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Saturday 11th February sees 8th place Sunderland host 6th place Arsenal at the stadium of light. The remarkable job Martin O’Neill is doing at Sunderland continued in the week as he guided his side into the 6th round of the FA Cup. Sunderland have lost just one of their last 11 games in all competitions, and have lost just 2 in 13 in under Martin O’Neill.
This has seen Sunderland top the Premier League form table with 6 wins, 1 draw and 1 lose in their last 8 games whereas Arsenal have 3 wins, 2 draws and 3 loses. Sunderland’s home record stands at 5 wins, 4 draws and 3 losses, but they have just one loss in their last 10 home league games. Arsenal’s away record stands at 4 wins, 2 draws and 6 losses, and they are without a win in their last 3 away games.
Taking all this in to account I think the 1.87 available for Sunderland on the asian handicap at + 0.5 with Betfair seems very generous. So if Sunderland win or draw it’s a winning bet.
Team News:
Sunderland:
Loan signings Wayne Bridge and Sotirios Kyrgiakos return to the Sunderland squad.
The former England full-back and the Greece central defender were ineligible for Wednesday's FA Cup fourth-round replay victory at Middlesbrough having not arrived on Wearside in time to be registered, although striker Nicklas Bendtner cannot play against his parent club under the terms of his loan agreement.
Defender Matt Kilgallon has returned to training after an ankle injury, but he is short of match fitness after five games on the sidelines, while Lee Cattermole (hamstring), David Vaughan (ankle), Wes Brown (knee) and Titus Bramble (Achilles/calf) are still out.
Possible Lineups:
Mignolet,
Bardsley, O'Shea, Turner, Richardson,
Larsson, Gardner, Colback, McClean,
Campbell, Sessègnon
Arsenal:
Arsenal could have defender Kieran Gibbs back in the squad after his recovery from groin problems.
Striker Marouane Chamakh has returned from the African Nations Cup, but Gervinho remains away as Ivory Coast prepare for the final.
Defenders Carl Jenkinson (back) and Andre Santos (ankle) are still out, along with midfielders Abou Diaby (hamstring) and Jack Wilshere (ankle). Emmanuel Frimpong has returned from his loan spell at Wolves, but will be out for the rest of the season after needing surgery on his knee.
Possible Lineups:
Szczesny,
Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Verm'len,
Walcott, Song, Arteta; Ramsey, Chamberlain,
Van Persie
Last 6 games (league):
Sunderland: WWWLWW
Arsenal: WDLLLW
Prediction: Sunderland 2 – 1 Arsenal
My Pick: Sunderland Win or Draw at 1.87 (13/15)
Outside Bet: Jack Colback to score first at 41 (40/1)
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This has seen Sunderland top the Premier League form table with 6 wins, 1 draw and 1 lose in their last 8 games whereas Arsenal have 3 wins, 2 draws and 3 loses. Sunderland’s home record stands at 5 wins, 4 draws and 3 losses, but they have just one loss in their last 10 home league games. Arsenal’s away record stands at 4 wins, 2 draws and 6 losses, and they are without a win in their last 3 away games.
Taking all this in to account I think the 1.87 available for Sunderland on the asian handicap at + 0.5 with Betfair seems very generous. So if Sunderland win or draw it’s a winning bet.
Team News:
Sunderland:
Loan signings Wayne Bridge and Sotirios Kyrgiakos return to the Sunderland squad.
The former England full-back and the Greece central defender were ineligible for Wednesday's FA Cup fourth-round replay victory at Middlesbrough having not arrived on Wearside in time to be registered, although striker Nicklas Bendtner cannot play against his parent club under the terms of his loan agreement.
Defender Matt Kilgallon has returned to training after an ankle injury, but he is short of match fitness after five games on the sidelines, while Lee Cattermole (hamstring), David Vaughan (ankle), Wes Brown (knee) and Titus Bramble (Achilles/calf) are still out.
Possible Lineups:
Mignolet,
Bardsley, O'Shea, Turner, Richardson,
Larsson, Gardner, Colback, McClean,
Campbell, Sessègnon
Arsenal:
Arsenal could have defender Kieran Gibbs back in the squad after his recovery from groin problems.
Striker Marouane Chamakh has returned from the African Nations Cup, but Gervinho remains away as Ivory Coast prepare for the final.
Defenders Carl Jenkinson (back) and Andre Santos (ankle) are still out, along with midfielders Abou Diaby (hamstring) and Jack Wilshere (ankle). Emmanuel Frimpong has returned from his loan spell at Wolves, but will be out for the rest of the season after needing surgery on his knee.
