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I am of an age that I remember most of the greats in their prime and the more I watch Messi the more I am convinced he is the best player ever!
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i know some mug fishermen would come on spouting utter bilige after the match
for all intensive purposes, he played no worse than most of the players on the feckin pitch and was absolutely sublime again at times!
the bloke doesnt score a hatrick and u mugs are out in force, what u think maradona didnt have off days? not to mention the fact messi NEVER gets injured no matter how hard they hit him!
THE BEST EVER
for all intensive purposes, he played no worse than most of the players on the feckin pitch and was absolutely sublime again at times!
the bloke doesnt score a hatrick and u mugs are out in force, what u think maradona didnt have off days?
not to mention the fact messi NEVER gets injured no matter how hard they hit him!THE BEST EVER
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Messi isn't even close to the top 10 players of all time let alone no.1.
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Messi isn't even close to the top 10 players of all time let alone no.1.
I'm sick of all this tosh, messi in an average team in the premiership like everton would hit around 20 goals per season,
If you put Carlton Cole in the current Barca team he would hit 30+ per season
He is the best in the world but his team mates get little cr
If you put Carlton Cole in the current Barca team he would hit 30+ per season
He is the best in the world but his team mates get little cr
So Carlton Cole would get more goals for Barcelona than the likes of Villa, Ibrahimovic, Sanchez, Bojan etc have?
What a complete load of rubbish.
There have been plenty of great players like the ones named above and Ronaldinho, Henry, Etoo. None of them got anywhere near the goals Messi has.
Give it a break - Carlton Cole.
What a complete load of rubbish.
There have been plenty of great players like the ones named above and Ronaldinho, Henry, Etoo. None of them got anywhere near the goals Messi has.
Give it a break - Carlton Cole.
OK how many would Carlton Cole get playing in the current Barca team ??
He would hit 25-30 per season if not more, look at the team they have now Bojan is pants, Ibrahimovic is not a prolific striker
He would hit 25-30 per season if not more, look at the team they have now Bojan is pants, Ibrahimovic is not a prolific striker
Ibrahimovic not prolific? He has virtually a goal a game this season and had a very good record the seasons before he joined Barca at Inter.
Fact is Ibrahimovic is in a completely different league to Carlton Cole and he struggled to hit twenty goals. Even Etoo had his best ever goalscoring season away from Barca.
What a clueless thing to say 'Carlton Cole would get 20 - 30 for Barca.
The mind boggles.
Fact is Ibrahimovic is in a completely different league to Carlton Cole and he struggled to hit twenty goals. Even Etoo had his best ever goalscoring season away from Barca.
What a clueless thing to say 'Carlton Cole would get 20 - 30 for Barca.
The mind boggles.
exactly, nobody has gotten the amount he has no matter how good they were PERCEIVED to be. youre reference of carlton cole is fooking farcical. u may aswell throw messi on a par with andy carroll if youre gonna talk like that. every exceptional player needs a good team and everyone praises iniesta and xavi to high heaven week in week out, everfyone knows how exceptional they are, they just happen to play alongside a player who has taken the game to new heights the likes of which has never been seen.
even when he has a 'bad' game hes still the best player on the pitch. remarkable given that his fellow players, from all teams regard him as one of the greatest ever. if someone cant see that messi is absolutely exceptional, then they are blind. this is not my opinion, this is a fact of life, the guy is a freak of nature, his game has absolutely no weaknesses, dribbling, passing, speed, strength, and most importantly consistancy, he practically always comes up with the good, something u cant say very often about footballers. to top it off hes a team player, he plays for his teammates!
no weaknesses!
even when he has a 'bad' game hes still the best player on the pitch. remarkable given that his fellow players, from all teams regard him as one of the greatest ever. if someone cant see that messi is absolutely exceptional, then they are blind. this is not my opinion, this is a fact of life, the guy is a freak of nature, his game has absolutely no weaknesses, dribbling, passing, speed, strength, and most importantly consistancy, he practically always comes up with the good, something u cant say very often about footballers. to top it off hes a team player, he plays for his teammates!
no weaknesses!
All I'm saying is that in the current Barca set up the average Premiership Striker would hit 20+
Perhaps I was going overboard by saying Carlton Cole 30 Goals
Perhaps I was going overboard by saying Carlton Cole 30 Goals
yeah average would get 20...how mny has messi got?
cherrypicker I think you may just be the most clueless person I have ever come across on this forum.
