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buddeliea
23 Jul 10 07:53
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Any of you feel Lucas could be in for a big season in a more advanced role??
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Report ours4keeps July 23, 2010 8:00 AM BST
can't see him playing any more advanced with Gerrard, Aquillani and Cole all in the squad. maybe in the holding role or slightly ahead of Gerrard if they ask the captain to sit deep when Mascherano goes.
Report funkypunk July 23, 2010 10:06 AM BST
'Pool looking rather lean down the left side now with the likely departure of Riera to follow Aurelio & Insua...i suggest Wigan's Charles N'Zogbia would be a good aquisition to the squad.
Report ours4keeps July 23, 2010 10:11 AM BST
good player but a terrible attitude.
Report Daveyboymoyes July 23, 2010 10:18 AM BST
Don't see what all this fuss is with N'Zogbia, good player i agree but not a stand out for me.  10 million plus is way over the top imo.
Report LeoOnAHigh July 23, 2010 10:20 AM BST
Your lot should keep on after Figueroa, think he would fit it well.
Report chippy09 July 23, 2010 10:22 AM BST
you're being linked to Huntelaar on a loan deal. would give you that 2nd quality striker
Report funkypunk July 23, 2010 10:24 AM BST
Marseille have tabled 8.2m
Report Goretski July 23, 2010 10:38 AM BST
I wouldnt really be to worried how he gets on at inter....come on rafa you know he's would at least 15 mil
Report Goretski July 23, 2010 10:38 AM BST
worth*
Report Can't Catch Me July 23, 2010 10:43 AM BST
I agree with o4k. Cant see him playing any more advanced, even though he seems to play better when he does.
Report buddeliea July 23, 2010 12:08 PM BST
Yeh,thats what i think,looks more natural to him being more forward.Think we will see him in that role more often,especially with the injurys that Cole and Aqualani seem to suffer.
Report happydays July 23, 2010 12:12 PM BST
You need to keep Lucas at Liverpool as he's awesome, simply awesome. You need to build your team around Lucas, maybe bring in Ebanks Blake as a link player for him as that would be devestating down the middle.
Report buddeliea July 23, 2010 12:13 PM BST
I have a feeling you aint a pool fan Mr Happy!!
Report Goretski July 23, 2010 12:14 PM BST
Going back to the original post...Lucas will NEVER have a big season regardless of where he plays as he MUCUS!
Report happydays July 23, 2010 12:15 PM BST
Yeh, i`m a big fan of how Liverpool play.
Report TORRES 9 July 23, 2010 12:16 PM BST
buddeliea     23 Jul 10 07:53 
Any of you feel Lucas could be in for a big season in a more advanced role??

youre a  FU CKING joke. lucas AWFUL, how he gets 25k per week is one of life's great mysteries!
Report Can't Catch Me July 23, 2010 12:17 PM BST
I like him Goretski. Think he is a very solid, dependable player who doesnt make many mistakes now. Glad to have him in the squad. Would look a top player in say the Arsenal side who favour lots of short balls which he is good at. I think he's better than Denilson for example.

As daft as it sounds, Gerrard could learn a thing or two from him. Keeping the ball is key, and Lucas is one of our best in that dept.
Report TORRES 9 July 23, 2010 12:21 PM BST
Can't Catch Me   
what an idiot
youve never been to anfield if you say that, we hate Lucas, and i hate you too!
Report buddeliea July 23, 2010 12:21 PM BST
Torres,calm down,just a question mate,and it seems some agree with me.Dont need to get personal cos you dont agree.
Report Can't Catch Me July 23, 2010 12:22 PM BST
Yeah I've never been Torres. Looks great on the TV though.
Report TORRES 9 July 23, 2010 12:22 PM BST
fu ck off!
im fuming, lucas useless. can he make man u? chelsea? arsenal?
go figure, we not accepting this sort of cr ap in red anymore
his a joke and so are you
Report REDUNDANT PUNTER July 23, 2010 12:23 PM BST
torres 9 you seem a tad irate,
Report buddeliea July 23, 2010 12:24 PM BST
Think i have upset Mr Torres!!
Report Can't Catch Me July 23, 2010 12:24 PM BST
And a tad simple Laugh
Report TORRES 9 July 23, 2010 12:24 PM BST
yes, im filthy

we accepting so much crap at LFC, even our own getting it in their heads its acceptable.

incredible, i was one of majority at anfield who groaned each time lucas got the ball
Report REDUNDANT PUNTER July 23, 2010 12:26 PM BST
any players you actually rate ?
Report buddeliea July 23, 2010 12:26 PM BST
Is their not a possibility that He has been misused by our former manager??
Report Can't Catch Me July 23, 2010 12:28 PM BST
Who do you support Torres 9? Youre masquerades as a Liverpool fan are pretty poor I'm afraid.
Report Goretski July 23, 2010 12:29 PM BST
Cant have him at all CCM and have to disagree, wouldnt look a top player in any side TBH, imo opionion of course. Lacks positional awareness, actually lacks awareness in general (i've lost count the amout of times ive seen him caught on the ball) cant make a pass more than 10 yards, shocking at supporting the play , doesnt move the ball quickly enough (the amount of time ive seen him slow down counter attacks is unreal) all in all a poor mans mascherano. Yes you need one holding midfielder, but two? and of the same ilk, na not for me. which is another reason why rafa played two holding midfielders,because he didnt trust lucas in the first place and then he was just be stubborn cause everyone realised how brutal he was, or is. imo
Report TORRES 9 July 23, 2010 12:29 PM BST
lucas gremio genius. in SA i met gremio fans who want him back! let him go, he is not 1st class!

