Alan Davies (Jonathan Creek/ QI) has upset Liverpool FC

does anyone else occasionally wonder who ukmalllia actually supports?

I'm thinking everton.

Why should the BBC have a culture of sacking anyone who speaks their opinion? We'll end up with the BBC only hiring boring faceless presenters. Heck he's not even really been that offensive.

When will Liverpool fans stop feeling sorry for themselves.

Sacked, UKlabia. Frankie Boyle's said ten times worse.

Anyone who said what he said deserves the sack, period.

hope someone knocks the fat,smug,unfunny c u nt out

I can't stand him, but I do think he has a point. Albeit he's gone about it in a cackhanded way.

Brilliant Davies, you've just given the professional victims another chip for their shoulder..

HE SHOULD SACKED FOR BEING A 'COMEDIAN' WHO ISN'T FUNNY - THIS COULD BE A CONVENIENT EXCUSE

THOUGH JUDGING BY THE COMEDY SHIITE ON THE BBC NOWADAYS THERE WOULD NO ONE LEFT

it's perfectly right that liverpool should be allowed to remember what went on at hillsbrough.

but sureley that is a "day" it happened on semi-final weekend, and every FOOTBALL SUPPORTER who was of an age that they could realise what was going on was effected by those events.

we now find ourselves in a situation where the fa feel obliged to accomodate one club on compassionate grounds, but deny an other club who need a break on solely football grounds and it does beg the question what is their main intersest.

of course there are some that take the view that it is foolish to programme the semi finals on the same weekend that liverpool might not want to play because of the hillsbrough anniversary,and the four clubs who are competing in the champions league might have engagements in that competitions

but it would appear that they aint really bothered.

i will pose one question

should liverpool ever qualify for the champions league again, and their semi final should fall on that date,

what do you think would happen?

dey do dough don't dey dough?

Ok, he has apologised on Twitter and also some has suggested he donate a £1000 to the HC, Tony Bowden - Glos ‏ @smartcommsglos


Some suggestted to him = @alandavies1 but I do believe you meant no disrespect to the 96 - Maybe a little sensitivity required - and a £1000 donation to the cause?

AD responded to that post with  @smartcommsglos good idea, I will make that donation now. It is a good cause and I do support it, despite what some people are saying.

Also AD posted this

I can't reply to all the tweets on this subject, only reiterate my support for the Justice For 96 campaign & apologise for being insensitive

...
http://twitter.com/#!/alandavies1

The lad realises his error now in fairness.

should liverpool ever qualify for the champions league again, and their semi final should fall on that date,


it's an interesting question and all, but we all know that will never happen

Mex, that has happened in recent years and UEFA moved it at our request.

I think he was being a bit dumb, rather than malicious and callous.

Perhaps he doesnt know that Liverpool have a memorial service on that date, hence why they prefer not to play

He was stupid but doesnt deserve some of the abuse on twitter he's had, people wishing him dead because he disrespected people who died, have some sort of screw loose. Honestly the out cry is a farce, he asked a question, albeit naively / stupidly.

As an aside, I know a few Liverpool fans who shout boycott the Sun, but happily pay sky money and dont know who Kelvin MacKenzie is.
I'm not saying read the sun, its ****, fine. But any apology from the Sun would now be hollow and pointless, as the idiots who wrote the lies have all since moved on. And boycotting the sun, but giving sky £50 a month, hardly hurts murdoch. So its a symbolic gesture nothing more.

But really, all he asked was why not play on that date, he didnt disrespect the victims of the tragedy, he just raised a question. Not a hanging offence tbh.

Apr 9, 2012 -- 11:43PM, mexicano wrote:

i will pose one questionshould liverpool ever qualify for the champions league again, and their semi final should fall on that date,what do you think would happen?