The fact is Etoo, Ibrahimovic, Villa, Sanchez etc have not nearly matched Messi's scoring yet you think Carlton Cole would get 20-30.
Wow.
The fact is Etoo, Ibrahimovic, Villa, Sanchez etc have not nearly matched Messi's scoring yet you think Carlton Cole would get 20-30.
Wow.
yup, record breaker.
just hearing the things his fellow players have said about him tells u hes special!
just hearing the things his fellow players have said about him tells u hes special!
JAM please look I did go overboard what I was trying to say is that Barca have a world class side and will smash the Champions League.
madrid will give them a game in the final perhaps. they are something else tho, a joy to behold and the reason i love football so much!
i wish every team would try to play like them.
i wish every team would try to play like them.
Torres is a far superior player than Carlton Cole and struggles for Spain with the Barcelona players. Its not just a case of anyone would score playing with them.
how many goals has messi scored in really big matches, world cups, champs league semi finals/ final, i would definetly say avg of around 1 in 3 games.
elis john - Messi has scored in three of the four finals he has played for Barcelona.
I dont think Maradona scored in a final in his whole career.
I dont think Maradona scored in a final in his whole career.
may have been said but surely a players greatness is based on trophies won by teams they,ve played for and on that note barc and the arggies are great sides sooooo has he won the most trophies 
messi is prolific, he is consistantly the best player year in year out, destroys ronaldo everytime they play real when he bottles it as usual!
elis u sould like the type that will come on this thread if real actually managed to beat barca and claim ronaldo is better on that back of that one performance.
where are u getting this info from that messi doesnt perform in big matches? hes RENOWENED for steeping up everytime hes asked. his team almost went out of the CL a couple season ago in russia and he score 2 goals in the last 3 minutes to feckin win the match. everytime he reaches the final in the CL he excels, he was even voted one of the players of the tourni in the last world cup irregardless of how argentina did, he is a phenomenon!
tar!
elis u sould like the type that will come on this thread if real actually managed to beat barca and claim ronaldo is better on that back of that one performance.
where are u getting this info from that messi doesnt perform in big matches? hes RENOWENED for steeping up everytime hes asked. his team almost went out of the CL a couple season ago in russia and he score 2 goals in the last 3 minutes to feckin win the match. everytime he reaches the final in the CL he excels, he was even voted one of the players of the tourni in the last world cup irregardless of how argentina did, he is a phenomenon!
tar!
When you look at the players who have won 3 ballon d'or trophies -- Cruyff, Platini, Van Basten -- and you recognise how sh*t and over-rated these players were, you begin to realise how dump Messi actually is, having won the last 3 ballon d'or awards in a row.
I'd go as far to say that if he wins a 4th in a row, he's about the worst and most over-rated player to have ever played at any level. I could only see him in a worse light if he were to happen to do well at a World Cup.
As for dominating the Champions League, don't make me laugh. It's not exactly on a par with scoring 6 against Northampton is it?
I've seen enough highlight clips of Maradona to know that Messi won't ever touch him. And there are people on this forum who saw all of his games for Napoli and they will tell you, Diego cannot be touched. And as for those goals that Pele nearly scored, do you honestly think Messi could nearly score goals as good as that? Mugs.
Wake me up when he's actually achieved something.
I'd go as far to say that if he wins a 4th in a row, he's about the worst and most over-rated player to have ever played at any level. I could only see him in a worse light if he were to happen to do well at a World Cup.
As for dominating the Champions League, don't make me laugh. It's not exactly on a par with scoring 6 against Northampton is it?
I've seen enough highlight clips of Maradona to know that Messi won't ever touch him. And there are people on this forum who saw all of his games for Napoli and they will tell you, Diego cannot be touched. And as for those goals that Pele nearly scored, do you honestly think Messi could nearly score goals as good as that? Mugs.
Wake me up when he's actually achieved something.
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When you look at the players who have won 3 ballon d'or trophies -- Cruyff, Platini, Van Basten -- and you recognise how sh*t and over-rated these players were, you begin to realise how dump Messi actually is, having won the last 3 ballon d'or awards in a row.
