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Report xmoneyx February 7, 2012 2:52 PM GMT
jury out

i think before 5pm
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 2:53 PM GMT
probably yes, the jury are have been out for a couple of hours now.
Report xcahax0rx February 7, 2012 2:54 PM GMT
He'll only get a fine I expect.
Report jason-dodd February 7, 2012 2:55 PM GMT
I can tell you the verdict of the Betfair forum:

Guilty: Correct

Not Guilty: He only got off because it's good old Arry'.
Report xmoneyx February 7, 2012 2:55 PM GMT
40k fine


even-stevens Grin
Report mafeking February 7, 2012 2:56 PM GMT
doubt it. courts don't often carry on beyond about 4 and 3 hours today including lunch isn't very long.

tomorrow heavy odds on for me
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
Forum braced for meltdown if he gets off.
Report xmoneyx February 7, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
could be a split---one let off/other guilty
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
i don't think it can be xmoneyx
Report Geesyerdosh February 7, 2012 3:04 PM GMT
GOING BY THE JUDGES COMMENTS TO THE JURY HE'S A CERT TO GET OFF
Report xmoneyx February 7, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
what was judges comments?
Report buzzer February 7, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
I expected the prosecution to have far more substantial evidence than they've shown to prove guilt, I'd expect a not guilty from everything I've seen and heard presented. Just my opinion on matters though.
Report buzzer February 7, 2012 3:09 PM GMT
He said that they were of previous good character and should be believed basically.
Report kotk February 7, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
He will get off, its a difficult one but agree with buzzer
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
agree buzzer.
Report Geesyerdosh February 7, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
YEAH BASICALLY SAID LET THEM OFF YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE
Report xmoneyx February 7, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
prosecution case was NOTW

lucky timing
Report billy February 7, 2012 3:24 PM GMT
You're so right, xmoneyx
Report Trisons_Star February 7, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
4/6 he gets off

11/8 found guilty
Report Geesyerdosh February 7, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
4/6?

MORE LIKE 1/6
Report mtoto2 February 7, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
money talks , redknapp walks.
Report The Prophet Of Profit February 7, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
http://oi41.tinypic.com/keyc6x.jpg - Odds

Am taking punts if you fancy it. Money up front.
Report diktat February 7, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
there is no smoking gun and no concrete proof of deliberately avoiding tax
Report diktat February 7, 2012 3:43 PM GMT
2.6 not guilty is massive!!!
Report The Prophet Of Profit February 7, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
It has been backed.  I was 3.75 initially.
Report pixie February 7, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
A monkey on guilty at 2.6, pls.Wink
Report The Prophet Of Profit February 7, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
Down to 2.25 now. Lot of sharp money for it.
Report mafeking February 7, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
sent home for the night
Report xmoneyx February 7, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
is that good/bad for not guilty verdict?
Report mafeking February 7, 2012 4:27 PM GMT
if they'd have come back this afternoon would have been definite not guilty.

don't get many juries coming back after only a few hours.

judge all but directed for an acquittal emphasing the good character of the defendants
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 4:28 PM GMT
If I was on the jury I'd have been angling for one more day off work. #justsaying ;-)
Report Geesyerdosh February 7, 2012 4:30 PM GMT
AGREE WITH RF DAY OFF WORK MOST LIKELY SCENARIO

DO THEY GET PUT UP IN A HOTEL OR GO HOME? MAY BE ANOTHER REASON
Report diktat February 7, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
judge also wants unanimous verdict.  surely one of them will be a closet spurs fan.  the judge has practically ordered a not guilty verdict for Arry.
Report DONMECOBS February 7, 2012 5:36 PM GMT
agree on judges comments... will get not guilty!!! less theres a gooner on jury making a stand for guilty
Report bornisthekingofSB February 7, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
OJ simpson got off so harry is 1.01 the loveable rogue
Report seanjames February 7, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
the fact that the defence spend very little time on their summing up tells you their confidence in their case
Report Happy Valley February 7, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
not guilty, it's a good thing!
Report Rosie47 February 7, 2012 6:19 PM GMT
All being above board, I'd go 1.01 guilty, where do people think this offshore account in the name of his dog appeared from, and it's just a fantastic coincedence that no tax was paid on the money which was in it? Really?!?

Only thing I am worried about is that we could get a repeat of the Gerrard affair when it was 100% certain that he assaulted that bloke in the nightclub, but needless to say the chance of a Liverpool jury finding their most famous player guilty is about the same as San Marino winning the next world cup!

