Man City destroying everything...

i think i am looking forward to this season more than any other

shower of cnuts at city

Thanks for that interesting incite

inciting a riot ?

1-0 Coach

Liverpool fans please go away

You are never going to challenge for anything in the first place

Be happy you got Cole (that one who always get injured)

I hate everyone.

Gloryhunting reds, The Big Four, Sky, Richard Keys, 'New' fans, Target demographic fans, the FA, Team England, Ferguson, people 'supporting' teams from miles away (that are never $hit teams), football club owners, spin merchants, footballing bull$hitters - all to$$ers.

Oh yeah, Garry Cook - top bull$hitter and spin merchant too.

What can you do though?

i live 100 miles away from the team i support.... but theyre rubbish

Vornader" United fans are smug because they are supporting a lifelong passion"

Jesus wept....

Vornander let me lick your cheek and taste those salty tears

As a Villa fan, Man City shaking up the 'Big 4' is hilarious. Never seen Liverpool and Utd fans so worried. I wish them well!

Vorn is seriously embarrassing himself on this thread, sad to see really.

Been a while since I had a fan club. Pleasing to see.

i concur, glory hunting fans acting high and mighty about man city splashing the cash is priceless. I wish them well

Mighty Whites 2008 Joined: 27 May 06
Replies: 3625 21 Jul 10 23:21 
they were almost top 4 last season.

They added a number of players and will be stronger. They will be top 4.

Remember the window is 2months from shutting not forgetting the second window in january when they can go again
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2 months?!

1st september aint it?

last season when spurs finished 4th seems never to have happened already. apparently it was a fluke and the ragbag that are citeh and liverpool in decline will just zoom past next season.

People maoning about City this, City that..........

It is just what football has become. Something like this happening was the logical conclusion. I'm sure you've got better things to do with your lives.

The only thing you should be worrying yourselves about is if this will present you with a betting opportunity or not. Everything else is bullsh!t. You can't do a thing to change the situation so stop whinging like little girls and see what's in it for you.

I like the notion from the OP that it's Man City destroying everything. Football's integrity disappeared down the pan a long time ago in case you hadn't noticed.

Fans of club with American and Russian billionaire owners telling a club with Arab owners that they ruin everything. Welcome to the EPL everyone.

I think it's more the Premiership's integrity disappearing down the pan.

It went down the pan years ago. Sponsors were even giving players money to celebrate beside an advertising board with their companies logo when they score a goal. Agents are demanding move on fees before players leave clubs and every tom, willie and harry are trying to get a slice of the pie. What beats me is why a Man City fan who works 40 hours a week would want to actually pay to see Man City.

What City are doing is no different from what Chelsea did.  Chelsea spent £250m in the space of 12 months and so City need to spend a bit more in order to catch up with them!

god forbid another billionaire takeover.!

nothing wrong with what city are doing imo,went on in the 70s with the have and have nots,but the old guard dontlike it.

[;)]

Club with rich backer start buying new players.



htehb?

Man City are just buying players for no reason, surely you should be buying players that fit into your team, also their manager is weak, hes spending more time trying to convince the supporters that he loves the club by wearing that scarf in summer, as we all know he had never even heard of City until they approached him with a job offer, city fans = deluded fools.

There will always be one or two clubs who spend far more than others and footballers earn obscene amounts of money, we'd all take it if offered though, it's just that City paying players like Yaya Toure a million pound a month is going to make them a total laughing stock! If they prove me wrong i'll hold my hands up but paying water carriers that sort of money is ludicrous no matter how rich the owners are.

Perhaps someone could let me know when the Betfair forum has determined  whether City are bad for football because (a) they’ve bought success or (b) because they’ve bought a bunch of money grabbers who won’t gel because money doesn’t buy you success.

In the real world, money makes the world go round. The fascination of Brian Clough was that he achieved success at ‘unfashionable’ (i.e. small) clubs but that was very much the exception rather than the rule. Even when Lancashire town teams dominated football at the beginning of the last century that was an era when Lancs was the industrial and therefore economic heart of the country. Club football here and abroad has been dominated by metropolitan clubs for a long time.

The bottom line is those with money win very much more often than those without. And those who win then get more money meaning they keep on winning. And so the gap between rich and poor gets wider.

We like the romantic image of a small club slowly building to be a big club purely through hard work, sourcing and nurturing local players, gradual growth in attendances etc.  But if that was ever possible, the money now paid out by TV, Premier League and Champions League has made the gap so ridiculously huge that the only realistic way to bridge the gap is to outspend those with the money. At which point, cue wailing and gnashing of teeth from those whose monopoly is threatened or those who don’t have a rich benefactor.

The problem in football, as in any business, is when clubs spend money they can’t afford. That plainly isn’t the case with City.

By the way the attendance for the quarter final with Arsenal last season was 46015. Correcting misinformation about City is a full time job.