I'd go as far to say that if he wins a 4th in a row, he's about the worst and most over-rated player to have ever played at any level. I could only see him in a worse light if he were to happen to do well at a World Cup.
As for dominating the Champions League, don't make me laugh. It's not exactly on a par with scoring 6 against Northampton is it?
I've seen enough highlight clips of Maradona to know that Messi won't ever touch him. And there are people on this forum who saw all of his games for Napoli and they will tell you, Diego cannot be touched. And as for those goals thatPele nearly scored, do you honestly think Messi could nearly score goals as good as that? Mugs.
Wake me up when he's actually achieved something.
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When you look at the players who have won 3 ballon d'or trophies -- Cruyff, Platini, Van Basten -- and you recognise how sh*t and over-rated
these players were, you begin to realise how dump Messi actually is, having won the last 3 ballon d'or awards in a row.I'd go as far to say that if he wins a 4th in a row, he's about the worst and most over-rated player to have ever played at any level
. I could only see him in a worse light if he were to happen to do well at a World Cup.As for dominating the Champions League, don't make me laugh. It's not exactly on a par with scoring 6 against Northampton is it?
I've seen enough highlight clips of Maradona to know that Messi won't ever touch him. And there are people on this forum who saw all of his games for Napoli and they will tell you, Diego cannot be touched. And as for those goals that
Pele nearly scored, do you honestly think Messi could nearly score goals as good as that? Mugs.Wake me up when he's actually achieved something.
Maradona is the greatest player ever.
A higher % of people who have seen both Maradona and Messi whilst adults
would go for Maradona.
Most people who go for Messi are 20-30. Like most things they think the best are around in their era.
I'll take the opinions of people who are in a position to judge ie seen both at their best.
A higher % of people who have seen both Maradona and Messi whilst adults
would go for Maradona.
Most people who go for Messi are 20-30. Like most things they think the best are around in their era.
I'll take the opinions of people who are in a position to judge ie seen both at their best.
What does it matter if people in their 20-30's prefer Messi?
I doubt 99% of those older than that saw Maradona in more than ten games his whole career.
I dont think it is all that clear cut that the older age group prefer Maradona anyway. Certainly by the comments that those who played with and against Maradona are coming out with on a dailly basis it looks like Messi is prefered by a lot of them and its increasing all the time.
I doubt 99% of those older than that saw Maradona in more than ten games his whole career.
I dont think it is all that clear cut that the older age group prefer Maradona anyway. Certainly by the comments that those who played with and against Maradona are coming out with on a dailly basis it looks like Messi is prefered by a lot of them and its increasing all the time.
it doesn't matter if they are 20-30 but human nature is usually to say the best around is in their era.
people who have seen both players at their best are in the best position to judge imo
if rose tinted specs can be avoided.
we'll have to disagree about who is regarded as the best ever. is there a reliable poll you can point me to?
people who have seen both players at their best are in the best position to judge imo
if rose tinted specs can be avoided.
we'll have to disagree about who is regarded as the best ever. is there a reliable poll you can point me to?
Ardiles said Messi is better than Maradona, i heard that the other night.
Who else is there?
Who else is there?
'I doubt 99% of those older than that saw Maradona in more than ten games his whole career.'
yes because we could only afford a radio in the old days
l0l, you GOTTA be in your twenties
yes because we could only afford a radio in the old days
l0l, you GOTTA be in your twenties
John where did you watch Maradona week in week out?
What are you looking for a list of people that have said Messi is best ever?
There are far more than just Ardilles from that era that have said Messi is better. I doubt there is a poll on such a thing but I wouldnt bank on Maradona being voted above Messi by those over 30.
What are you looking for a list of people that have said Messi is best ever?
There are far more than just Ardilles from that era that have said Messi is better. I doubt there is a poll on such a thing but I wouldnt bank on Maradona being voted above Messi by those over 30.
Anybody here that reckons they watched Maradona week in/week out is a Walter Mitty fantasist.