I can't believe some of the comments on here, do people actually believe the "I have no idea what I'm doing financially, can't even fill out a teamsheet or write properly" cobblers? ShockedShocked
Report mexicano February 7, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
it seems to me that if the geezer who gave him the money has told harry  that tax had already been paid on it then that lets harry off the hook, unless the prosecution can prove that the money came from somewhere else and tax hadn't been paid on it.

even then the crown has to prove that #arry knew it was iffy money.

the fact that he put the money in a spurious name is neither here nor there as far as i can see.
Report Rosie47 February 7, 2012 6:31 PM GMT
What reason does someone have for an offshore account other than to avoid tax Confused
Report mexicano February 7, 2012 6:33 PM GMT
you got any bank accounts that your wife dosen't know about?
Report bbc2 February 7, 2012 6:38 PM GMT
if he doesnt get banged up it sends out the wrong message
Report Rosie47 February 7, 2012 6:42 PM GMT
No, I'm not married, as it happens. If I was I can assure you that I wouldn't have an account in a jurisdiction which is famous for their, shall we say "flexible" arrangements with a client who wants to avoid the attentions of HMRC.
Report mafeking February 7, 2012 6:43 PM GMT
rosie, funny you'd should mention gerrard. the same fella that got gerrard off just happens to be arry's brief in this case too.
Report Rosie47 February 7, 2012 6:44 PM GMT
I could have got gerrard off, as could anyone who represented him. Did you seriously imagine he could be found guilty in a liverpool court Confused
Report mexicano February 7, 2012 6:47 PM GMT
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if he doesnt get banged up it sends out the wrong message
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well; i reckon if the evidence isn't there to convict him it would send out a terrible message were he to get done.
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 6:47 PM GMT
bbc2 you're assuming he gets found guilty.
Report I_McHunt_Pro-Punter February 7, 2012 6:50 PM GMT
I'M GONNA GO FOR A NOT GUILTY VERDICT

THE PROSECUTION'S CASE SEEMS TO REVOLVE AROUND THAT OFFSHORE BANK ACCOUNT, FFS WE ALL HAVE ACCOUNTS ABROAD NAMED AFTER OUR PETS, WELL MY FELLOW PROS DO ANYWAY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
Report grumpyjim February 7, 2012 6:59 PM GMT
said all along , poor case by  prosecution , not even a  a knuckle  was  wrapped,  well done  arry  ,,,, the best thing you get from  managers ,  is a  odd 1  or 2  days  grace to  watch  their teams  performing . At least harry put  150 k in bank for  youth footie , anybody  else do  this  ?............man appears to more than compensate for any  wrong  doing , ats off to arry    well done  ...
Report the.mad.dog.man February 7, 2012 7:05 PM GMT
street partys all over tottenham tomorrow all welcome
Report I_McHunt_Pro-Punter February 7, 2012 7:08 PM GMT
HARRY'S STREET PARTY, WILL THAT BE TAX DEDUCTABLE ?
Report themover February 7, 2012 7:14 PM GMT
"in his legal directions, the judge said the jury could not find Redknapp guilty and at the same time acquit Mr Mandaric"

Confused
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 7:18 PM GMT
and vice versa themover
Report grumpyjim February 7, 2012 7:19 PM GMT
ATS OFF TO ARRY PARTY   ................................NEXT ENGERLAND  MANAGER  ...DOING IT  FOR  NOWT  ,,,,,,A GENTLEMAN  OF THE  KNIGHT  .................MAYBE A  SIR  ARRY   ...A FEW  KNIGHT HOODS  SPARE  FOR HIM  ?????????  A JOB  ADVISER TO  H.M.R.   NO  THATS TOOK IT  TOOO FAR ???
Report diktat February 7, 2012 7:19 PM GMT
it doesnt matter if he opened an account abroad.  even if the prosecution proved that the money related to an employment related bonus, contrary to what MM says, they have to prove that Arry knew that no tax was paid on it.  when we get paid by our employers we assume that they have paid the tax, Arry cant be expected to know if it has or hasnt been paid.  if it was not employment related its upto MM what he does with his money including setting up a fund for Arry to invest.  Will be amazed if Arry was found guilty but cant be sure sbout MM.
Report mafeking February 7, 2012 7:21 PM GMT
think it's cos mandaric told redknapp tax had already been paid on the money in the monaco account. hence mandaric could be found guilty while redknapp not guilty
Report Rosie47 February 7, 2012 7:21 PM GMT
"Arry cant be expected to know if it has or hasnt been paid."

Well I dunno about you, but it says on my payslip that tax has been deducted. Is it different for football managers Confused
Report themover February 7, 2012 7:21 PM GMT
I don't understand why one cannot be found guilty if the other is acquitted? It's the individuals responsibility to make accurate tax declarations not those of the employer.
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 7:23 PM GMT
well Mandaric and Redknapp claim the monies weren't paid in relation to his job as Portsmouth football manager, the prosecution believe it was and that's where we're at.
Report themover February 7, 2012 7:23 PM GMT
oh I see Regular Fries. What are they saying it was paid for?
Report grumpyjim February 7, 2012 7:23 PM GMT
Footie clubs alredy under investigation regards  ....EXPENSES  ...in an 183  part  questionair  from revenue  .............. arry better watch  the  party  job,  and keep  receipts  for future  .....not get off twice ...????????????
Report RAPS February 7, 2012 7:24 PM GMT
Lester piggott 3 years
Steffi Graf`s dad 4 years
Wesley Snipes 3 years
Boris Becker jammy fecker got away with a big fine
Sophia Loren 30 days

Harry Redknapp ?  deserves to do time but probably won`t IMO
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 7:25 PM GMT
I think he'll get acquitted RAPS, so the 'sentence' element won't even come into it.
Report themover February 7, 2012 7:28 PM GMT
"Redknapp believed he was entitled to the money in addition to an initial payment of the same amount, which equated to five per cent of Portsmouth’s net profit on the deal."