The 2nd leg of the 2009 Semi v Chelsea (4-4 game) was for Apr 14/15 .I recall at the time they said would not play the 15th .It was played 14th.Can't remember if it just came out that way of if UEFA sorted it for them

Wow, reading the blokes twitter he must have had a good few thousdans "messages" tonight posted on his wall. Some people not going the right way about voicing their dissaproval of his comments though however.

right

so they move it at lpools request
compassionate grounds[and i get all that]

but we are then in a situation that our own fa are absolutely steadfast that they wont give a team the slightest concession on footballl grounds.
this is where i'm with this goonie geezer.

i know it was a desperatly sad thing, but we have to move on, we can't be hostages to the past.
we remember the dead.

but the people who died were football fans.

AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO REMEMBER OUR MATES WHO WERE FOOTBALL FANS THAN AT A FOOTBALL MATCH?

i'm a member of football clubs, a golf club, and a cricket club.

and how do we remember the departed???????????

by playing games, that's how,

I'm astounded that people think a request from Liverpool not to play an FA Cup Semi Final on April 15 is unreasonable.

Let me out it to you like this.

My Grandad lost his beloved 16 year old sister Doris and many of his close friends in the 1943 Bethnal Green tube disaster. The date was 3rd March 1943.

When my grandad left the navy, he became a milkman. What do you think the Dairy would have said if he refused to work on every anniversary of that date because a family member was killed in this disaster? They would have had told him to get on his bike, or float if you will.

Normal people are made to work on tragic anniversaries in their lives, what's different about football players?

Liverpool 'fans' from Kuwait, Wales, America, all telling him he's going to die soon for disrespecting the dead, and warning him he'll get whats coming.

Honestly, I do worry for the proper Liverpool fans at times, because as a club, they amass a huge amount of gob**** hangers on the world over who have zero clue about anything.

The city of Liverpool is a tight-knit community and I totally understand the feeling around the city and the sensitivity towards it. If you're a from Liverpool there's a high chance you'll have been affected by it either directly or indirectly.

What I don't like is how the Liverpool fans from further afield - they have significant fanbases in Ireland and the South for example - use grief as some kind of badge of honour. A fair chunk of these people weren't even born when it happened and have no connection with those who really were affected by it, but are the first to dish our vicious abuse such as that shown tonight. Respect the dead and the tragic event, but don't hijack genuine grief.

Part of the grieving process is being able to move on. Liverpool don't seem to want to move on.

if all the clubs had days they didnt play on then we wouldnt get anywhere, there comes a time when it is better to get on with it

however many years it may take

it dosen't matter whether we think it's unreasonable or not.

but i'll tell you this.
as somebody who's been to football matches with my grandfather,.

my ol' man.

my two boys.

and numerous uncles and cousins.

all i can say7 is that if something tragic ever happened to me at a football match i can think of no way i would rather that little mob celebrate the anniversary of my death than all going to a game together.

and if it was a semi involving "our team" it would be a sort of perfect symmetry.

what is the policy at Man Yoo for the Air Disaster anniversary?

Liverpool fans from the city and in and around the city are generally a world apart from those who attach themselves to the club but live on the moon.

Those from further afield get more outraged and more worked up in order to try and prove themselves as 'true fans'.

Probably the same for all clubs tbh. The guys who come from 5000 miles away raid the club shop, scream the songs the loudest and make the biggest noise when something goes against them. The guys who go each week and have been there and seen it, tend to be more sane.

I'm not saying all fans who support teams from far off are lunatics, but they tend to be the ones who behave in the most cult like ways.

I think we can all appreciate that if someone's dad/dog/dad's dog died on a certain date it would not stop that person doing something on that date. However, to equate this with the Hillsborough anniversary is laughable.

i doubt fergie would be ower happy to be put in chelseas position because of liverpools anniversary ....

Marxist bringing some common sense to the thread IMO.

And Pootle too.