There is not a player in the history off football who could control a ball moving at the speed messi does , it defies belief and the laws off physics
Its hard enough running past people at that pace without having a football to control
its like its glued to his feet
And to achieve what he has and do what he has does in this era off super fitness and high performance athletic footballer makes it even more of an achievment
And you can understand maradonna sticking out at napoli as he was class no question , but for messi to stick out amongst the greatest team the planet has ever seen leaves no question in my mind he is the best ever
Its hard enough running past people at that pace without having a football to control
its like its glued to his feet
And to achieve what he has and do what he has does in this era off super fitness and high performance athletic footballer makes it even more of an achievment
And you can understand maradonna sticking out at napoli as he was class no question , but for messi to stick out amongst the greatest team the planet has ever seen leaves no question in my mind he is the best ever
players are no doubt fitter and stronger these days but tackling was so much better back then than now
The argument seems to be that one can't have seen Maradona as often as Messi, ie week in week out.Therefore although Maradona was spellbinding in the matches we did see (usually in world cups against the best where Messi has thus far made little impression) and is what his reputation is built on, we must however assume he wasn't very good in the matches unseen by most, instead of the logical assumption that he pretty much was brilliant in most like Messi. A spurious argument imo verging on nonsensical.
We'll have to disagree about who would poll highest with people aged over 20 Jamdav.
I've seen a 'who was the greatest' poll on here a few months back and w/o counting up, Maradona's name arose the most by quite a way iirc.
We'll have to disagree about who would poll highest with people aged over 20 Jamdav.
I've seen a 'who was the greatest' poll on here a few months back and w/o counting up, Maradona's name arose the most by quite a way iirc.
I don't really care who people think is the greatest, it's the people who say things like "Messi isn't in so and so's class" that need correcting. It is obvious to anybody with eyes and half a brain that Messi belongs in the same bracket of player as the other all-time greats.
But don't take my word for it, ask Johan Cruyff, Maradona, Ardilles or Jimmy Greaves -- players who were either great themselves or played against/alongside other greats. Even Pele, who would seemingly say that he is greater due to his world cup wins, acknoweldges that Messi is "practically the same level, technically" as him, which is quite a concession from an ego-maniac like Pele.
Arguments about who is definitively the best ever player can't ever be won, as it is almost impossible to compare the best from different eras.
But don't take my word for it, ask Johan Cruyff, Maradona, Ardilles or Jimmy Greaves -- players who were either great themselves or played against/alongside other greats. Even Pele, who would seemingly say that he is greater due to his world cup wins, acknoweldges that Messi is "practically the same level, technically" as him, which is quite a concession from an ego-maniac like Pele.
Arguments about who is definitively the best ever player can't ever be won, as it is almost impossible to compare the best from different eras.
Don't listen to JamDav, he's a clueless Barcelona obsessed mug, who masturbates to the Messi posters pinned to his ceiling every night. His sycophantic defence of Messi is truly vomit inducing.
Everyone knows Messi is a flat-track-bully, we see it in every major competition with Argentina and we saw it again against Milan the other day. He only plays well when everything is in his favour, as soon as it becomes anything like hard work he downs tools and doesn't want to know.
Everyone knows Messi is a flat-track-bully, we see it in every major competition with Argentina and we saw it again against Milan the other day. He only plays well when everything is in his favour, as soon as it becomes anything like hard work he downs tools and doesn't want to know.
Not fishing, just giving my honest opinion. Anyone who disputes that Messi has problems at international level is definitely fishing. His form dips to the extent that he is unrecognisable as the same player who excels against inferior opposition in La Liga and against lower class CL opposition. What happened in Milan, where was he? A useless performance just the same as his usual for Argentina.
Looks fantastic against Atletico blah blah and some random Scandinavian side in the CL
Looks fantastic against Atletico blah blah and some random Scandinavian side in the CL
the dza you're a clueless mug and a useless fisherman, so kindly stfu you clown.
Both are fantastic players but Maradona to me had the wow factor.
Messi is brilliant but there is just something not there that Diego had.
It's possible that because I'm older and more world-weary that I don't get as excited
about football like I used to.
Messi is brilliant but there is just something not there that Diego had.
It's possible that because I'm older and more world-weary that I don't get as excited
about football like I used to.
Exactly what problems does Messi have at international level?
How many times have you seen Messi play an international ? Be honest, now..
How many times have you seen Messi play an international ? Be honest, now..
John -- I think World Cups used to be more exciting as, for most people in those days, their only exposure to some of the world's best players would be in a few games, every four years or so. Maybe a handful more in big European games at club level. So players who were special and made an impression at those tournaments became the stuff of legend.
Nowadays, there is no mystique -- we see the top players all the time.