Possible Lineups:
Szczesny,
Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Verm'len,
Walcott, Song, Arteta; Ramsey, Chamberlain,
Van Persie
Last 6 games (league):
Sunderland: WWWLWW
Arsenal: WDLLLW
Prediction: Sunderland 2 – 1 Arsenal
My Pick: Sunderland Win or Draw at 1.87 (13/15)
Outside Bet: Jack Colback to score first at 41 (40/1)
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Sorry if I find the idea of someone who makes Arsenal a 7/4 shot to win at Sunderland being the same person who has supposedly made the best part of a million on here a little unbelievable... whilst claiming he is soon going to another exchange where the liquidity is a tiny fraction of what it is here...must be just my suspicious mind I guess...
Sorry, how is "playing live" cheating exactly, can you explain that comment? Are you meaning horse racing?
Posted quickly enough for me, with no flaws, for me to believe it. Normally, people who post fake stuff, they'll forget what the clock on their pc says and it won't tally with when they say they took the screenshot.
Chop's all tallies with when he asked me how to post a screenshot -- and he doesn't seem like a faker. Obviously, we can never know for sure, but I don't get the billy bullsh1t vibe.
I made my own fake screenshot to prove to someone that it could be done, coz that person was adament that it couldn't (for some, strange rason).
Some people have to win -- and it looks like Chop is one of them. If he'd like to share with me how, I'd be most grateful!
Chop's all tallies with when he asked me how to post a screenshot -- and he doesn't seem like a faker. Obviously, we can never know for sure, but I don't get the billy bullsh1t vibe.
I made my own fake screenshot to prove to someone that it could be done, coz that person was adament that it couldn't (for some, strange rason).
Some people have to win -- and it looks like Chop is one of them. If he'd like to share with me how, I'd be most grateful!
So actually going to the event and watching it live to help you bet more effectively is cheating?
That's a somewhat strange view, if you don't mind me saying so
That's a somewhat strange view, if you don't mind me saying so
I have one with coral, the first people I ever gambled with. Apart from that, I don't have any.
what laying a horse thats fallen with a 5 second advantage is not cheating
backing a horse that already crossed the line when you arre 4-7 secs behind is not cheating
backing a horse that already crossed the line when you arre 4-7 secs behind is not cheating
If it was really as simple as that, why wouldn't everyone do it (including you?)
go to any racetrack and there is a room with people doing exactly that and the good ones pay 40-60 commision to betfair,i dont need to because i pick winners b4 the event bet untill the pictures are in real time you will always have track side hoovers
betfair will pimp around 10 million from them this year
if you back a horse thats 10 clear at the last at say 1.03 and you had 10k on it with a 5 sec delay the time you see it fall your money would be gone
and betfair would pimp 40-60% of that from the winner
and betfair would pimp 40-60% of that from the winner
So you don't bet during any event at all?
Fair enough. Must say speaking as someone who makes a profit but not a huge one, it would make sense to do that if you were able as it would be basically risk free!
Fair enough. Must say speaking as someone who makes a profit but not a huge one, it would make sense to do that if you were able as it would be basically risk free!
well football is ok in the uk etc etc you are in real time so i wouldnt worry about that and i doubt you bet horses in running,
its never risk free as people on track call early and get it wrong but the best will win and pay the betfair pimps 40-60%
its never risk free as people on track call early and get it wrong but the best will win and pay the betfair pimps 40-60%
And if you've made that much money that pc is (or soon will be) an issue, why on earth can't you get some mates to get bets on for you instead? Heck, I'd be happy to do it for you myself if that is really the case
Yes, you'd get the odd one wrong...but basically long term it would be effectively risk free, no?
you can make risk free money all day long if you can get enough bookies accounts.
to be honest since last year i have changed how i bet and am mostly purple i can get on like i said dont bet massive so its np you dont need to bet big to win big you just need to be consistent.
yes thats why you see 10 -20 people in the box at the races on wireless and they pay the racecourse for the boxes right little mafia thing they got going
to be honest since last year i have changed how i bet and am mostly purple i can get on like i said dont bet massive so its np you dont need to bet big to win big you just need to be consistent.
yes thats why you see 10 -20 people in the box at the races on wireless and they pay the racecourse for the boxes right little mafia thing they got going
Rosie, you are a mug if you believe Arsenal are a good price here. I really don't think you're suited to this Betfair thing.