Ultimately what has put Chelsea in this position is the FA making clubs play the Semi Finals of the FA CUP both at Wembley. If the FA were not a money grabbing organisation and not trying to pay for Wembley still then commonsense would have had Liverpool V Everton at Old Trafford on Saturday at 5.30 and Chelsea V Tottenham at Wembley at 12.30 on Saturday. But the FA to make more £££'s have caused this problem, it's not like they have set a date when they will revert to neutral stadiums once Wembley is paid for 10-15 years down the line, no, it's all about the £££.

it seems to me that the people who were most effected by the tragedy don;t need football matches cancelled.

they have their thoughts

they have their memories,

and whether you8 like it or not [and i know i'll get laods of stick for this]
the majority of people who demand that the anniversary is acknowledged in this way have no personel loss to remember.

Why's Alan Davies getting so much s**t? He's absolutely right

UKMallia: Surely the two london clubs would play at Emirates instead of wembley if the two northern clubs played at OT?

my last word on the subject. i think we can safely assume that the families concerned have REQUESTED to LFC not to play the game on the 15th and LFC have REQUESTED this from the FA.

It might be VS in some folks minds, but as far as I know there is a service every year on the 15th at Anfield, that the club organises and attends.

Everyone has different opinions on it, I know two Liverpool fans who used to go the game together all the time as they are best mates, both were at Hillsborough in their early 20s, since then, one has been to pretty much every game, and the other has been once and left because he couldnt handle it, its not some kind of misery badge he wears with pride, it just freaked him the **** out and he didnt go back.

I dont know if he could handle it now, perhaps he could but he chooses to handle things in his way, and thats that.

Biggest local stadium it should be IMO ror when 2 teams come from the same city, in the North West - Old Trafford, in London Wembley. However yes I would prefer it was club stadiums only and the final = Wembley. Getting to Wembley should be a one off, a final, not a SF.

its understandable if the families of those who died never wanted to see another football match in the lives after April 1989

i don't want to get too heavy on this, but those of us who can take a detached view see it as tribal mourning for the sake of it.

i can see that it's something that is very dear to the heart of liverpool fans.

AND THEY WERE YOUR MATES

BUT THEY WERE FOOTBALL FANS. AND THE GREATEST INTEREST THEY HAD WAS IN FOOTBALL MATCHES GOING AHEAD. NOT STOPPING THEM BEING PLAYED.

by all means remember them. as we all remember our departed friends/family. and it was a tragedy that a lot of us remember, but it seems to me that some want to turn it into a "cause celebre".

sorry, point being, people have massively different views on it.
some of the families of the victims might not mind a game being played on the date, some certainly would.
Liverpools decisions on it, their stance has to be driven by those.

We can all disagree and say we'd do things different, but its not our choice to make.
Go to any funeral and see how differently folk react.


UKM is right though, the FA could easily sort this out far better
For starters they could move the FA cup semi weekend (in future) to the following weekend, and just allow Liverpool to arrange their league game for the weekend of the 15th accordingly, no one would care then about a game being played on a saturday or monday or whatever, because league games are always moved about.

I do agree there is an argument for moving on, never forgetting but getting on, it is part of the bereavement process and perhaps in part LFC could help with that in different ways to how it currently does, but really thats for them to sort.

my last word on the subject. i think we can safely assume that the families concerned have REQUESTED to LFC not to play the game on the 15th and LFC have REQUESTED this from the F--------------------------------------------------------------------------

what makes you think that?

it's not unreasonable of liverpool, it's just it shouldn't be allowed to impact on other teams.

anyone know if bradford play on the 11th may, btw?

surprised this thread has remained fairly inoffensive so far

they should have fixtures scheduled for the date as usual and if they dont turn up, tough luck, forfeit the match.

why are you surrised aron

even in this god forsaken place reasonable debate can take place now and again.