plenty...
best midfielder, best gk, best right back, best striker....we are fine, just weed out the sh yte.

cant believe you lot posting em sort of comments, this disgraceful IMO
Report Can't Catch Me July 23, 2010 12:32 PM BST
He's not a holding midfielder though is he Goretski. Not imo anyway.

Each to their own I suppose. I havent known many players polarise opinion more than him.
Report REDUNDANT PUNTER July 23, 2010 12:33 PM BST
Players often split opinion and non moreso than this one, for me te best thing liverpol could do would be to sell Macsherano if they could get 30mill or more, and and put a package together for milner and warnock, 20 mill plus babel or someting simmillar, Lucas could do the holding midfield role with ease, as long as e was shrounded with the likes of aquillani, gerrard cole, milner and oter suc players, he is youn enough and improving, imo
Report TORRES 9 July 23, 2010 12:34 PM BST
bottom line, all jokes aside
will he start 30games for manu ? arsenal ? chelsea?


we had alonso, mash , stevie and momo ( who before the kick to the eye v Barca) at times was awesome!!
Report REDUNDANT PUNTER July 23, 2010 12:36 PM BST
switch sky sports news on now and see what he has to say for himself
Report Can't Catch Me July 23, 2010 12:36 PM BST
Torres. I'd rather have a discussion with my senile, deaf, slightly demented Gran than you.
Report Goretski July 23, 2010 12:37 PM BST
I cant see anywhere else you could play him CCM,he's limited as limited can be all be it i agree with RP that he is improving but still no i just cant have him, in any position. surely you cant be suggeesting he's an attacking midfielder?
Report TORRES 9 July 23, 2010 12:38 PM BST
goretski, best to leave this thread

these 2 idiots know nothing

lucas behind torres 9 = GOALS

what idiots, THE WA NKERS ON THIS SITE AMAZING AT THE MINUTE.

keep dep funds lads, and ill continue to be happy
Report Can't Catch Me July 23, 2010 12:41 PM BST
Goretski. I dont think he is that well suited to our formation. Think he is more of a central midfielder in a 4-4-2.

He's too limited when playing alongside Masch and not a holding midfielder when he plays alongside someone like SG.

As I said, I think he's better than the likes of Denilson and he fits in to the Arsenal midfield Ok. FWIW, he wouldnt be in my starting XI if we keep everyone we have, but I still like him.
Report REDUNDANT PUNTER July 23, 2010 12:42 PM BST
He has shown ability when he has advanced further up front on very limited occassions, he was highly rated back in brazil as a youngster and has often been a bit of a scape goat for the fans and media, but I honestly believe he is a bit of a slow learner, and could well be like darren fletcher was at united derided by the fans and media, and then 4 seasons later lauded as uniteds big game player time will tell
Report buddeliea July 23, 2010 12:42 PM BST
I think he could be,looked ok one of the few times he played further forward.Maybe he is better in that position.Would not be the only mistake Rafa made.
Report TORRES 9 July 23, 2010 12:43 PM BST
lets agree to disagree.
only bad move Roy made was too ask for too much money for him. should have taken Palemro 6m offer...
Report Can't Catch Me July 23, 2010 12:44 PM BST
Torres. Hate to break it to you, but no-ones talking to you old son.
Report TORRES 9 July 23, 2010 12:49 PM BST
great...ill get back to my online dating website

see you in 2 weeks for season ki ckoff
Report Goretski July 23, 2010 12:51 PM BST
But the only thing about it is that 4-4-2 is now a dated system but going back to when it was in use Utd used it to great effect with Keane and Scholes even we used it to a certain extent with Xabi and Masch although i wouldnt exactly but xabi in the same bracket as Scholes but i just dont think lucas has the capabilities,only time will tell, be interesting to see what hodgsons take on him and the formation will be
Report Daveyboymoyes July 23, 2010 12:58 PM BST
Reds arguing amongst themselves Laugh
Report buddeliea July 23, 2010 1:00 PM BST
Discussion Moyesy,with differing opinions,good healthy stuff.
Apart from a rather irate chap!!
Report Daveyboymoyes July 23, 2010 1:05 PM BST
TORRES 9 Joined: 06 Jan 10
Replies: 1474 23 Jul 10 12:38   
goretski, best to leave this thread

these 2 idiots know nothing

lucas behind torres 9 = GOALS

what idiots, THE WA NKERS ON THIS SITE AMAZING AT THE MINUTE.

keep dep funds lads, and ill continue to be happy 

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report back to the day job July 23, 2010 1:27 PM BST
Lucas is Not a holding midfielder, never has been he is an attacking central midfielder. I personally think he has been rubbish but, to be fair to the lad he has been played out of position (shock horror) by Rafa. If Rafa had stayed then I would have said get rid pronto, but if Roy gives him a chance in a more natural role then we have to give him some time to see what he can do. Surely we owe him that for taking Brazil's great white hope of his generation and turning him into salif diao!
Report sintonian July 23, 2010 1:28 PM BST
RP, didn't Rafa let Warnock go ?
Report sintonian July 23, 2010 1:30 PM BST
there is nothing between Lucas & Denilson. They are both very average. The only thing they have on their side is time.

