Female Manager in the Premier League

Sanchez makes attention seeking statement to keep himself in the managerial spotlight more like. He is on a total non-lose position with this.

If he is right he is a visionary. If he's wrong, well sexism is just running too deeply in the game.

She wouldn't have the authority. Just imagine her trying to pull off a star player at half time.

If he's wrong, well sexism is just running too deeply in the game.

Why does it have to be 'sexism'?

It doesn't have to be, but that's an easy thing to level at one of the reasons why not.

Mrs Doubtfire was at sewderland

Ah I see - sorry Dave, I misread your post.

Never going to happen

There is not even enough female managers for the womens' game. Only 1 female manager in the women's premier league.

Cherie Lunghi as The Manageress

just imagine her trying to pull star player of at halftime

Arsenal have had a female in charge for over a decade now.

The marketing potential would be enormous. It certainly cannot be by accident that Chelsea employ a particularly attractive woman physio (sorry don't know her name).

Frank Rijkaard have kind of women methods. Never shouts, sometimes speaks very low to force players to listen carefully

The marketing potential would be enormous. It certainly cannot be by accident that Chelsea employ a particularly attractive woman physio (sorry don't know her name).

I thought it was AVB's little bit of crumpet, she is pretty attractive.  no wonder Drogba goes down injured all the time

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The marketing potential would be enormous. It certainly cannot be by accident that Chelsea employ a particularly attractive woman physio (sorry don't know her name).


A Betfair forumite committee managing an EPL would also have huge marketing potential. Betfair could by a club and invite forum shrewdies onto the committee.

Be a small committee though

*buy

her names eva. u havto have female there jt needs his fix

I'd certainly employ a female (any female) over Sanchez.

Thought that was what David Luiz was for ?

theyd have to learn the offside rule first.

copyright andy gray and wolfman

Just think what the spending would be like in the January transfer window. Who would explain to them that once you've bought a player you can't take him back and exchange him..

Could be wrong, but I don't think female managers even dominate the women's game yet.  Can't see one reaching the PL within a decade, maybe the Conference/League 2.

Since when has a kitchen been known as the premier league?
funny though,as sanchez looks like a butch lesbían in that piece

to be fair i can see positives.

it would save money for a start, cos they wouldn't need to employ someone else to wash and iron the kit.

Just think what the spending would be like in the January transfer window. Who would explain to them that once you've bought a player you can't take him back and exchange him..

Sanchez was wrong, how long are we off now though?

more chance Sanchez is dead in the next ten years

just realised that article is 11 years old!  Hope Sanchez has paid up

Meet the only female coach of any men’s senior football team in the whole of England, 48-year-old Natasha Orchard Smith. Orchard-Smith spent the majority of her coaching career at the grassroots level, coaching 5 to 11-year-olds before taking up a role in the coaching staff of Arsenal women’s football club for one season. In June, 2018, relegated with no players left in the team, 9th-tier English semi-professional men’s team Arlesey Town F.C. contacted the then-46-year-old Orchard-Smith to take charge of the club. The two semi-professional players in charge of the club at that time knew Orchard-Smith and regarded her as the “best coach they’ve seen” in their 20 year long semi-pro career. The season had started and there was very little time to settle in but Orchard-Smith relished this opportunity and brought the club back to its feet. “There’s no reasons why anyone couldn’t do it,” said Orchard-Smith in an interview with a tabloid. “You’ve just got to be given the opportunity.”

Arlesey knew they were making a rare decision, but it turned out to be even more significant when the English FA confirmed that on her appointment, she would be the only female head coach of any affiliated club in the country. In the interview, Orchard-Smith recalls how she put her FA Level 1 coaching badge to use when her son’s team needed a manager for the U-8 team. From thereon, she started climbing the ladder and made a name for herself at the grassroots and semi-professional level. Her achievements at the club and the club’s performance under her time find little to no mention online, but we presume the job done by her was exemplary considering Arlesey Town are stable and doing just fine in the Spartan South Midlands Football League (level 9th to 11th in the English football pyramid).

