For all you Spanish fanboys who say the Premier League is over-rated

To be fair, those Russian offers are a bit wacky.  Not many would want to waste their careers there.

i agree with that point, what i am saying is this. the cosmopolitan/epl is only popular because of the foreign imports. not the english home grown talent/

Spain, have South America and that's pretty much it.

And all those countries are bankrupt.

i agree with that point, what i am saying is this. the cosmopolitan/epl is only popular because of the foreign imports. not the english home grown talent/

Agreed.  It attracts the very best talent from all over the world.

The Classico is the most watched domestic club game in world football.

The EPL has an advantage in Asia for viewing figures but not everywhere else

..European clubs have better youth policies, hence so many foreign players end up in the EPL, nothing to do with English style etc

We don't really produce world class players in the UK these days. I don't know why but we cant deny it, our players aren't that great.

Mr angry
Only cos of the wages, take that away and the epl would be worse than the scottish league.

We have decent defenders and good solid hard working players, but not much flair unfortunately.

Think of this, take all the foreign players from the epl and what would you have ??

highlander if you want to know why the UK doesnt produce world class players just read back through your posts as to your preference of football style.

A lot of people in the UK think that way.

That will tell you everything you need to know.

highlander if you want to know why the UK doesnt produce world class players just read back through your posts as to your preference of football style.

A lot of people in the UK think that way.

That will tell you everything you need to know.

But none of that changes the fact that the EPL is the biggest and best league in the world by far.

Take sky from the cosmopolitan/premier and what do you have ??

Best league by far?

Nothing at all points to that these days.

Would have been a fair shout 4/5 years ago, but not now.

Youth development in the UK is now the best in the world.

Mr angry
how do you work that out ??

MR a

very few English players in top leagues of the world , nonsense

Not true jamdav, we have produced Dalglish, Best, Brady, Gascoigne, in the past. It's not the style of play, it's the style of coaching that's gone wrong.

EPL is the best league in the world and has 30% English players.

why do people call it the epl, is it because it is played in england ??

Highlander coaching is influenced by the style of play that you mentioned earlier that you like - physical, fast, raking passes etc.

You've been brainwashed into believing that tippy-tappy football is the "best" way to play football.

It's not.  Scoring more goals than your opponents is the best way to play football, as Real Madrid proved last night.

tippy tappy football breeds success

We have played that way for a hundred years jamdav and still produced highly skilled players. There must be something wrong with modern coaching in this country. We need to mix it up with athletic players and highly skilled players. As it stand we have to import the flair players.

'tippy-tappy' football has won three 13 trophies out of 16 for Barcelona and the last two major tournaments for the Spain national team.

Surely a bit stupid to try and make a point of it not being the best way to play.

starts with parents demanding 'winning' football at an early age and the game has declined from then on.
Ends with us thinking that the English game is superior, spoilt foreign players, World cups, and EU championships remind us of what we have done.

Mr Angry
Highlander


Known fishermen


Get a room lads 

Gazza and Best true professionals and of course won all those world cups

starts with parents demanding 'winning' football at an early age and the game has declined from then on

Coaching in this country has moved way way beyond that.  That was true 15 years ago, but the new crop of players coming through will prove to be world class.  They have to be.  To stand any chance in the EPL they have to be of a very high standard.

not even getting into there club teams!

'tippy-tappy' football has won three 13 trophies out of 16 for Barcelona and the last two major tournaments for the Spain national team.

But now they've been found out.

Its like whats going to happen when redknapp gets the england job. It will all end up in tears. You can not make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

take all the foreign players from the epl and what would you have ??

Take all the steroids out of Messi and what would you have?

Mr angry
you are on the defensive, i wonder why ?

you are on the defensive, i wonder why ?

I'm just copying Real Madrid last night.  Pack out the defence, don't commit to any tackles.  Show them around the outside to a crossing position because you know the cross won't come (no height).  Then use power and strength to brush the short players aside.

sry, you have lost me. You keep refering to the one game. ??

The Spanish national side don't play the same way as Barcelona - I don't mind watching Spain too much.

high_lander
They do, they pass it about. Its called football

What were Italy playing when they won the world cup?

No one was playing the passing game at that time.

Nevrusechatrooms, Gazza's England were a penalty shoot out away from a World cup final, and Best played for Northern Ireland who didn't have the quality to qualify for major tournaments.

if only he could have stayed sober

All teams in the EPL pass the ball about, they just have a more expansive and less one-dimensional game than your typical Spanish side.

Mr angry
you must have been really , really, seething, and seething , and seething deep inside about barca,s tippy tappy successful football. And now they have lost two games on the bounce you seize your chance to slag it and say its on the decline, but i think your joy will be short lived.

Havent bothered reading this thread,shows how far downhill this forum has gone when the same boring shoite continually attracts 200 odd replies ffs,

you must have been really , really, seething, and seething , and seething deep inside about barca,s tippy tappy successful football

No, not really.

I just thought I would point out some facts to the Spanish fanboys.  Sorry if it upsets you.

Spanish league is a ******* joke league.

Week in week out the big 2 @ 1.02 to win before a ball is bl00dy kicked, overs @ 1.08, all the decisions go their way anyway just in case it looks like their prancing diving primadonna t*****rs won't manage to knock one past some poor "other team" sod who is mostly trying just not to get a red card for doing ***k all, and whose entire salary wouldn't cover Ronaldo's manicure bill.

thought that was man united?

bye

3rd placed side in La Liga are Valencia, they are 29 points behind Barca in 2nd and 38 points behind RM in 1st = joke league.

*36 points behind RM

Hardly a joke league highlander.

Far better standard of players throughout La Liga than in the EPL.

La Liga probably has 7/8 of the top ten players in the world and has won more european trophies than the EPL in the last ten years.