Nowadays, there is no mystique -- we see the top players all the time.
No not to me.
Does Messi beat people? I see him get it on his left foot and veer more and more left until he gets space to pass or shoot. Rarely actually beats a player one one one.
Lots of 1-2s and shuffling along to his left but nothing that makes one go wow.
Does Messi beat people? I see him get it on his left foot and veer more and more left until he gets space to pass or shoot. Rarely actually beats a player one one one.
Lots of 1-2s and shuffling along to his left but nothing that makes one go wow.
High Lander thinks Messi can't do it against good opposition, yet he has dominated against Man Utd and Real Madrid, and on more than one occasion -- two sides currently top of (arguably) the two best leagues in world football.
Hopefully, I am just being fished -- as opposed to Highlander having 'brain trouble'.
Hopefully, I am just being fished -- as opposed to Highlander having 'brain trouble'.
Messi was abject against Milan and is mediocre for Argentina, he only likes it when he is playing for Barca at home against inferior opposition. He once had a good game against Manu well woopie dooo, a one off game with the might of the all conquering Spanish international side making him look good. It's not enough, sorry. If he was truly in the class of Maradona he would do much more for Argentina and would have done much more the other day against Milan. He was rubbish!
Ok, I'm certain that you aren't brain-damaged, you are definitely fishing. Cap off, I have been in your net several times.
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Don't listen to JamDav, he's a clueless Barcelona obsessed mug, who masturbates to the Messi posters pinned to his ceiling every night. His sycophantic defence of Messi is truly vomit inducing.
Everyone knows Messi is a flat-track-bully, we see it in every major competition with Argentina and we saw it again against Milan the other day. He only plays well when everything is in his favour, as soon as it becomes anything like hard work he downs tools and doesn't want to know.
the dza
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Laugh Definitely brain damage.
agree
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Don't listen to JamDav, he's a clueless Barcelona obsessed mug, who masturbates to the Messi posters pinned to his ceiling every night. His sycophantic defence of Messi is truly vomit inducing.
Everyone knows Messi is a flat-track-bully, we see it in every major competition with Argentina and we saw it again against Milan the other day. He only plays well when everything is in his favour, as soon as it becomes anything like hard work he downs tools and doesn't want to know.
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Laugh Definitely brain damage.
agree
the dza is another messi fanboy who licks his Argie ass every chance he gets, yet another sycophantic ****.
Messi is a brilliant footballer but I'm doing my best to give reasons as to why Maradona may edge it.
I remember Maradona being man marked in his WCs by 2 or 3 at a time which freed up his teammates and he capitalised on this
A fantastic Brazil side who in no way would one describe as dirty nearly kicked him off the park and had the shirt torn of his back. These were the lengths teams went to and illustrate how feared DM was.
It's all zonal nowadays and Messi gets more room imo and no way gets the rough treatment DM did
I remember Maradona being man marked in his WCs by 2 or 3 at a time which freed up his teammates and he capitalised on this
A fantastic Brazil side who in no way would one describe as dirty nearly kicked him off the park and had the shirt torn of his back. These were the lengths teams went to and illustrate how feared DM was.
It's all zonal nowadays and Messi gets more room imo and no way gets the rough treatment DM did
*the blanked out word was common slang for prostitute, just so you know 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRVbe4ro1RM&feature=related
just watch that video and all will become obvious!
maradona wasnt this good!
just watch that video and all will become obvious!
maradona wasnt this good!
highlander - do you ever get anything right on this forum?
I think you are still heart broken from the way Messi has torn your side to bits in the CL the last couple of times they have met.
I think you are still heart broken from the way Messi has torn your side to bits in the CL the last couple of times they have met.
I thought that Messi did ok against Milan. Not sure which game you were watching if you thought him rubbish.
Maradona has roughly the same goal ratio, as Messi, at international level, and he was playing in a far better team.
Are you going to answer my quaestion. How many times have you seen Messi play at international level ?
Maradona has roughly the same goal ratio, as Messi, at international level, and he was playing in a far better team.
Are you going to answer my quaestion. How many times have you seen Messi play at international level ?
How do you know that buses? Apparently there's not enough evidence to judge Maradona on!
Don't you know that pre-sky days no player can be considered an all-time great due to lack of evidence!