It is important to understand that England has historically been the center of football; the sport has evolved and spread to other parts of the world through the British Isles. England houses the most watched sports league anywhere in the world, and to make a mark in England is to consequently etch your name in football history books. It is no hiding that English football has been plagued with racism and homophobia, and a country’s football fan-base unwilling to accept openly gay men and still mistreating black footballers even in 2020 goes to show how far off the country actually is from seeing a women enter the ‘masculine’ fray. Orchard-Smith may have taken up a ‘small’ step to manage a 9th-tier side, but her appointment will set a precedent in the sport which will make further such instances normal and acceptable in the public eye, as then it would have happened before at least once without much furor and controversy. Not to mention, the footballing level and quality even in the 9th-tier of English football is better and more competitive than the 3rd and 4th divisions of many European countries. We hope Orchard-Smith is the first of many female managers to enter the men’s sport in England and enrich it with their ideologies and experiences.

Emma Hayes has got a good record in the womens game but is a glorified dinner lady, I think female managers have a long way to go to be honest

Got to happen in the end. Just imagine a group of men talking 75 years ago . They would have laughed at the idea of Women Prime Ministers, women firemen, women train drivers, women racehorse trainers, women referees, women heads of state, women astronauts women pro darts players, women jockeys even . They all came true. Don't forget the men who identify as women can ostensibly do any job as well.

ironically some parts of the BF forum are much like a group of men talking 75 years (well, 50)  ago...

True.

Apr 4, 2012 -- 1:40PM, Crisp77 wrote:

She wouldn't have the authority. Just imagine her trying to pull off a star player at half time.

The players are owned by the corporate world and would be told to play it up so don't just throw it out

We live in a reality where they hire black women with zero experience as managers in corporations, because they are forced to

And even after they absolutely co ck it up in these corporations they are simply quietly transferred not sacked, because they will never admit they were wrong, they simply double down on it

The Manageress is a television series about a woman who becomes manager of a professional football team. It ran from 1989 to 1990 and had two seasons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-Pzvzs9zk&t=140s

Sarina Wiegman has proven she's a much better manager than Mr Neville. I think she'd the answer for some prima donnas in the Premier League. She's the best manager England has ever had.

i thought Birmingham city had a women as manager at one time,i may be wrong???????????????

You are thinking of Karen Brady

Managing Director mebbe.  Definitely not manager

Jason Dodd, forgot all about this mug, the most argumentative twerp ever to grace the forum, he'd argue for weeks on end about nothing to have the last word. Kind Regard.

Interesting question in the current climate (i.e. everything female is supposedly just automatically brilliant...) but the massive gaping gap is that there isn't even a female manager in any lower league sides, and I think even in non-league, let alone the top flights.

It may well happen at some point, but it's a long, long way off at the top level.

What owner in their right mind would hand the reins of a PL club worth hundreds of millions or more to any current female manager? It is a long way off, prob another 10 years at least and the PL is prob the last big league it will happen in given the financial consequences of relegation.

They might bring in a rule that a woman has to be interviewed for the job like they did a few years ago but you don't even hear them suggesting that currently. No reason why a woman can't study modern day tactics and become a good manager tho. The likes of Nagelsmann and Tuchel retired from playing in their early to mid twenties due to injury and became top managers. Klopp and Mourinho had similar underwhelming playing careers but studied the game.

Equality of opportunity doesn't mean equality of outcome FFS.  There seems to be some confusion about this among the hand wringers.

There's just no way a commercial enterprise worth several millions is going to trust their club to a woman unless they have a proven track record.  A good local village men's team would thrash the English National women's team.  That's problem number one.  It's a pretty big one.

A proven track record in men's football that is

No woman is going to be good enough to play in the top 4 leagues of men's English football.  Not in a 100 years, not in 200 years, not in 1,000 years.  I know managing is not the same thing and there are managers like (Mourinho and McMenemy, the other ex Southampton manager who's name I forget, and the guy at Rennes) who weren't players, but they are few and far between, and they will have experience of playing men's football.

^^ Wow! That is a chauvinistic comment. I'd like Ms Weigman given a chance just to prove you wrong. However, I do agree very unlikely a woman footballer will be good enough to play in the present Premier League.

A woman can be as adept as a man when it comes to tactical understanding, modern coaching methods etc, the problem isn't coaching it's managing male players, a woman can't dominate a dressing room full of alpha males, they'll all be too busy looking at her arse.