Agree with Ukmallia about the semis at Wembley, Olf Trafford and The Emirates would be best .Of course could have them both on the Saturday then

That itself has nothing to do with Hillsborough and is indeed all about money grabbing from the FA

Year after, (1990 semis) were played at neutral grounds, amd all went well (actually many would say the best semi finals ever, in every respect)

It was when Arsenal drew  Spurs in 1991 that it was said could not have clubs from London going elsewhere and back .Though this wasn't a problem for the same game in 2001, and logically would have  Everton v Liverpool played at Tranmere.

Do I win a prize for being the first person to type the phrase

'UKM is right'

Apr 10, 2012 -- 12:40AM, mexicano wrote:

why are you surrised aroneven in this god forsaken place reasonable debate can take place now and again.

have you not seen threads before on touchy subjects

Gary Speed for one..

it seems to me what davies said is a legitimate point of view.

and if you like it's an opinion a lot of people have sort of "semi subscribed" to.

personally i undestand that there are a lot of people who have ties with people who died on that day. but there are also a lot of people who quite frankly just want to be seen to be "buying in" to the grief culture because it pertains to the football club they support.

but as i've said

it seems to me that the best way to remember football fans is to go to games.

Maybe Liverpool shouldn't've entered the competition, considering they knew in advance that the semis would be played on the 14/15th.

Whether davies thought it or not he should have kept it too himself

achieves utterly nothing but trouble by bringing it up

sounds like hes sh1t stirring

My grandad died on New Years Day many years ago and we used to have a big family party prior to his death. However, my mum now wants to be on her own and mark the day in her own way. I of course respect that right.

The point bing surely those affected have the right to choose how to mark the day. Alan Davies may not have been trying to be offensive but could have asked his question in a slightly more sensitive manner.

Aside from that he is as funny as a dose of crabs anyhow.

shi  stirring, or questioning certain things taht a lot of people weren't prepared to question?

What alarms me is that people are calling for someone to be sacked just because he's expressed an opinion! This is nothing even close to the Gray/Keys thing. Most up in arms about this probably weren't directly affected, in fact quite a lot on twitter probably weren't even alive at the time. It's good to know history but it's not good to wave history about to get people sacked over it. But then I suppose history is all LFC have now. (/Cheap shot!)

judorick
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what is the policy at Man Yoo for the Air Disaster anniversary?


Hi mate, how's tricks?

Not sure that United have any sort of policy regarding playing on the anniversary of the Munich air disaster. I think if a match falls on that date we play it (obviously the minute silence is observed)

I can certainly remember us playing Notts Forest at their place on the anniversary date after which the then Forest manager described the match as being a nine goal thriller. United won 8-1

The manager at the time was Ron Atkinson, I forgot to mention.

I'll apologise first for any offence I could cause, but I really don't see how any of this is consolation to a Chelsea fan who - although we get to watch our team take on Tottenham then Barcelona then Arsenal then Barcelona again all within 10 days - could well end up getting knocked out of the FA Cup, the Champions league and losing any hope of finishing 4th all in 2 weeks.
Also if a kid can get arrested and sentenced to jail for racist tweets about Muamba then why are the police not getting involved when people are tweeting death threats?  Surely that is far worse...

loadedgimp: Police may well get involved. If you do see any death threats then screen cap, note them and report to their local police.

viva el presidente!

anyone know if bradford play on the 11th may, btw?

Yeah, we do.  Minute's silence pre kick off, family of the victims there to lead the tribute and away we go.  It's a sad occasion in the sense that it brings back bad memories for the people that were there, but it's not viewed as a reason to postpone matches scheduled for that date.

loadedgimp

I'll apologise first for any offence I could cause, but I really don't see how any of this is consolation to a Chelsea fan who - although we get to watch our team take on Tottenham then Barcelona then Arsenal then Barcelona again all within 10 days - could well end up getting knocked out of the FA Cup, the Champions league and losing any hope of finishing 4th all in 2 weeks.

Odd to apologise for causing offence; why say it if you think it's offensive?  I suppose Chelsea fans could find some form of consolation in the fact that their worries are only about football, a game that's fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of things, especially when compared to nearly 100 people dying.