Feb 10, 2012 -- 9:52PM, Rosie47 wrote:
If Gibbs is back, that's Arsenal first choice defence available for the first time in month, which should make them odds on.
Surely one of the most idiotic posts I've ever seen on these forums.
Well, a quick calculation from those figures would mean you win well over a grand a week, can't see how you would get that from small stakes unless you do literally hundreds of bets each day!
to be honest the best Arsenal 11 wouldnt be odds on against many teams in this league, Arsenal have a lot to prove if they are to challenge for top4 and the next 6 games will tell us the whole story rosie is right that without the full backs the form is almost worthless untill they get a settled 11 as they did play ok when they had 2 full backs in fact it all went wrong for them when sagna came off against spurs at 1-1
Feb 10, 2012 -- 11:26PM, ch000pin wrote:
easy sofa you and i could be wrong
Maybe Arseanal will win but I believe the price is far too short. There's not a huge difference between those two teams at the moment.
rosie im full time 6 days a week i am selective i hardly pay any comm becuse i dont bet like a madman
So how many bets do you place on average each day or week? And is it all footy or dogs?
Feb 10, 2012 -- 11:33PM, tobermory wrote:
I make Arsenal 1.95
wow.
see everbody has a price in ther heads its how you react to that price and how good your strike rate is that determines if you win long term
for me its a def no bet game the emergance of the ox and a right back gives them a chance
but i see no value in 2.12 i will find many bets with bttr value for sure plus i hate betting
on my team or against them
but i see no value in 2.12 i will find many bets with bttr value for sure plus i hate betting
on my team or against them
I think Sunderland are a great price at 3.9 or on the asian handicap mentioned by BetfairMike above. And I've taken a lot of cash off deluded Arseanal backers this season so far.
plus i have been so impressed with sunderland since the irish one took over they have played with great energy pace and belief and they could have beat chelsea as well as city.
People getting carried away with Sunderland's recent form i think.
Everytime i've seen them lately, every shot flies in the top corner, don't think they are playing teams off the pitch. Can't see them sustaining it. Sessengong looks a very good player and could walk into most sides but still predominantly a journeyman team
I expect they'll finish bottom half still.
Though i could be wrong .
Everytime i've seen them lately, every shot flies in the top corner, don't think they are playing teams off the pitch. Can't see them sustaining it. Sessengong looks a very good player and could walk into most sides but still predominantly a journeyman team
I expect they'll finish bottom half still.
Though i could be wrong .
Have you watched all of there last 4 league games tobes i have and they have been impressive
You see, that doesn't make sense, in a previous post, you say they should be 7/4 in your book. But with the price at 2.12 (miles shorter than your tissue) you claim it a "def no bet game"
For a professional gambler, with all due respect, that is nonsensical.
No offence btw.
For a professional gambler, with all due respect, that is nonsensical.
No offence btw.
like i said ill find better things to play on if i bet on a 1000 matches a year i would lay arsenal for sure but i dont, last big footie bet i had was sunderland to beat wigan at 3.0
Arsenal have a lot to prove away from home, tell you what though i might be going against spurs in the next few weeks the season is catching up on them and any more injuries and they could be in trouble i may even lay them for top four b4 the arsenal game if arsenal show me something
Not all of them no, though at least higlights. They don't create that many chances, they have have just scored from most of them (other than at Chelsea where they were unlucky) .
If you only bet on 10 games per year you should lay arsenal.
If you made a dog or a horse 7/4 and it was 11/10 you'd be laying it all day long, why is a football team any different? As a pro, you would lay them, not even debatable.
If you made a dog or a horse 7/4 and it was 11/10 you'd be laying it all day long, why is a football team any different? As a pro, you would lay them, not even debatable.
because i lay and bet 1000 of dog horses a year i am ultra selective on my football bets because i bet bigger on them
When you say "ultra selective", do you mean you require a bigger margin than getting 11/10 on a 7/4 chance? How often does that happen?!? 
Its not about margin for me rosie i watch 3-4 games live on the net a weekend i am heavily in to tactics and formations and the players that play on the day and the current team sprit etc etc
when i first started on flutter i ued to price up all the games on flutter thats when you play your tissue price but if you have a few bets a year it becomes more of a feeling thing.
when i first started on flutter i ued to price up all the games on flutter thats when you play your tissue price but if you have a few bets a year it becomes more of a feeling thing.
actually i am a eyes gambler not a stats one i am a video watcher of horses dogs and a watcher of football games that may explain it better to you.
