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Alan Davies (Jonathan Creek/ QI) has upset Liverpool FC
Alan Davies (Jonathan Creek/ QI) has upset Liverpool FC
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I'll apologise first for any offence I could cause, but I really don't see how any of this is consolation to a Chelsea fan who - although we get to watch our team take on Tottenham then Barcelona then Arsenal then Barcelona again all within 10 days - could well end up getting knocked out of the FA Cup, the Champions league and losing any hope of finishing 4th all in 2 weeks.
Also if a kid can get arrested and sentenced to jail for racist tweets about Muamba then why are the police not getting involved when people are tweeting death threats? Surely that is far worse... |
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loadedgimp: Police may well get involved. If you do see any death threats then screen cap, note them and report to their local police.
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viva el presidente!
anyone know if bradford play on the 11th may, btw? Yeah, we do. Minute's silence pre kick off, family of the victims there to lead the tribute and away we go. It's a sad occasion in the sense that it brings back bad memories for the people that were there, but it's not viewed as a reason to postpone matches scheduled for that date. loadedgimp I'll apologise first for any offence I could cause, but I really don't see how any of this is consolation to a Chelsea fan who - although we get to watch our team take on Tottenham then Barcelona then Arsenal then Barcelona again all within 10 days - could well end up getting knocked out of the FA Cup, the Champions league and losing any hope of finishing 4th all in 2 weeks. Odd to apologise for causing offence; why say it if you think it's offensive? I suppose Chelsea fans could find some form of consolation in the fact that their worries are only about football, a game that's fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of things, especially when compared to nearly 100 people dying. |
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I do think Chelsea have a right to be pissed off but it should be aimed at the FA
6pm sunday is ridiculous kick off The FA could have had Chelsea spurs play at the Emirates saturday but the FA lose cash The FA could have had liverpool everton play old trafford but the FA lose cash The FA could have had chelsea play at 12pm sunday but feared it would clash with other tv games TV and money dictates when games get played 99.9% of the time The other 0.1% happens to be things like Hillsborough anniversary, or Bolton postponing a game due to Muamba falling ill. I'd say the 0.1% are understandable and acceptable, and the thing to be annoyed at is the 99.9% that says, money and tv is everything, fans are nothing. |
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rob_the_bantam: If people find something you say offensive (and you don't think it should be), then it's usual to "apologise for the offense caused." (Rather than apologise for the remark!)
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In this case he apologised for being insensitive, so he actually does take some responsibility himself and understands he was insensitive. But is that really a sacking offense?
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Plenty of people missing the point here, including Davies.
There is a Hillsborough memorial service every year in Liverpool (I think it is in one of the cathedrals). It is normally attended by players, ex-players staff etc from the club. Obviously an FA Cup semi final interferes with this. It is not unreasonable to not want to play on a day that clashes with this imo. And I'm not a Liverpool fan btw. |
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The mans apologised, I didnt know there was a memorial on that weekend attended by players etc, he probably didnt,and its not just a football match, almost 100 died and if thats how the Liverpool fans and players see fit in remembering it so be it, he has made a gesture of a donation to the Hillsborough cause, let it go and move on. It is still raw and will be for many years for Liverpool and its supporters, I am sure if Bradford chose to remember their own tragedy in a similar way then football fans would understand. They choose not to, that is also their right.
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I seem to remember a former Liverpool manager expressing his opinion on matters concerning football, life and death and his opinion was that football was more important. Tragedy and misfortune are part of life, and in everyday life people get back up and get on with it. Grieve in private, not in public, and don't make others suffer for your personal misfortune. As for Alan Davies he is a comedian, an individual, entitled to an opinion. An opinion that rates no more highly or lowly than any other opinion on the matter. Sack him? Ridiculous idea. We will be voting to bring in the "Thought Police" next.
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Benito Mussolini's wife's birthday on the 10th, any teams playing football today are CLEARLY fascists!
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today is the 10 year anniversary of the Ghriba synagogue bombing, anyone participating in football related activities should be reported to the authorities as a terrorist / anti-semite.
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"It is not unreasonable to not want to play on a day that clashes with this imo."
You're wrong in my opinion. A football game takes 2 hours, a day is 10-12 hours long at least. What liverpool is saying is we want to appear to be this, that and the other, but we'll be fecked if we will sacrifice the slightest chance of winning a football game, bonuses, trophies, medals etc. how about attending services for 4 hours in the morning, actually sacrificing some prep time, then showing up and maybe losing just because you see humanity more important than football? not fecking likely. |
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and marxist-leninist, i know you'll support us in stamping out this nonsensical mumbo jumbo opium for the people numerology bs by this cultish minority.