Only last week Pele (only 10 hours of known footage of him exist) was placed behind Peter Crouch in the revised pecking order!
Don't you know that pre-sky days no player can be considered an all-time great due to lack of evidence!
Only last week Pele (only 10 hours of known footage of him exist) was placed behind Peter Crouch in the revised pecking order!
Seriously I saw maradona do one trick that left me feeling omg!
I'll try and describe it, I'm sure it was on youtube.
On the left wing jogging with the ball, on the touchline roughly 10 yards from byline, did one of those ronaldo/rivaldo things where he crossed his left leg behind his right to cross the ball into the box. We've seen this a few times since but he hit this ball hard and just above head height ,the sort of crosses strikers love.
Incredible.
I'll try and describe it, I'm sure it was on youtube.
On the left wing jogging with the ball, on the touchline roughly 10 yards from byline, did one of those ronaldo/rivaldo things where he crossed his left leg behind his right to cross the ball into the box. We've seen this a few times since but he hit this ball hard and just above head height ,the sort of crosses strikers love.
Incredible.
ilikewavingatbuses, don't be silly, Maradona could play at international level, Messi cant. Maradona took a mediocre Argentina and made them world beaters. Maradona took a mediocre Napoli side and made them Italian Champions back in the day when Italy had the best league in the world. He was fantastic in Italy when the Italian league was known to be the toughest league to score in...probably ever, it had the best defenders in the world. Who couldn't score in La Liga? Evan Andy Carrol would score 50 a season over there
Highlander showing his lack of knowledge as usual and trotting out the line about Maradona taking 'mediocre Napoli and Argentina' sides to victory.
Go and read up on it highlander before trotting out other peoples cliches that you have little clue about. Both Argentina and Napoli had strong squads you mug.
Go and read up on it highlander before trotting out other peoples cliches that you have little clue about. Both Argentina and Napoli had strong squads you mug.
I'm gunna backtrack a bit now. having seen buses clip, lm does beat 1 nor 2 players occasionally 
Only in your head Jam,
As ibra said when asked if messi could be as effective in seria A... 'if he can take the barcelona team with him'.
Its as clear as day what is going to happen, when barcelona fade as the force in world football as xavi and inestia retire messi's effectiveness will dip and the mugs will claim he peaked too early or some pish.
This is the best side the boy will play in. There will be no real drop in his quality, he just won't look quite as good and the mugs will misdiagnose as per.
Called it (nap)
As ibra said when asked if messi could be as effective in seria A... 'if he can take the barcelona team with him'.
Its as clear as day what is going to happen, when barcelona fade as the force in world football as xavi and inestia retire messi's effectiveness will dip and the mugs will claim he peaked too early or some pish.
This is the best side the boy will play in. There will be no real drop in his quality, he just won't look quite as good and the mugs will misdiagnose as per.
Called it (nap)
Well that was Ibrahimovic's view R0y but what did the real Roy Keane say before the game?
He said that Messi would be the greatest player in any team in any league in the world.
Different opinions.
He said that Messi would be the greatest player in any team in any league in the world.
Different opinions.
John -- it's not that a lack of footage means players weren't great. But most of the old greats get their best highlights played over and over for years afterwards, and when you only saw them a handful of times, their great games live in the memory.
Players like Messi and Ronaldo now, they have many great games and some poor ones too. But every minute is shown and analysed again and again; consqeuently, their great games don't become quite so legendary and their poor games are there for all to see.
Nobody thinks of Maradona and remembers the seasons where he got 11 league goals in 20 league games for Barca (not bad, but not earth-shattering) or his last season at Napoli, where he scored just 6 goals in 18 league games. People remember the World Cup, where he did great on TV. That's not to say that he wasn't a great player, but all of his average performances have faded from memory -- in most cases, there isn't even a memory of them because those games weren't on TV.
Players like Messi and Ronaldo now, they have many great games and some poor ones too. But every minute is shown and analysed again and again; consqeuently, their great games don't become quite so legendary and their poor games are there for all to see.
Nobody thinks of Maradona and remembers the seasons where he got 11 league goals in 20 league games for Barca (not bad, but not earth-shattering) or his last season at Napoli, where he scored just 6 goals in 18 league games. People remember the World Cup, where he did great on TV. That's not to say that he wasn't a great player, but all of his average performances have faded from memory -- in most cases, there isn't even a memory of them because those games weren't on TV.