I do think Chelsea have a right to be pissed off but it should be aimed at the FA
6pm sunday is ridiculous kick off
The FA could have had Chelsea spurs play at the Emirates saturday but the FA lose cash
The FA could have had liverpool everton play old trafford but the FA lose cash
The FA could have had chelsea play at 12pm sunday but feared it would clash with other tv games

TV and money dictates when games get played 99.9% of the time
The other 0.1% happens to be things like Hillsborough anniversary, or Bolton postponing a game due to Muamba falling ill.
I'd say the 0.1% are understandable and acceptable, and the thing to be annoyed at is the 99.9% that says, money and tv is everything, fans are nothing.

rob_the_bantam: If people find something you say offensive (and you don't think it should be), then it's usual to "apologise for the offense caused." (Rather than apologise for the remark!)

In this case he apologised for being insensitive, so he actually does take some responsibility himself and understands he was insensitive. But is that really a sacking offense?

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Plenty of people missing the point here, including Davies.

There is a Hillsborough memorial service every year in Liverpool (I think it is in one of the cathedrals). It is normally attended by players, ex-players staff etc from the club.

Obviously an FA Cup semi final interferes with this.

It is not unreasonable to not want to play on a day that clashes with this imo.

And I'm not a Liverpool fan btw.

The mans apologised, I didnt know there was a memorial on that weekend attended by players etc, he probably didnt,and its not just a football match, almost 100 died and if thats how the Liverpool fans and players see fit in remembering it so be it, he has made a gesture of a donation to the Hillsborough cause, let it go and move on. It is still raw and will be for many years for Liverpool and its supporters, I am sure if Bradford chose to remember their own tragedy in a similar way then football fans would understand. They choose not to, that is also their right.

I seem to remember a former Liverpool manager expressing his opinion on matters concerning football, life and death and his opinion was that football was more important. Tragedy and misfortune are part of life, and in everyday life people get back up and get on with it. Grieve in private, not in public, and don't make others suffer for your personal misfortune. As for Alan Davies he is a comedian, an individual, entitled to an opinion. An opinion that rates no more highly or lowly than any other opinion on the matter. Sack him? Ridiculous idea. We will be voting to bring in the "Thought Police" next.

Benito Mussolini's wife's birthday on the 10th, any teams playing football today are CLEARLY fascists!

today is the 10 year anniversary of the Ghriba synagogue bombing, anyone participating in football related activities should be reported to the authorities as a  terrorist / anti-semite.

"It is not unreasonable to not want to play on a day that clashes with this imo."
You're wrong in my opinion.
A football game takes 2 hours, a day is 10-12 hours long at least.
What liverpool is saying is we want to appear to be this, that and the other, but we'll be fecked if we will sacrifice the slightest chance of winning a football game, bonuses, trophies, medals etc.
how about attending services for 4 hours in the morning, actually sacrificing some prep time, then showing up and maybe losing just because you see humanity more important than football? not fecking likely.

and marxist-leninist, i know you'll support us in stamping out this nonsensical mumbo jumbo opium for the people numerology bs by this cultish minority.

and it was an unfortunate accident that killed 100 people, it's not like it was millions of people who were deliberately killed in specially designed camps and other methods by, er, marxist-leninists, is it?

coont

Our freedom of speech is being replaced by lynch mob censorship

polyblot,

maybe you'll explain how players, staff and fans are supposed to be at a memorial service in Liverpool cathedral and a Wembley FA Cup Semi Final at the same time?

I was in The Leppings Lane that day, & if Alan Davies, or any of you lot on here had experienced what I did, believe me, you'd not be too keen about playing a football match on that date.

It may have been 23 years since the tragedy. But as far as I, & many others like me are concerned, the memory is still as fresh as if it was yesterday. We're not asking the whole of football to come to a standstill on the 15th of April every year. We just want the time to remember those who died. Not much to ask for is it ?

