy in success or failure, never to despair in times of adversity. It gave an impression to all who watched that the Irish spirit i still one that is to love life, live to fight another day. Keane walked out on his people and now lives in England. He has no perspective on Ireland and the spirit of its people anymore."
Report 1st time poster • June 15, 2012 3:45 PM BST
as plenty of managers will tell you, chairmen and international fa bigwigs dont change managers and effect change,supporters do,maybe not this particular group who  are just out of their depth , but in the past and the future a bit of protest and dissent from the crowd might effect a change in play or personnel
Report mrtopnotch • June 15, 2012 3:47 PM BST
"Football is not all about winning, the fans expressed an attitude towards life that is rare. This is our characteristic, to enjoy in success or failure, never to despair in times of adversity. It gave an impression to all who watched that the Irish spirit i still one that is to love life, live to fight another day. Keane walked out on his people and now lives in England. He has no perspective on Ireland and the spirit of its people anymore."
Report spain1nil • June 15, 2012 3:48 PM BST

Jun 15, 2012 -- 3:40PM, thebunk187 wrote:


He had a point to be fair. Maybe went overboard but Ireland were a joke and seemed to be content in that. I'm Irish-descent so was gutted at last nights game but the truth is that Itreland were amateur, so bad. Spain didn't even have to work for their goals. The ITV studio and media at large at patronising ****. 'Oh well the team is **** but they have ace fans!'And I think thats what pissed Keane off. Not that the fans themselves were decent.


Exactly every one plays to win not take part, it's the patronising green haired, Guinness drinking, leprechaun crap that these media football types perpetrate that will always have Ireland as a joke team.

Report mrtopnotch • June 15, 2012 3:49 PM BST
"Football is not all about winning, the fans expressed an attitude towards life that is rare. This is our characteristic, to enjoy in success or failure, never to despair in times of adversity. It gave an impression to all who watched that the Irish spirit i still one that is to love life, live to fight another day. Keane walked out on his people and now lives in England. He has no perspective on Ireland and the spirit of its people anymore."
Report mrtopnotch • June 15, 2012 3:50 PM BST
They're just real Leprechauns on a night out having the craic, sure will you leave them alone
Report spain1nil • June 15, 2012 3:51 PM BST
"Keane walked out on his people and now lives in England. He has no perspective on Ireland and the spirit of its people anymore."

What a load of ****. 67 caps says he might know a bit about what he's talking about and that it might be worth considering his view point.
Report mrtopnotch • June 15, 2012 4:02 PM BST
He hasn't aclue talking about Irish fans/supporters/nation , he may know something about Footbal.
Not the first time he turned his back on the Irish nation!

A bully who if you stand up to him, has nothing to show for it!
Report Max and Paddy • June 15, 2012 4:49 PM BST
A Guardian "journalist" writes complete and utter rubbish. Has this ever happened before?
Report cooperman • June 16, 2012 11:49 AM BST
Keane is a complete and utter prat and each time he appears on the screen I tippex him out,so I do.
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