Denilson could be also turn out to be a Darren Fletcher, he certainly has the stamina for 90 minutes of kicking. But you dont really expect Brazilian players to develop like that do you?
Report REDUNDANT PUNTER July 23, 2010 1:38 PM BST
Not sure who let him go to be honest, but we need a left back and he has prem experience, can get forward loves a tackle, could do a job imo, as for Lucas I still think he can improve, even when in brazil e was seen as a differing type less flair more in the mould of the ex national manager, some players explode on te scene and then fade some start slowly and then flourish, look at uniteds brazillian midfielder the one who looks like that bird from shameless
Report buddeliea July 27, 2010 7:53 AM BST
What do we think of the possibility of losing Mascherano? Personally if we can get silly money i aint too bothered,good player but i am pretty confident he can be suitably replaced for a lot less than we would get for him.
Report bornisthekingofSB July 27, 2010 8:04 AM BST
get rid of mash and play Lucas in there,simples
Report Daveyboymoyes July 27, 2010 8:09 AM BST
Laugh
Report sintonian July 27, 2010 9:17 AM BST
Budd, the STATS say you winning % increase when he does not play. Surprised me a bit tbh. But yeah, anything over £20m is a must sell.
Report sintonian July 27, 2010 9:19 AM BST
RP, you defending Rafa again [;)]  It must have been him who let Warnock go, shirley.
Report BESSY July 27, 2010 9:54 AM BST
who would you like to see come in when we sell torres and masca
I would hope we would get £60m for Fernando and £20m for masca.

Potential Players: Milner 25m (english but overpriced)
                   Ireland 10m (great buy-creative, scores goals
                   Raul (free transfer) old but got a couple of years left.             
                   Any other Man City striker rejects?
Report BESSY July 27, 2010 9:59 AM BST
Bridge & Richards to bolster defence (both english)
Report funkypunk July 27, 2010 10:05 AM BST
Baros,Cisse & Riise.
Report ours4keeps July 27, 2010 10:11 AM BST
If we do sell Torres I'd hope they'd try to re-invest the large part on Dzeko - anything less (Carlton Cole, Remy etc) will see uproar among the fans.

As for Mascherano, either Cambiasso in p/x please or some cheap alternative as with Gerrard, Aquillani and Lucas we're not too badly off in that dept already.
Report ours4keeps July 27, 2010 10:14 AM BST
I'd like Ireland but think he's a bit similar to Gerrard, Aquillani and Cole so not sure how we'd accomodate him.
Raul is going to want a fortune in wages and you're not getting Milner for less than £25m now that City are involved so no value there.
Report Second Hand Balls July 27, 2010 10:26 AM BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/gallery/2010/jul/27/joe-cole-liverpool-th...
Report Second Hand Balls July 27, 2010 10:26 AM BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/gallery/2010/jul/27/joe-cole-liverpool-th...
Report Second Hand Balls July 27, 2010 10:27 AM BST
I give up.
Report funkypunk July 27, 2010 10:28 AM BST
leave a space in the url.
Report Second Hand Balls July 27, 2010 10:30 AM BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/gallery/2010/jul/27 /joe-cole-liverpool-the-gallery#/?picture=365200351&index=0
Report Second Hand Balls July 27, 2010 10:31 AM BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/gallery/2010 /jul/27/joe-cole-liverpool-the-gallery# /?picture=365200351&index=0
Report FlipFlop1 July 27, 2010 10:39 AM BST
When we brought Lucas he had won player of the year in Bazil i think?

I like him maybe woy can get the best out of him!
He seems to be a player that likes the manager to put his arm around him and say you done well!
Something Rafa didnt do to any player! But all managers are differant!
Report Second Hand Balls July 27, 2010 10:42 AM BST
From The Guardian today:

And meanwhile back at Liverpool, Hodgson may or may not be scoffing at that Cole and Doyle talk while preparing a spot in his dressing room for Mexican left-back Carlos Salcido, who is currently with PSV.


Thought that guy was outstanding for Mexico in the world cup and his football story would make him a fan favourite at Anfield,sooner,rather than later.
Report funkypunk July 27, 2010 10:42 AM BST
...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/gallery/2010/jul/27/joe-cole-liverpool-the-gallery#/?picture=365161649&index=3
Report funkypunk July 27, 2010 10:45 AM BST
Second Hand Balls...type 3 dots first as i have above and the url will stick, no need for a gap then.
Report Second Hand Balls July 27, 2010 10:46 AM BST
ok thanks for the advice funky.
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