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3/1 joint favs on Germany must be one of the most ridiculous prices of the year. Quite what the side has done to warrant being 3's favs alongside the reigning World and European champions is beyond me. The WC runners up are more than double their price and have arguably more talented players. A lot of Germany's players have had tough seasons also and may be spent at this stage.
Everyone seems to be tipping them, or backing them. They are seen as the 'clever' bet, as people don't want to be obvious in picking Spain. Do people realise that when tipping up Germany they are not tipping some dark horse, they are actually practically tipping the favourite? I understand people often latch onto a fashionable alternative, but this has got out of hand.
They are a good young side and may well go onto win. But their proper price is 5/1 or 11/2, not 3's. Can't understand how anyone can take them at that price
Everyone seems to be tipping them, or backing them. They are seen as the 'clever' bet, as people don't want to be obvious in picking Spain. Do people realise that when tipping up Germany they are not tipping some dark horse, they are actually practically tipping the favourite? I understand people often latch onto a fashionable alternative, but this has got out of hand.
They are a good young side and may well go onto win. But their proper price is 5/1 or 11/2, not 3's. Can't understand how anyone can take them at that price
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never write off ze germans but their current price is less value than englands, indeed i might prefer snapping up greek debt rather than putting money on germany
Boateng - looked hopeless at City
Mertesacker - turns about as quick as a cross channel ferry
Schweinsteiger - been carrying an injury for most of the season and hasn't played in their recent friendlies
Muller - scored in the CL final but has been out of form since xmas
Gomez - needs at least 5 chances to score
Probably still make the final though!!
Mertesacker - turns about as quick as a cross channel ferry
Schweinsteiger - been carrying an injury for most of the season and hasn't played in their recent friendlies
Muller - scored in the CL final but has been out of form since xmas
Gomez - needs at least 5 chances to score
Probably still make the final though!!
Mertesacker won't start. Hommels and Badstuber will.
Lahm - best full back in the world.
Ozil - one of the world's top creative midfielders.
Podolski & Klose - proven tournament performers.
Neuer - arguably world's best keeper right now.
Schweinsteiger & Khederia - great defensive midfield partnership.
I agree that 3/1 isn't value but I have them down as winners all day long.
Lahm - best full back in the world.
Ozil - one of the world's top creative midfielders.
Podolski & Klose - proven tournament performers.
Neuer - arguably world's best keeper right now.
Schweinsteiger & Khederia - great defensive midfield partnership.
I agree that 3/1 isn't value but I have them down as winners all day long.
Interestingly enough the sound judges have this German squad down as the best in decades. Have a look at the squad from the last world cup and see how much better it is.
They are very good, but can't see how they are on the same level as Spain or how they are much better than Holland
...and I've not even mentioned the young players like Gotze, Kroos, Reus and Schuerrle. This squad has serious depth.
The thing about the germans is that you just know they'll grind out results even if they don't perform. They'll make it in to the knock out stages for sure and at that stage it's all about calm heads and patience...
They may not be able to out-play a Holland or Spain for example but they could easily take anyone to extra time and penalties so if they make it beyond the group stages, you're gonna be sweating big time if you've layed them from the start.
I'd have them level with Holland myself as 2nd favs behind Spain but you're right... they are pretty hyped. Would still take a brave man to lay them at 4.4 though...
They may not be able to out-play a Holland or Spain for example but they could easily take anyone to extra time and penalties so if they make it beyond the group stages, you're gonna be sweating big time if you've layed them from the start.
I'd have them level with Holland myself as 2nd favs behind Spain but you're right... they are pretty hyped. Would still take a brave man to lay them at 4.4 though...
I will be bumping this thread after the mighty germans win the euros
This is the most gifted Germany side since 1996 but also with the weakest winning mentality.
They do not have enough confidence and winning mentality to play in big matches.
They do not have enough confidence and winning mentality to play in big matches.
I wish everyone who thinks Gomez is shyte would put their money where their mouths are and get laying him for top scorer. I've got thousands tied up on him and I want to back back at 14/1+
HorseRacingExpert
06 Jun 12 00:24 Joined: 20 May 12 | Topic/replies: 545 | Blogger: HorseRacingExpert's blog
I will be bumping this thread after the mighty germans win the euros
I fully agree that this could well happen. They have a chance, but that doesnt stop the 3/1 or 4.4 being ridiculously bad value. You could get Spain at 10/3 at the weekend, which made Germany Favs. That's just wrong. Germany could well win, but they should be 11/2 and i'll be saying the same even if they run out winners.
Plenty of people like Germany this year, but if they are disciplined they'll acknowledge that they simply aren't a punting proposition at 3's
06 Jun 12 00:24 Joined: 20 May 12 | Topic/replies: 545 | Blogger: HorseRacingExpert's blog
I will be bumping this thread after the mighty germans win the euros
I fully agree that this could well happen. They have a chance, but that doesnt stop the 3/1 or 4.4 being ridiculously bad value. You could get Spain at 10/3 at the weekend, which made Germany Favs. That's just wrong. Germany could well win, but they should be 11/2 and i'll be saying the same even if they run out winners.
