I think you are reading too much into it buses and allowing your anti-England bias to muddy the waters of what was actually said. Gerrard was quite right; Sweden aren't anywhere near as good a side as France - surely you don't dispute that? If you think that was disrespectful, then I presume you deplore the quotes attributed to Jonas Thern.

Most people would simply come to the conclusion that Gerrard felt that England were quite justified in being happy with a draw against a side like France but if we are to have any hope of progressing beyond the group stage, probably will need to beat either Sweden or Ukraine. Don't see much controversial about that.

im not anti england, i like england, i have the banter on here when they lose like the op of this thread and i dont take it personally but this is me making a serious point now. if u dont win tomo they will be excuses, wait and see.

i don't know anyone that makes excuse's when england lose i do the opposite, and slag them off, like at the world cup it was a disgrace. Rooney should not have started one game he was playing worse than robbie keane normally does

alwaysswiming2000,

probably over-reacting,  but jokes about the famine in Ireland are not funny. They were real people who starved to death; and the truth of the matter (as Tony Blair acknowledged and apoligised for) was that there was NO endemic shortage of food in Ireland. ENGLAND was more dependent on the potato than Ireland. But thousands of soldiers were barracked in Ireland to guard food supplies of meat, fruit, wheat, dairy products etc which were to be taken out of the country to feed the British population and British armies in the field.

It does explain residual Irish dislike or distrust of the English, but in general most try not to dwell on it and have a deep-rooted desire to have good relations with our neighbours (who sometimes have a slight resentment for us not wanting to be British - but why, we just aren't).

Except the Irish are welcome in nearly every country in the world while the brits are hated by everyone and rightly so.

Except the Irish are welcome in nearly every country in the world while the brits are hated by everyone and rightly so.
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You say the Irish are welcome in "nearly" every country. What are the exceptions, and why?

As for "Brits" being hated by everyone, try asking any of the populations liberated by British forces in 1944-45, in particular the poor wretches incarcerated in places like Belsen-Belsen.

As it happens, I'm a Scot who favours separation, but comments like the above, born of ignorance and prejudice, do no justice to the truth.

ilikewavingatbuses 15 Jun 12 00:21 
sweden arent sh!t ffs. had any ofthose frankly sitters fallen to ibra the other night he'd have buried them.

england might break their duck against sweden tomo but to come out with 'they arent france' comments is quite unbelieveable.





One of those sitters did fall to ibra and he headed it against the post and wide, the sort of chance he scores every week in Italy.

We broke our duck against Sweden 6 months ago, beat them 1-0. Only a friendly but that has far more relevance than any of the competitive games, when the most recent was 6 years ago and most of the others were back in the 80s-90s.

And why is saying they're not as good as France so "unbelievable". If you asked 100 people who was the better footballing nation, i'm pretty sure most (if not all) would say France

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Except the Irish are welcome in nearly every country in the world while the brits are hated by everyone and rightly so.

pathetic boy you are the sole reason for making it more than football banter. So much hate there

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He is one of the reasons alright though not the "sole reason"......and you in fact are one of the contributory reasons for this trail of ignorant and witless rubbish; unrepresentative of 90% plus of English and Irish folk. (Look at your own contributions, not much to be proud of there)

I have apologised for my famine jokes they were uncalled for, all my thread's are banter nothing about history or anything, just pure football.
An i still only make the silly Irish thread because of the all lets back who england are playing every time they play.