Not competitive Jam - not competitive.

No league in world would be competitive with those two in it.

What happens when they both get KO'd from the CL this week jam?

Dont get your point.

Anything can happen in knock out competitions but put these two in any league and they will run away with it.

Surely it means Chelsea are a better side than Barcelona and Bayern Munich are a better side than RM.

put these two in any league and they will run away with it.

Jeez - you really are a Spanish fanboy!

They would wipe the floor in any other league if you swap them with the top two teams.

No doubt about it.

put these two in any league and they will run away with it.

so why dont madrid regularly compete in theC/L final they havent done so for years,in that time the pl have probably had more finalists than any other league.

Madrid got knocked out of the CL last season by Barcelona and could easily get to the final this time.

The Madrid team of 4/5 years ago is nothing like this side, so that is irrelevant.

If we are using the CL as a reference for how strong the top two sides in other leagues are then the EPL is far worse.

The ranking at the end of the 2011–12 season determines the allocation in 2012–13 competitions. The rankings are as follows:[6]
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3     3     Disc Plain yellow dark.svg —     Germany Germany     13.500     12.687     18.083     15.666     14.916     74.852     1/6
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Barry do you think those rankings are correct and it proves it is the EPL is the strongest?

Ranieri is a proven top class manager who has won trophies at every club he has been at and never failed anywhere, so this gives his statement even more credence in my eyes.

well i dont want facts to get in the way but points are awarded to each country based on their teams performances in the C/l.

The club coefficient is determined by the results of a club in European club competition in the last five seasons, and the league coefficient. The club coefficient is 20% of the league coefficient plus the number of points earned by the club in the five seasons. The points earned by a club in the preliminary rounds are not counted.

No I agree with that Barry, but surely you realise that La Liga is guaranteed to be the top ranked country from next season.

So if you accept these rankings then La Liga will be officially recognised as best in europe soon enough.

so by being top in 2 seasons out of six that makes it a better league.
basically la liga is top because of mainly one team while the p/l teams have contested numerous finals ,i think chelsea have been in about 4 semi finals in recent years.And all 4 p/l teams have been in the last 8 on many occasions.
could you point out the performances of the other 3 of the big four in spain.

Barry you are living in the past. You are going back 4/5 years to a time when Liverpool were a stronger side than Real Madrid!

We are talking here and now and like it or not La Liga will be the top ranked league in europe next year.

You are using the argument as if leagues strength should be based on how strong the 3/4th placed teams are.

Claudio Ranieri: "the Premier League is the strongest."

That's enough for me.

Good for you Mr Angry.

Easily pleased.

barrycool
question- why do you think the cosmopolitan/premier league is the best and strongest in the world.

You are using the argument as if leagues strength should be based on how strong the 3/4th placed teams are.

am i missing something,to test the strength of anything it must be judged over a period of time,as for living in the past i hardly call looking over the past 5 years results living in the past.
I could argue based on recent results chelsea are better than barca or is that living in the past.

The proof will be in the pudding at the football olympics, the english will be english, and the spanish will be spanish and the germans be germans  , etc . now lets see who comes up top and it won`t be the english.

barrycool
question- why do you think the cosmopolitan/premier league is the best and strongest in the world.


by using each countrys performance in the premier european competion we can assertain which countrys teams performed strongest  in that competition and over the last 5/6 years that country was england.
much the same way spain are the top ranked country in the world
using the same method,or maybe you dispute that.

never let facts get in the way of a good argument.

I think the premier league is the most exciting league but as for whether it's the 'best' league it depends on what you look for.

The 2 best teams in the world and most of the best players in the world play in la liga, so that in itself gives it a decent claim to be the best.

he proof will be in the pudding at the football olympics, the english will be english, and the spanish will be spanish and the germans be germans  , etc . now lets see who comes up top and it won`t be the english.

spot the deliberate mistake.

Barry you pointed out the uefa rankings as proof the EPL is better but as soon as I pointed out La Liga would be top next year you said well thats all based on one team.

English teams have not dominated the semi final stages for three seasons now. There is only so long that can be put up as an argument for he EPL being the strongest league.

Barry who do you think are the top players outside of the top six sides in the EPL?

barrycool
take a look at your mistake. There is a `t` in the

Ooops ,delete english and insert `british`

lol

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Mr angry
you must have been really , really, seething, and seething , and seething deep inside about barca,s tippy tappy successful football. And now they have lost two games on the bounce you seize your chance to slag it and say its on the decline, but i think your joy will be short lived.

LOL was waiting on you ttting this.

I feel your pleasure :)

(that's not a euphemism btw)

I don't like putting the knife in.

Okay, I do.

We will see where the club that wins it is from.

Barcelona only got themselves to blame for not winning that.

So superior to Chelsea over the two legs but couldnt take their chances.

Seething, can't wait to hear Graham 'Barca-brown-nose' Hunter later on!!!!!!

Bayern Munich will be joining Chelsea in the final jam.

both Real and Bayern will be creaming themselves at the thought of Chelsea in the final.

The problem chelsea now have in the final, is that they will need to come out and try and play football, and that will be there downfall.

Get right up there :)

Not too impressed with Bayern looked out on their feet at 75mins don,t know what happened to Real maybe scored twice too early,Schweinsteiger/Kroos/Barnstuber not very good at this rarified level Lahm not too good in either game so Chelsea must have a very good chance but home advantage a big hurdle.

Bayern were the better team over the two legs, particularly in the 2nd game....

The Europa is where it is at. The Champions League seriously undermined by 2 average teams qualifying for the final.

Bayern ar'nt average, Chelsea certianly are.

Claudio knows.

Hello
The lurker has surfaced.

Defeat is difficult to accept, I know.  Losing your dignity is even worse.