Feb 10, 2012 -- 11:56PM, ch000pin wrote:
Its not about margin for me rosie i watch 3-4 games live on the net a weekend i am heavily in to tactics and formations and the players that play on the day and the current team sprit etc etcwhen i first started on flutter i ued to price up all the games on flutter thats when you play your tissue price but if you have a few bets a year it becomes more of a feeling thing.
ch000pin = legend
your not that guy from flutter who used to always go on top of my prices are you i hated flutter for that if you offered 21-20 somebody could go 43-40
anyways im off nice talking to you 2.12 not for me to bet for sure lets hope arsenal win 5-0 and you are on
I'm not even going to pretend to understand. I don't profess to be a professional or anything like it, but if I see something which I make 7/4 trading at 11/10 I'm placing a huge lay as would virtually anyone. Whether I placed a few bets, it was a part time job or I bet on 100 games, whether I watched them or not.
It's basic maths and common sense.
It's basic maths and common sense.
Regardless of that, nice talking to you also and feel free to pass on any bets, especially 8/1 shots trading at 4/9 
Feb 11, 2012 -- 12:10AM, Rosie47 wrote:
Regardless of that, nice talking to you also and feel free to pass on any bets, especially 8/1 shots trading at 4/9
what's the 8/1 shots trading at 4/9?
many years ago i did the tissue for a track a bitch 2nd run back out of season who ran on the rails ran very well when the track had favoured the outside runners in one of the later races.
She had been 3 grades better and was spot on out of season i think she was a45 class anyways she was in a a7 in trap 1 with a fast starter in trap 2 who moved off at the bnd also it was winter
and in the first race 730 i knew the track would have a massive inside bias,opened the post and it was 8-1 so my people got as much on as we could the bookie opened it 8s and i was putting up 5ers and tenners on here at 10s just to make sure nobody would shorten it up at the track.
It led out of the boxes 2 turned right and it won by 8 lgns.when i spoke to the bookie friend RIP
TM earlier in the evening he used to get 2 tissues one from me and one from someone else the other guy made it 6s or 8s i said to the bookie 4-9 8 bar and we laughed about it.
She had been 3 grades better and was spot on out of season i think she was a45 class anyways she was in a a7 in trap 1 with a fast starter in trap 2 who moved off at the bnd also it was winter
and in the first race 730 i knew the track would have a massive inside bias,opened the post and it was 8-1 so my people got as much on as we could the bookie opened it 8s and i was putting up 5ers and tenners on here at 10s just to make sure nobody would shorten it up at the track.
It led out of the boxes 2 turned right and it won by 8 lgns.when i spoke to the bookie friend RIP
TM earlier in the evening he used to get 2 tissues one from me and one from someone else the other guy made it 6s or 8s i said to the bookie 4-9 8 bar and we laughed about it.
not an easy read though.
they were still out at 720 with me screaming down the phone at them
first race crayford 1038 sat morning like trap 2 3-1 in the paper that is a good price 5 was better class b4 but gets left at the start if i get 3-1 im gonna back 2 and have 5-2sfc just to cover my stake.
Thanks, mugs who are pushing the price out, very generous of you 
None taken, I've been called worse...water of a ducks back
Well we will see who the mugs are at the end of the game
Sunderland Team
Mignolet, Bardsley, Richardson, O’Shea, Turner, Larsson, McClean, Colback, Gardner, Sessegnon, Campbell.
SUBS: Bridge, Wickham, Dong-won, Meyl,er Kyrgiakos, Elmohamady, Westwood.
Arsenal Team
Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Vermaelen, Song, Arteta, Rosicky, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Van Persie.
SUBS: Fabianski, Gibbs, Coquelin, Ramsey, Arshavin, Benayoun, Henry.
Mignolet, Bardsley, Richardson, O’Shea, Turner, Larsson, McClean, Colback, Gardner, Sessegnon, Campbell.
SUBS: Bridge, Wickham, Dong-won, Meyl,er Kyrgiakos, Elmohamady, Westwood.
Arsenal Team
Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Vermaelen, Song, Arteta, Rosicky, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Van Persie.
SUBS: Fabianski, Gibbs, Coquelin, Ramsey, Arshavin, Benayoun, Henry.
http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-2/16/58/v-365948.html
Not great unfortunately
Not great unfortunately
Most of them have been raided and shut down over the last week or two.
Sunderland look like they're defending an aggregate lead. Got to love Martin O'Neill and his anti football. Just hoping for that one counter that produces an own goal in the 90th minute.
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