Lets get something in perspective here, the current AC Milan side is very poor, they would be lucky to finish top 10 in EPL, and Messi couldn't play against THAT! He couldn't even get by one player, he was rubbish, really bad. In the 2nd half he was so bad it was embarrassing. He got nowhere, time and time again and looked like plug! Maradona would have had those Milan defenders on their derrier time and time again, he would have made a fool of them.
R0y -- the flipside is, he is the standout player in a team which has several world-class performers. Not Ibra when he was there, not Villa (two really excellent players). But Messi. He's the biggest fish in the biggest pond.
Highlander your stupidity knows no bounds.
What was Maradona's goal record in europe for Napoli? It was something like two goals from open play in twenty five games against some mug eastern european team.
If Maradona could do everything on his own why did he only win three league titles in a twenty year career
What was Maradona's goal record in europe for Napoli? It was something like two goals from open play in twenty five games against some mug eastern european team.
If Maradona could do everything on his own why did he only win three league titles in a twenty year career
" Maradona took a mediocre Argentina, and made them world beaters." What a mug.. Utterly clueless.
The fact that you have refused to answer the question, also makes you a mug.
. Utterly clueless.The fact that you have refused to answer the question, also makes you a mug.
He said that Messi would be the greatest player in any team in any league in the world.
I'm not arguing that...along with Ronaldo Messi clearly the best in the world.
My point, as has always been and as Ibra has spotted, is that people underestimate the impact of barcelona and in particular xavi and inestia on his level of performance/effectiveness.
When he plays for argentina he remains the best player in the world but he looks a pale comparison of the messi in a barcelona shirt. This is over how many years now?! I just think its funny that in messi's peak years there is a strong chance that people will think his performance levels are lower than they are now.
Anyhoo, as ever I point to the stars and you look at the tip of my finger.
I'm not arguing that...along with Ronaldo Messi clearly the best in the world.
My point, as has always been and as Ibra has spotted, is that people underestimate the impact of barcelona and in particular xavi and inestia on his level of performance/effectiveness.
When he plays for argentina he remains the best player in the world but he looks a pale comparison of the messi in a barcelona shirt. This is over how many years now?! I just think its funny that in messi's peak years there is a strong chance that people will think his performance levels are lower than they are now.
Anyhoo, as ever I point to the stars and you look at the tip of my finger.
No R0y he plays a much different role for Argentina than Brcelona and they dont look to him so much for goals as the one thing they have is goalscorers. He is there to create as a playmaker and wont get the same number of goals as he does for Barca.
Ronaldo also has a far poorer goalscoring rate for Portugal as does Rooney for England etc its not just Messi.
R0y you seem to point everything towards Xavi and Iniesta yet Messi continues to score for Barca when one or both are missing.
The most creative players out with Messi in La Liga this year are Di Maria and Ozil. Who do they play for and assisist each week?
Ronaldo also has a far poorer goalscoring rate for Portugal as does Rooney for England etc its not just Messi.
R0y you seem to point everything towards Xavi and Iniesta yet Messi continues to score for Barca when one or both are missing.
The most creative players out with Messi in La Liga this year are Di Maria and Ozil. Who do they play for and assisist each week?
Just looked back at some Maradona stuff on Youtube and I think you cant say for certain he is the best ever - but he is in that group of all time greats.
The 86 WC was special for me cos I watched every Argie game that year and Maradona delivered every time.
The 86 WC was special for me cos I watched every Argie game that year and Maradona delivered every time.
Jamdav what inane drivel are you going on about now? It looks like you have plucked some obscure stat, probably the only one you could find that make Maradona look bad, you hopeless desperate Messi bum boy
Interesting Jam -- when Maradona was at Barca, they finished 4th and 3rd. He did have a bad time with injury and illness, but still managed 20 and 16 league appearances respectively.
His first season at Napoli, they finished 8th. And that was the season where he made his highest number of league appearances for them, 30 apps.
2nd season, they finished 3rd
3rd season, they finished 1st.
4th season, they finished 2nd.
5th season, they finished 2nd.
6th season, they finished 1st.
7th and final season, they finished 8th.
Then he had a 15 month ban, they finished 4th without him.
His first season at Napoli, they finished 8th. And that was the season where he made his highest number of league appearances for them, 30 apps.