Maybe all too young to see that series I posted about "The Manageress"

I watched at least a series of it Sparrow - quite watchable when choice was scarce...

fella that played her assistant manager or coach  was excellent in Between the Lines (Tom Georgeson) and whilst if peak Cherie Lunghi was managing,  Mes's point may resonate more...not sure Emma Hayes is attracting anyone's gaze in that direction...

I was beginning to think no one else had even heard of the series, brentford.   I thought it was a decent watch at the time and not forgetting a young Warren Clarke.

great shout on Warren Clarke - had forgotten that..

Jun 9, 2023 -- 5:45PM, impossible123 wrote:

^^ Wow! That is a chauvinistic comment. I'd like Ms Weigman given a chance just to prove you wrong. However, I do agree very unlikely a woman footballer will be good enough to play in the present Premier League.

It's not unlikely, it's biology and it's impossible.

As for managing, it's not impossible that a woman can be as adept as a man when it comes to tactical understanding, it's just very unlikely.  It's a numbers game.  Far less women are passionate about football.

Perhaps a bigger issue is respect.  It's hard to respect a manager that hasn't played the game at a decent level, why Mourinho is a huge outlier.  You only have to watch Lee Trundle and Andy Morrell in their late 40s smash the US women's team 12-0 in 40 minutes.  The women's game is a completely different level of technical and physical ability.

We'll see.  There have been a select few female managers of lower tier men's teams worldwide.  Not one has progressed so far.

Not impossible. A good male footballer could identify as a woman if he so chooses. What happens then. ?

I imagine surgery and a pair of Jimmy Choo's

might be difficult of course for "her" size 11 feet

in 10 years time it will be compulsory to have a quota of female managers, managers of different colour, different faith and LGBT IN THE Prem league,
irrelevant of there ability, a bit like todays Police Forces

Hannah Dingley takes over as manager at Forest Green

Oh dear lor.. *rubs eyes in disbelief*

I said it a while back, theyll not only be hired but will be allowed to fail

Before anyone pipes up

Its all political remember that

Will not be allowed to fail*

Sarina is a shoe in to take over from Gareth.

The ultimate virtue signal the FA won’t want to miss out on.

I would rather have her than Gareth

No woman will ever manage a Premier League club, no Premier League club owner would dare put an asset worth multi millions come billions in some cases, into the hands of a woman with literally zero track record of managing anywhere near that level, it's just a pipe dream for the equality foot-soldiers like that wailing banshee Shebang O'hearn on Talksport this morning or whatever she's called (quite hot though), yelling out sexist and dinosaur to someone who said 80% of men do not want a woman in charge of their club. Moreover, let's say one lost his mind and did give her a job at the top table, she'd last 5 minutes, a woman can't deliver the hairdryer treatment when needed in the dressing room like a man can, and even if she did no player would take it, they'd die of humiliation if they did, they probably would also not want to be there anyway when the s*** hits the fan and the alpha males pumped up with testosterone and adrenaline get into slanging matches with each other with every swear word under the sun, that's the reality of a female boss at the top level, unsuitable.  The only people, like Brains of Britain Gabby Agbonlahor, that say it will and should happen are those only interested in pandering to women to score brownie points or in his case, protecting his job in the media by staying on safe ground. Kind Regards.

post a photo mesmerised, my football mad grandson is equally mad on dinosaurs.

dambuster11 Jun 23 13:19 - in 10 years time it will be compulsory to have a quota of female managers, managers of different colour, different faith and LGBT IN THE Prem league, irrelevant of there ability, a bit like todays Police Forces

Many years ago in front of Match of the Day, c1973, my father in law to be, carefully and in all seriousness explained to me that Clyde Best was only playing for West Ham because of the "quota", whereby, according to him, all first division clubs had to play at least one black player in their teams. And I though HE was an idiot.

Playing wimmins football wouldn't automatically help manage in
Mens game as its so different.

The likes of Emma Hayes speak well on both games,
and she is obviously aware of difference whereas
some of the pundits don't step up to men's game
punditry as well as her.

Same as a good non league men's manager isnt
automatically qualified to manage in higher leagues.