Plenty of people like Germany this year, but if they are disciplined they'll acknowledge that they simply aren't a punting proposition at 3's
I agree that 10/3 isn't great value, i prefer Holland at 7/1. But 11/2 is a poorhouse price.
They are very good, but can't see how they are on the same level as Spain or how they are much better than Holland
spain without puyol and villa, xavi carrying a knock, and they don't look as cohesive as they did in 2010
germany should be favs
THAT IS ALL.
spain without puyol and villa, xavi carrying a knock, and they don't look as cohesive as they did in 2010
germany should be favs
THAT IS ALL.
Agree with OP, their subs bench is more talented than their starting 11.
pfffffffffft, get on spain, no worries on this one SAFE BET
anyone who thinks Holland are more talented than Germany hasn't been doing their homework.
I suppose they must be feeling confident as they haven't 'Aryanized' as many Poles etc in the last couple of years as they were doing a while ago
david silva is a great player
but spain are worse with him imo
infact i wouldn't be surprised if they struggle to make it out of the group
but spain are worse with him imo
infact i wouldn't be surprised if they struggle to make it out of the group
tobermory
06 Jun 12 01:24
I suppose they must be feeling confident as they haven't 'Aryanized' as many Poles etc in the last couple of years as they were doing a while ago
I did have you down as one of the more knowledgeable posters on here, but you have shown your ignorance there. Both Klose and Podolski are from Silesia and everyone with a modicum of education knows about the history of this region.
06 Jun 12 01:24
I suppose they must be feeling confident as they haven't 'Aryanized' as many Poles etc in the last couple of years as they were doing a while ago
I did have you down as one of the more knowledgeable posters on here, but you have shown your ignorance there. Both Klose and Podolski are from Silesia and everyone with a modicum of education knows about the history of this region.
My advice - Insider:
I am german and i think that spain will be kicked by netherlands in half final.
The other half final will be france/italy and germany. I think final will be netherlands against france or germany.
One of the biggest cracking bets is Marco Reus topscorer 2012.
odds 210 !!! He will play as second striker with Klose.
Gomez is done and will not have much playtime - dont bet on him.
Reus is a great technical player and shoot many goals this season. he was the shooting star.
Chelsea wanted him to sign a contract, bayern munich too, but he signed in Dortmund for next season.
He could become the same important player as Müller was - World Cup 2010.
Coach Löw thrust in him too.
Thats me advices to you. You dont have to bet on it, but i will help you.
I am german and i think that spain will be kicked by netherlands in half final.
The other half final will be france/italy and germany. I think final will be netherlands against france or germany.
One of the biggest cracking bets is Marco Reus topscorer 2012.
odds 210 !!! He will play as second striker with Klose.
Gomez is done and will not have much playtime - dont bet on him.
Reus is a great technical player and shoot many goals this season. he was the shooting star.
Chelsea wanted him to sign a contract, bayern munich too, but he signed in Dortmund for next season.
He could become the same important player as Müller was - World Cup 2010.
Coach Löw thrust in him too.
Thats me advices to you. You dont have to bet on it, but i will help you.
only a couple of spanish players would get into germanys team,(villa and puyol maybe but they are out).
thats why germany will win.
the only downside for germany backers,is if that usless lanky streak of piss starts
thats why germany will win.
the only downside for germany backers,is if that usless lanky streak of piss starts
only a couple of spanish players would get into germanys team,(villa and puyol maybe but they are out).
Most stupid statement i have ever read on the betfair forum. Xavi/Iniesta would make and team. Both would be in a world eleven you muppet.
Most stupid statement i have ever read on the betfair forum. Xavi/Iniesta would make and team. Both would be in a world eleven you muppet.
they will be the biggest mug punt of the year in the final
Just saw this
I am a huge mug, backing them @4.7
What was I thinking
I am a huge mug, backing them @4.7
What was I thinking
*Thread added to Favourites for when Germany muller the italians tonight.
agree with the op, germany have been terrible value for this tournament. i wouldn't bet on them with stolen money.
The OP is back and no Timeform, my head is not in my hands! I suppose you'll all tell me you traded out now? I can say I definitely didn't trade out of my 4.5 lay.
They got lucky in the group, should have been neaten by an off colour Portugal and the Dutch were a shambles. Luck plays no part tonight and they get well beaten by a good side at best.
They got lucky in the group, should have been neaten by an off colour Portugal and the Dutch were a shambles. Luck plays no part tonight and they get well beaten by a good side at best.
And yes Mrfishfingers, you are a mug. Even if they won the tournament, u'd still be a mug with that bet.
Traded out for massive green shaund10 if that is your real name.
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