That sounds to me like an employer to employee agreement to me?
Report themover February 7, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
oh but then :

"Both men deny the charges, and have told the court the payments were an investment made by Mandaric on Redknapp’s behalf as “an unrelated personal gesture”
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
That's in relation to a bonus on the sale of Peter Crouch, which is what the prosecution claim was the payment in the Monaco bank account.

The defence claims that money wasn't anything to do with that but monies paid by Mandaric to Redknapp for investments.
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
yes, that's right mover.
Report Pounf February 7, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
It seems to me that the argument that he doesnt need the money as he`s so well off so why would he do it doesnt hold water.
As somebody at work today said,. you may have had a thousand BJ`s but you never say no to another one
Report themover February 7, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
so like a gift?
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 7:32 PM GMT
It doesn't pounf but why risk an STD for one more ****?
Report themover February 7, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
Laugh
Report Regular Fries February 7, 2012 7:35 PM GMT
like i say, i don't think it's a paricularly strong prosecution
Report diktat February 7, 2012 10:47 PM GMT
what actually happened to that money in the end?  was it transferred to the US like MM said it was for? if there is no documentation to say this money related to employment I dont know how the prosecution can prove its case. was one of the payments exactly 50% of the expected commission he was expecting for Crouch? If my boss was my best mate and he gave my 5K, why would any tax be paid.
Report Reg Blood February 8, 2012 2:58 AM GMT
I've got an offshore bank account, but I do live in the Channel Islands.
Report nbdbscms February 8, 2012 10:18 AM GMT
Prosecution evidence very poor,surprised that it went to court-must be not guilty.That does not mean to say they are innocent-I am sure the vast majority will think they are 100% guilty.I know what I think!!
Report Regular Fries February 8, 2012 10:29 AM GMT
Yes, I maintain my stance that I think he will be acquitted. Would be very surprised if he was found guilty based on that prosecution.
Report Can't Catch Me February 8, 2012 10:35 AM GMT
I am amazed all the fuss there has been, for such a small matter. I expected evasion on a gargantuan scale. Seems highly unlikely to me he will be found guilty.

If he was 'at it', then I cant believe he would only have done it this one time, for this relatively paltry amount.
Report kenilworth February 8, 2012 10:40 AM GMT
I agree but it's the high profile personality in the dock.
A bit like the politician getting his wife to take the 3 points
for him. It's good copy as they say.
Report diktat February 8, 2012 10:40 AM GMT
prosecution clutching at straws.  FA also praying for not guilty verdict so they can chuck out Capello and appoint Arry part time until the end of the season before he takes over full time.
Report ozzie February 8, 2012 10:43 AM GMT
case was supposed to be over yesterday Capello has his meeting today Coincidence?

If found guilty I think will  get prison after the way they have been putting MPs in clink for expenses
Report diktat February 8, 2012 10:58 AM GMT
you cant compare MPs to a football manager......
Report diktat February 8, 2012 11:39 AM GMT
cleared as expected.  amazed that it got to court.  Arry for England
Report noidea February 8, 2012 11:40 AM GMT
Not guilty!
Report donny osmond February 8, 2012 11:41 AM GMT
capello in danger now
Report clacton February 8, 2012 12:02 PM GMT
Did they say whether the payments showed up on Portsmouth's accounts. Surely that would prove whether it was a personal gift to Redknapp or not.
Report nbdbscms February 8, 2012 12:10 PM GMT
Think this case has still done huge harm to his chance of getting England job.
Report Pounf February 8, 2012 12:10 PM GMT
Yorkshire Ripper gutted he didnt get the same judge and jury.
Report Regular Fries February 8, 2012 12:11 PM GMT
Rumour has it it cost taxpayers £8m for this trial. Plain
Report what do i do now? February 8, 2012 12:16 PM GMT
8m quid?????

im not that well up on this legal nonsense, so bit of help, please.

does that mean that redknapp and mandaric would have been liable for the prosecution costs (ie the 8m)? as well as any fine?

do the prosecution have to be harry and milans legal fees?

what was the potential gain for the 8m risk?

many thanks
Report Regular Fries February 8, 2012 12:17 PM GMT
The charge was for tax evasion around the tune of £80k
Report mtoto2 February 8, 2012 12:35 PM GMT
Harry Redknapp's dog found guilty of tax evasion and sentenced to 3 years, 21 in doggy years.
Report scaredmoney February 8, 2012 12:36 PM GMT
mtoto2 • February 8, 2012 12:35 PM GMT
Harry Redknapp's dog found guilty of tax evasion and sentenced to 3 years, 21 in doggy years.

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report The Leopard February 8, 2012 12:50 PM GMT
Rough...!
Report Feck N. Eejit February 8, 2012 1:36 PM GMT
Whoever it was who said "when you go into court you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who were too stupid to get out of jury duty" knew what they were talking about.
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