2nd season, they finished 3rd
3rd season, they finished 1st.
4th season, they finished 2nd.
5th season, they finished 2nd.
6th season, they finished 1st.
7th and final season, they finished 8th.
Then he had a 15 month ban, they finished 4th without him.
Highlander as I thought, you have no rational argument to come back with and come out with inane drivel.
Who does Arsene Wenger think is the greatest ever?
Who does Arsene Wenger think is the greatest ever?
Greatest player ever was rubbish against a mediocre side like AC Milan, utterly hopeless, he looked like a plug
JamDav, is brainless steals my phrase because he is a witless buffoon 
high-lander tell us about the best two or three players for Argentna in 1986 besides Maradona?
How about the best to or three players for Napoli in the late eighties?
I doubt you know one name outwith Maradona.
How about the best to or three players for Napoli in the late eighties?
I doubt you know one name outwith Maradona.
Arsene knows?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJ9hexX_3c
go to 47 seconds in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJ9hexX_3c
go to 47 seconds in...
the dza, sniping from the side-lines like an angry chimpanzee
All in all, a dreadfully embarrassing hour or so for high lander.
Care to answer my last question highlander?
Or as per usual are you going to avoid backing up one of your clue less statements?
Or as per usual are you going to avoid backing up one of your clue less statements?
Messi couldn't make a dent in one of the worst AC MIlan sides ever...what a poor display. But no doubt he will be brilliant at Camp Nou when everything is in his favour. I can see him dancing about the box with unlimited possession, showboating, while being fed by the great Barca midfield, commentators in frenzy. I feel like vomitting right now 
A young Scotsman stand alone at the window of a small, dingy room. The only light from within is that of a computer screen, where a single video plays over and over again. Peering into the distance, his vision obscured by tears, he tries to make sense of the footage he has just seen; indeed, he wishes that he had never watched it.
The young Scot turns abruptly and faces his bed, a single, which fiils most of the small room.
"Why?!" he screams, frantically beating at his bed clothes and pillow case, which are adorned in the club emblems of THE Arsenal. He tears at the crumbling walls, ripping down posters of his heroes -- the betrayal consuming his soul, leaving a void that must be filled with rage...and then angst.
The noise of the video becomes greater, the clip still playing over and over. An elderly man is on the screen, his face growing larger as the camera zooms in with each repetition. The question and answer, growing ever louder; the image, growing ever larger.
"Who is the best player of all-time?"
"Lionel Messi."
"Who is the best player of all-time?"
"Lionel Messi."
"Who is the best player of all-time?"
"Lionel Messi."
The young Scot turns abruptly and faces his bed, a single, which fiils most of the small room.
"Why?!" he screams, frantically beating at his bed clothes and pillow case, which are adorned in the club emblems of THE Arsenal. He tears at the crumbling walls, ripping down posters of his heroes -- the betrayal consuming his soul, leaving a void that must be filled with rage...and then angst.
The noise of the video becomes greater, the clip still playing over and over. An elderly man is on the screen, his face growing larger as the camera zooms in with each repetition. The question and answer, growing ever louder; the image, growing ever larger.
"Who is the best player of all-time?"
"Lionel Messi."
"Who is the best player of all-time?"
"Lionel Messi."
"Who is the best player of all-time?"
"Lionel Messi."
Glad you take it in good spirit highlander.Your mob are on in a minute, I'll be flicking between that and the Chelsea game hoping you both drop points! No doubt we'll continue this debate/p1ssing about another time. Catch you later, gentlemen.
Fair play, I'll give the dza his due for making with the funny... made me laugh.
look at the league tables, barca scored nearly 100 goals in less than 30 matches, all told scored probably 150 plus, best used to score 25 goals a season, when teams scored only around 60 goals, no wonder messi scoring so much, but please dont get me wrong messi is a wonderful player, but the op asked is messi the greatest footballer ever , no.
Messi is the main reason they have scored so many! He is by far and away the top goalscorer and has the most assists in the team.
Look at the Spain team which are basically Barca without Messi. They scored something like 5 goals in 7 games during the World Cup.
Look at the Spain team which are basically Barca without Messi. They scored something like 5 goals in 7 games during the World Cup.
Hi MUG signing in, so the clowns on here think messi is the best player the world has ever seen? apologies please.
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