fergie is going soft

rooney was involved in smoking and gambling HEAVY in both cases just before world cup so he knew what was coming I think he thought rooney would be gone by now but after the wc real lost interest so hes lumbered

think he may have a word with anderson

No way he can talk Viv out of retirement imo.

hello jermaine, what happened to these gerrard stories you guaranteed would emerge after 2 weeks?

good morning beeb ya boring old coot.

he cant afford to say anything to rooney, just got to let him do what e wants to,

bbc2, you are a cabbages buffoon

he cant afford to say anything to rooney, just got to let him do what e wants to

If you think Fergie is scared of getting rid of players who won't do as he says then just take a look at his record.

he wouldn't get rid of Rooney even if he shat in the front seat of his Mercedes,imo.

my grandad was a fearsome man and everyone was scared to upset or dissagree with him, however as time went by and he became physically and mentally weaker people realised he was just a frail old man who used to be a bully in his prime, but now had become a pushover with no fear factor

We live in hope RP

rp walos ysc

Fergie isn't your Grandad, he led United to within a point of the Premier League title only a few weeks ago.

The idea he's suddenly a frail old man is simply laughable.

he wouldn't get rid of Rooney even if he shat in the front seat of his Mercedes,imo.

Considering that the seats of his car are regularly subject to being $hat on thanks to his own incontinence, often resulting in detours down hard shoulders as he desperately tries to find a usable dock leaf, I shouldn't think he would give a $hit, as it were.

the candle in the pumpkin nay very bright these days,the hairdryer only fit for eyebrows
  cant even nobble a referee these days,how fewk.in sad is that.OT an empty shelllsuit of a place,sad sad days,how we larffffed

bbc2     04 Aug 10 09:19 
think he may have a word with anderson

goodbye would be my guess

Liverpool fans dream of the day Fergie goes soft, he knocked them of their perch and they can't get back up

i dont think we need to worry about fergie anymore. he,s finnish

i think the difference in strength between utd and liverpool has now reached it peak, utd will decline this year and liverpool will improve, imo of course.

leeonahigh,on what basis is your opinion?if u look at the united squad compared to the liverpool one,united have a lot of young promising players coming through,jonny evans,fabio,rafael,smalling,thats a whole defence,then also add the likes of nani, valencia,gibson,macheada and hernandez,who have liverpool got?lucas?ngog?spearing?pmsl

Liverpool have young defenders coming through too, the likes of Danny Wilson, Martin Kelly, Jonjo Shelvey are rumoured to play well together although I'm not a 'pool fan so they'll prob know more, it seems they will be retaining players when many thought they would lose, also the club may see investment which utd most certainly won't.

Also if you want to discuss further if you'd refrain from p1ssing yourself laughing and using excessive smilies when responding to my point.

jonny evans,fabio,rafael,smalling, nani, valencia,gibson,macheada and hernandez

i bet other teams are bricking it

im lfc, and we got a shot if we keep torres/gerrard fit

if not, im worried.......

" it seems they will be retaining players when many thought they would lose, also the club may see investment which utd most certainly won't"
u really are clueless,do u follow football at all?
fyi,united have already invested in young players,as ive previously pointed out,
and no i wont refrain from p1ssing myself laughing at clueless people like u,your sort deserve to be laughed at,imo
hth

NobbyClarke Joined: 05 May 07
Replies: 2913 04 Aug 10 11:05 
Fergie isn't your Grandad, he led United to within a point of the Premier League title only a few weeks ago.

The idea he's suddenly a frail old man is simply laughable.

   Poor deluded soul,straws grasping at(find a useful phrase)

The thing is though, Utd invested a fraction of the Ronaldo fee in new players and on the back of the 3 most successful and highest-revenue-generating seasons in their entire history would have posted a big loss if it wasn't for the Ronaldo money.
Utd have invested relatively small amounts in youngsters who they hope will improve in value, give good service and then, if necessary, be sold for a good profit. This is their business model under the Glazers. And the big question behind all that is, what happens if the revenue drops? If attendances drop? They go out of the CL at an early stage? They finish 3rd, 4th or even 5th?
Who will be sold to pay off the interest?

all internationals bar one derek,hth

ours4keeps,and if your aunty had ball's she's be your uncle

kauto it is already apparent from only 2 posts you fall under the blinkered utd fan category and ignorant to boot, so i will leave you to your delusions.