Clyde Best was long before quotas, he was there on
merit,

you-have-to-laugh---05 Jul 23 22:27
Playing wimmins football etc etc etc

Clyde Best was long before quotas, he was there on
merit,  My point was that there were no quotas and he was defo there on merit.

Yep, agree.

No argument, just adding my context too.

West Ham had John Charles playing in the First Division 1960s and long before Clyde Best.

I can't see how it would work.  There must be a lot of nudity in the dressing rooms.  It would only be a matter of time before it's revealed a **** player starts every match because he's having an affair with the manageress.

Jul 6, 2023 -- 1:00PM, lybertyne wrote:

I can't see how it would work.

I can see it becoming compulsory to have females, Non Binary, Ethnic minorities and LBGTGKZFFS, sitting in the dugout before long, even if they're not up to the job.
Just like in any other working environment

ffs, womens football has yet to reach under 15 schoolboy level, PL Manager - not a chance in hell.

Didn't Colchester United u16 beat the Womens national team 5-0 a couple of years back ?

Management has nothing to do with playing ability.  So the quality of the women's play is thus irrelevant.
I agree however that a women having the qualities needed to manage in the real game is as likely to materialise as the sun turning blue.

A modern football manager is just the public voice of a very being support team.

Take half of Pep's coaches away and they wouldn't win the league.

There are plenty of wimmin capable of management
But zero that have credentials to manage a premier
league football team.

Emma Hayes wouldn't be that far away, if she went
and managed a decent men's team at a reasonable
level and was successful.

Even then she would struggle to get appointed.

Don't forget there have been some totally useless
managers appointed many times by Premier league
teams.

I fully agree but male managers can, and regularly do, lose the commitment and dedication of their squads in a very short space of time.  It would then be so, so much harder for women to wield authority and maintain the regard of a male squad.
Indeed, almost impossible in my view, especially if she appointed a serry of other females to help her.

Why would she appoint more females?

We are assuming that somebody is credible.

I think the hardest part is getting there.
A female manager with top coaches would likely
do OK, assuming she has the talent to get appointed.

Being a woman isn't the problem.

In an all male dressing room it would be in my view.

There are numerous male coaches in female game.

It doesn't appear to be a major problem.

That;s the opposite though.  Male players coached/managed by a woman would need a great deal of convincing imo.

mere misogyny from loyalhoncho

Perhaps , The best manager I worked for - in an engineering manufacturing profession
and a male workforce was a woman

They would need convincing.

There's a high bar for bringing in new
managers to Premier league teams.

It's a major obstacle as its difficult
for a woman to get the experience to
be able to convince the players.

So it's not happening... For the foreseeable

Well I suppose one of the main differences
is in engineering you either know your stuff or you don’t
So there’s no convincing there - in football there’s a lot of bluffers

Imagine the likes of Joey Barton taking a tongue-lashing from a bint coach.  Or M'Bappe doing what he was told or Aubameyang bothering his rss to be on time for training.  Or dozens and dozens of others who would give the woman scant respect.
No chance of ever happening unless it becomes an economic necessity.  Then they would all take one on.

Karren Brady once threatened a West Ham player of being in danger of getting sold after he made a certain remark.  Six months later he was on his way to Crewe.

Start with the England senior squad. Mr Southgate is out of his depth He's pants!

Karen Brady wouldn;t be able to crack managing either., much as I respect and admire the woman for what she has achieved in the game.  I would imagine that demanding things are done as a main board director would be fundamentally different from management.  I once directed a whole load of cows around a cattle market but apart from that my experience of the role is limited.
Technically I have been both - director and manager and I know which job is the hardest.  I take my hat off to successful managers everywhere.  Getting performance out of employees is a very tough job.

If you can’t take advice or a reprimand from a manager,
accepting they know what they are doing and have knowledge,
then you are the problem .. not the manager

When the woman at Forest Green fails miserably and is sacked next season the OP's question will no longer be one

I thought she was temporary until they find the right manager. Have I got that wrong?

Yeah Caretaker

Which is another word for Cleaner/Janitor

Seems to have really upset some people though.

so after a draw against Melksham, they have appointed a permanant manager now, David Horseman former southampton u23 manager

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12922543/hannah-dingleys-spell...