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and it was an unfortunate accident that killed 100 people, it's not like it was millions of people who were deliberately killed in specially designed camps and other methods by, er, marxist-leninists, is it?
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Our freedom of speech is being replaced by lynch mob censorship
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polyblot,
maybe you'll explain how players, staff and fans are supposed to be at a memorial service in Liverpool cathedral and a Wembley FA Cup Semi Final at the same time? |
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I was in The Leppings Lane that day, & if Alan Davies, or any of you lot on here had experienced what I did, believe me, you'd not be too keen about playing a football match on that date.
It may have been 23 years since the tragedy. But as far as I, & many others like me are concerned, the memory is still as fresh as if it was yesterday. We're not asking the whole of football to come to a standstill on the 15th of April every year. We just want the time to remember those who died. Not much to ask for is it ? Seeing the bodies of young men, women, & children strewn across a football pitch is not something that leaves your memory very quickly. But with the modern football stadia, & a big improvement in the safety aspects of football matches. Thankfully, a tragedy like Hillsborough should never happen again. |
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That doesn't mean that Alan Davies should have to apologise for his opinion or entitle people to threaten him for expressing it.
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I think it's absolutely right that Liverpool's wish not to play on the date is respected. Surely that's not too much to ask.
The problem arises because of the FA and TV demands. Both games should be played on the Saturday lunchtime and tea time at neutral venues in the North West and London (not Wembley). I do wonder whether UEFA would move the fixture however if it were a champions league semi that fell on that date. As for Alan Davies, he's expressed an opinion. This all. Some will agree, most won't, but he hardly deserves to be hung, drawn and quartered. |
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I'm not bothered one way or another if Davies apologises or not. I'm simply stating that if he, or anyone else holding a similar viewpoint, had been there that day, then I pretty confident they'd hold a totally different opinion. So at best, their opinions are worthless because they don't speak with any authority on the matter. & at the very worse, they are crass & insensitive.
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I'm not too sure VS. I never lost anyone that day, nor do I know anyone that died. But the 15th of April is a day I just want over, & the 16th can't come quick enough. We're all different I suppose. For some, like yourself, you'd see it as a tribute. Me personally, I'd rather we played any other day but that one.
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He definitely should be sacked of whatever he does now mostly because he is a w@n£er and a boring bastud.
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One thing is for sure, the death threats to Davies and his family on twitter over the last day are far more disrespectful to the memory of Hillsborough than anything he suggested. Hillsborough for football fans has become like Immigration to politics - you can't express a view without immediately being pounced on with vicious accusations
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Liverpool are a professional victim club.
Where do you draw the line in playing on disaster days? Everybody has personal disasters. Get over it Liverpool,play on the date,minutes silence to show respect,everybodys happy. |
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or alternatively, you could send death threats to someone who might have a different perspective on it to yourself, that would help gain sympathy and let the world know exactly what kind of 'respectful' fans you have.
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so, do liverpool play on the anniversary of heysel or not? would be strange double standards if they do.
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Heysel anniversary tends to fall after the season has finished. I know in Liverpool's case this could be February, but the date is 29th May so very seldom a match to be played.
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fair point mate. takes the decision out of their hands if it is after the end of the season. probably for the best really.
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Given their decision making ability this season anything taken out of their hands has got to be a good thing.
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You can back down now fallen, nowt to see here.....
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"The HJC has not accepted the £1000 paid into it's paypal account by Alan Davies. Whilst we accept his apology, we would prefer that he genuinely tried to understand why the decision never to play on the anniversary of the Hillsborough Disaster is so important."
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Refusing financial assistance for their justice campaign purely so they can stay in a huff for a bit longer. Truly pathetic and ungracious, but what else would you expect from them...
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name another team that says when it will or will not play
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if they are due to play on the 15th they should play or forfeit. they could hold a memorial service any day and the same day if they were playing anywhere in the uk or most places in europe (it's not as if there's an exact number of days in the year on average). anniversaries are of no genuine significance, just like birthdays. just another excuse to wallow in the past. some people may appreciate such opportunities but in the event of a clash they ought to prioritise rather than dictating to everyone else.
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if there are relatives of victims who choose to not watch football on the anniversary then that is their choice and i would respect that, but they shouldnt decide to enforce this day of non-football on everyone else who might choose to remember hillsborough in a more conventional manner.
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Seems to me that a football match, especially against everton, would be the perfect place to have the memorial service
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Anyone want any tickets for Alan Davies at the Liverpool Empire on 23rd September. Should be an interesting night.
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