Also, the only people being laughed at are those utd fans who thinks winning the mickey mouse cup represented a good season.

The reason you use your smilies and acronyms is because you struggle to make a valid point without these childish aims.

I do hope this helps.

leeonahigh is seeeeeething

the final refuge of a beaten fool, seething smileys.

ps could be worse,could have won nothing,and finished outside the champions league places,
i do hope this helps,

well, season tickets have gone on general sale for the 1st time ever so that's a good indication that they might struggle to fill the ground sometimes next season. And with Chelsea having returned to form, Liverpool keeping their 2 main players and maybe on the brink of a buyout which could bring investment in the team, City's relentless spending, Arsenal always strong and even Spurs not selling their stars and building a top 4 team the possibility of Utd falling out of the top 4, though slim, is greater than in previous years, particularly as no adequate replacements have been got for Scholes and Giggs and the team seems as reliant on Rooney as last season.

You are correct but both scenarios were terrible seasons for both of you. at least 'pool fans don't try to dress it up as a successful season

Dont think united will underperform this coming season, and I fully expect them to retain the carling cup, and almost win the league, as well as almost winning the fa cup, and only just missing out on the cl also,

how many times over the past 20 years have i heard the same rubbish,
some people just cannot bare to see united dominating,it takes over there already sad lives imo,
"your player's make money,our player's make history" is a particular favourite of mine,along with,
"our history makes us strong,your hate makes us stronger"

I agree with your points on using the word 'history', it is ludicrus that Liverpool fans think their club is still the biggest in the world because of 'history'.

But I don't think the point I made just has been repeated to you over the past 20 years though, 'pool and utd both had dissapointing seasons last year, only utd's fans are dressing it up as a good season.

Also i don't think I had to bear united dominating last season because they did not in any way shape or form, or did you see something i didn't?

"at least 'pool fans don't try to dress it up as a successful season"
dress what up as a successful season?finishing 7th and been dumped out of the champion league in the group stages?
is it possible to dress that up as a successful season?
oh god,your stupidity beggars belief

You are calling me stupid by validating what I just said... you are a strange one.

dominating english football as a whole in the last decade and beyond is what i was suggesting,oh and europe on 2 occasions,oh and the world once,

I thought Chelsea dominated last season (milk cup apart, obv)

well, season tickets have gone on general sale for the 1st time ever so that's a good indication that they might struggle to fill the ground sometimes next season.

Do you not think the recession has something to do with that?

Hilarious how with a couple of wins against pub teams Liverpool fans think it's their season again

my point being u need to win a trophy of some sort to "dress it up" as a successful season,i think winning a trophy would be quite an achievement in many a club,but ye see,because we've won everthing numerous times it's seen as a failure,i get ye.
god it's hard been the biggest club in the world

Acknowledging I had a point, and no insult in one post, that must have been hard.

But yes, that was my point exactly, due to previous seasons, last season must be regarded as a failure, something fans are very reluctant to accept.

there is only 1 way for utd to go now and im afraid thats down.

thats it derek,if i agree with u,will u stop talking sh1te?

i only speak ze truth

NobbyClarke
Joined: 05 May 07 04 Aug 10 12:25   
well, season tickets have gone on general sale for the 1st time ever so that's a good indication that they might struggle to fill the ground sometimes next season.

Do you not think the recession has something to do with that?


More to do with the massive price rises in tickets. While your owners are doing their level best to drive away your hardcore support [the type who stood on the Stretford End as teenagers and are now thinking of how to afford to take along their kids] your nearest neighbours are putting themselves in a position to be more attractive.
The full house signs could well only be posted for about 4-5 games a season soon and they may even have to resort to pathetic stunts like trying to hawk half-season tickets on local radio at Christmas time.
It's a vicious circle though. What top player will want to play in a hushed stadium with swathes of empty seats and the only noise the clicking of camera buttons every time someone takes a corner. When the top players leave and the performance inevitably drop, ticket prices will have to go even higher to make up the shortfall in tv and prize money.

oh dear,ours4keeps like's the sound of his own voice me thinks

I thought it was an excellent post actually but then again I'm neutrally un-blinkered.

so what happens when abramovich and these filthy rich arabs get bored of playing with there toys??i look forward to the day,the novelty of owning a football club will only last so long before they get bored

Nobody stays on top forever and yet outside Liverpool, United have the greatest sense of entitlement of the lot. Unfortunately for them the core of the team are getting old as is the manager, they can't afford to buy success any more and they don't have a golden generation coming through. Hard times are a coming and what they have won in the past are an irrelevance.

eeternaloptimist,do u attend the united accademy every weekend?i highly doubt that,therefore your opinion of us not having a "golden generation"coming through is irrelevant,however,i see them playing every weekend and can assure u we have some great talent coming through,hth

2 points, maybe a tad off topic.