Seeing the bodies of young men, women, & children strewn across a football pitch is not something that leaves your memory very quickly. But with the modern football stadia, & a big improvement in the safety aspects of football matches. Thankfully, a tragedy like Hillsborough should never happen again.

That doesn't mean that Alan Davies should have to apologise for his opinion or entitle people to threaten him for expressing it.

I think it's absolutely right that Liverpool's wish not to play on the date is respected.  Surely that's not too much to ask.

The problem arises because of the FA and TV demands.  Both games should be played on the Saturday lunchtime and tea time at neutral venues in the North West and London (not Wembley).

I do wonder whether UEFA would move the fixture however if it were a champions league semi that fell on that date.

As for Alan Davies, he's expressed an opinion.  This all.  Some will agree, most won't, but he hardly deserves to be hung, drawn and quartered.

I'm not bothered one way or another if Davies apologises or not. I'm simply stating that if he, or anyone else holding a similar viewpoint, had been there that day, then I pretty confident they'd hold a totally different opinion. So at best, their opinions are worthless because they don't speak with any authority on the matter. & at the very worse, they are crass & insensitive.

I'm not too sure VS. I never lost anyone that day, nor do I know anyone that died. But the 15th of April is a day I just want over, & the 16th can't come quick enough. We're all different I suppose. For some, like yourself, you'd see it as a tribute. Me personally, I'd rather we played any other day but that one.

He definitely should be sacked of whatever he does now mostly because he is a w@n£er and a boring bastud.

One thing is for sure, the death threats to Davies and his family on twitter over the last day are far more disrespectful to the memory of Hillsborough than anything he suggested. Hillsborough for football fans has become like Immigration to politics - you can't express a view without immediately being pounced on with vicious accusations

Liverpool are a professional victim club.

Where do you draw the line in playing on disaster days?

Everybody has personal disasters.

Get over it Liverpool,play on the date,minutes silence to show respect,everybodys happy.

or alternatively, you could send death threats to someone who might have a different perspective on it to yourself, that would help gain sympathy and let the world know exactly what kind of 'respectful' fans you have.

so, do liverpool play on the anniversary of heysel or not?  would be strange double standards if they do.

Heysel anniversary tends to fall after the season has finished. I know in Liverpool's case this could be February, but the date is 29th May so very seldom a match to be played.

fair point mate. takes the decision out of their hands if it is after the end of the season. probably for the best really.

Given their decision making ability this season anything taken out of their hands has got to be a good thing.

You can back down now fallen, nowt to see here.....

"The HJC has not accepted the £1000 paid into it's paypal account by Alan Davies. Whilst we accept his apology, we would prefer that he genuinely tried to understand why the decision never to play on the anniversary of the Hillsborough Disaster is so important."

Refusing financial assistance for their justice campaign purely so they can stay in a huff for a bit longer. Truly pathetic and ungracious, but what else would you expect from them...

name another team that says when it will or will not play

if they are due to play on the 15th they should play or forfeit. they could hold a memorial service any day and the same day if they were playing anywhere in the uk or most places in europe (it's not as if there's an exact number of days in the year on average). anniversaries are of no genuine significance, just like birthdays. just another excuse to wallow in the past. some people may appreciate such opportunities but in the event of a clash they ought to prioritise rather than dictating to everyone else.

if there are relatives of victims who choose to not watch football on the anniversary then that is their choice and i would respect that, but they shouldnt decide to enforce this day of non-football on everyone else who might choose to remember hillsborough in a more conventional manner.

Seems to me that a football match, especially against everton, would be the perfect place to have the memorial service

Anyone want any tickets for Alan Davies at the Liverpool Empire on 23rd September.  Should be an interesting night.

Swardean

should lpool get to a champions league semi again and it was drawn out on that date what would happen then?

liverpool, champions league semi-final
good one

liverpool, champions league semi-final
good one