Leo - saying 'I'll leave you to it', and then carrying on, means that you will be mocked. Not a dig, just advice.

Saying that United's season last year was 'terrible' and using it in the same sentence as a description of Liverpool's season is just laughable.

Palmer, I said I'll leave him to it as he was being insulting, since he has become more receptive to other opinions differing from his own and ceased using excessive smileys to make a point.

come on leo, man u and liverpools season are not to be compared last season when you think about it without bias

last season was not a bad one for united, if it was not for chelsea, leeds, bayern they would have completed a quadrupple

my point was to highlight utd fan's reluctance to accept that had a bad season, not to compare theirs with Liverpool although i do accept I did that.

and but for,everton,birmingham,blackburn,stoke,fulham,sunderland,bolton,wolves,wigan and west ham,liverpool would have been relegated

Leo

Both points accepted... cheers.

It wasn't a great season, but bad might be stretching it. We were a point from Chelsea in the league and if Rafael had been a little more mature, almost certainly through to face Lyon in the CL semi.

If and buts, but not a 'bad' season for me.

ok i'll withdraw bad and say under-achievement.

Seems fair!

leoonahigh,so who will be under- achieving this coming season if they dont win a trophy?

I think Utd over achieved last season myself, especially considering the injuries they had.

realistically there are 4 trophies up for grabs depending on league positions from last season, I would imagine chelsea, arsenal united spurs city liverpoool everton villa, will think they ave a chance of lifting at least one, not too lift one but finish in the top 4 would be an achievement for most of that list imo

kauto, imo id say utd chelsea and i'd prob say man city

Sorry, just popped in to say

jonny evans,fabio,rafael,smalling





If Utd were to play those lot at the back they would be relegated.

so spurs not winning anything would be a suitable season,and liverpool not winning anything would also be a suitable season given there also in the europa league??
shrood mug,jonny evens is a top defender,rafael is a good full back but has to learn how to defend,and fabio is very good,smalling still has it all to prove,ill give u that one,i dont think he's much good to be honest,cant really see why we bothered taking him

spurs and liverpool qualifying for cl and not winninga trophy would be a good season winning a trophy and doing the former would be a very good season imo

suppose your rite rp,just shows ye how football has changed these days when its more important to qualify for the cl than to win a trophy

liverpool will not take europa league serious when it comes down to it this year

why wont they wwcd?if united were in the europa league id want them to win it,nice trophy,and besides the final is at the aviva stadium this season

4th place rules. If they have a run of tough games fighting for champions league place in latter part of season europa league will go out the window. This is true innit

Agree with WWCD Liverpool have got to concentrate on a good league finish

kautostars

My point was that they did have a golden generation of first teamers who came through the ranks. The current youth team players may be wonderful but that doesn't mean that they will make it at first team level and whether they do or not it is unlikely to help United for the next couple of seasons.

The Premiership is a lot tougher league now than when Neville etc came through the ranks.

Bigger & faster. Very difficult to blood youth at the top top level now imho.

well the kids are bigger and faster,youths got to be blooded sometime,if theyre good enough...

They only lost the leagye by a point, Chelsea for me are the team more likely to regress with their age profile. I think United will win the league this year with Arsenal and City to follow them home. I expect big things from the likes of Valencia, Nani and Hernandez this year and Berbatov too should do better.

we have an ancient midfield

Some interesting points, I think at this point of the year you could make a case for both sides of the coin, it seems there are potential strengths which could be exposed as weakness once the season starts for both teams. I expect a very interesting first few weeks to the season.

LEO  re ... the gerrard story thats still to come
But give me some credit for telling you all about the rooney smoking capers weeks ago i was told by you and roy keene that i was mad saying he smoked 20 +A Day