Capital Blue you could just as easily type tosh without the need for typing all that. Man City are not operating as a club should. If an Arab boghtt Kilmarnock and spend so much that they won the European cup, nobody would take them seriously either. Man City are no different.

so when do we take them seriously,when the win something?

Ok i know we will have the 'man utd generate alot of their money' but ffs look how much they spent(by the way ) i dont care a toss how much clubs spend,didn't in the 60s/70s and dont now.
GL to city fans i say.

City fans seem to think they've already won the league. Thing is, they thought the same last season.

They won't make the top 4.

have to disagree AJSmith, city fans didnt think they'd won the league last season. dunno which ones you had dealings with but seriously, a massive majority did not think city would win the league last year, and most still dont think this year either.

the 'real' city fans deserve all the success they 'buy',its just the newbees that will get on their own fans t1ts

Whether anyone takes City seriously is a different question. The thread alleges City are destroying football, an assertion which is at best naive as to the extent to which the concentration of money in a small number of clubs has long since destroyed the romantic possibilities of a so called level playing field. If everyone having an equal chance each season is your aim, you might as well accept it all went pear shaped when clubs turned professional.

Never mind last season, try and remember back to when they signed Robinho. All over SSN saying they were going to win the league. Sad times.

aye, but SSN pick out the mentally fragile to stick up on the TV, i can personally think of no city fan that ever said we (oops!) would win the league after we signed robinho.

please dont use nutters on SSN as general consensus.

I have no problem with Man City using their powers in the transfer market. Do Man city fans think it's ridiculous the wages they are handing out though? Yaya Toure wouldn't have got that sort of wage anywhere in the world, it's not as though a team were competing with city so they offered him £5000 a week more than their competitors. It looks to me as though they are almost blackmailing their targets to come and that's why many will say players are only going for the big money contracts and aren't committed to the club.
Toure had only just signed his mega money with City and he was saying he wants to return to Barcelona in the near future and his heart belongs there! Not what you want to hear after giving him a multi million pound contract.

not sure what the business plan is tbh.  paying that money just means having Team Adebayor smashing the doors down to get their man paid more, it means subsidising players wages if they leave or go on loan because no-one else can pay that much, it means offering £400k a week to get one genuine world class player on board.  there simply isn't enough prize money, tv rights and gate receipts to cover a squad like that

Hopefully all the clubs will be owned by billionaires and give it a level playing field again, whilst raising tickets prices and forcing out the working class scum.

Milner on his way by all accounts,  Man City will have to add height to their dugout, the midfielders will need more room to sit on the bench with their wallets in their pockets.

no need to adjust dugouts with 25 max squad size, gonna be some unhappy chappies

No need to worry Wedged. That's the way it's going.

They wont be unhappy with the contracts they're on. How many will be banging on the door asking for a move?

and still whatever they spend i have them down for 4th place at best

this is it buzzer .

a greedy player will still take less money in order to play for barcelona/madrid etc.

man city have no choice but to go over the odds

pox doctors clerk     22 Jul 10 12:51 
and still whatever they spend i have them down for 4th place at best

Agreed

come on city

Correct Man City will buy top players

Has anyone on here commented on the stories about City paying for a new astroturf pitch in Harlem?

There isnt a fan around who wouldnt swap place with City though. Billionaire benfactor linked with your club? No thanks. Honest.

As plenty have said, welcome to football today. City havent changed anything. Good luck to them and their fans. Have a feeling they are going to need it though. The vast majority of todays players yearn for trophies and success less than any other generation imo. Sometimes too much money / spending really can be a bad thing, especially in a team game.

Hunger, desire, team spirit arent the first things you'd think of when you think of Man City would they?

* are they?

How dare City spend money. Only Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool are allowed to spend money.

City winning the league would be a disaster, because we only want established money spenders to win the league.

Why should money spenders who come from nowhere be allowed to buy the title at the expense of the other big clubs who spend money? Just not right.

Hilarious stuff.  City "destroying everything that is good about football?"  I see.  They are responsible for Super Sunday, Andy Gray, all seater stadia, alcohol bans, stewards, early kick offs, no pay on the gate, gloryseekers etc are they?  Football, as we used to know it, ceased to exist many moons ago.

good luck to them, don't particularly like them but they were getting 40,000 fans for division 2 games a few years back proves they are no "Glory Hunters" as has been said on here, pure jealousy from some quarters I believe

Manchester City have spent an awful lot of money so far this summer - and not all of it has been on new players.
Yesterday, in the broiling heat of Spanish Harlem, we saw where some of the rest has gone. The PS72 Elementary School that stands on the corner of 104th Street and Lexington Avenue is not unlike many others in this deprived area of uptown Manhattan. It is large and in rudimentary physical shape.
These days, however, it boasts an astro-turf football pitch on the roof, which City put there at a cost of more than £500,000. It is 12 flights of stairs up, but for the children of PS72, the climb is worth it. Previously they had to walk 12 blocks to play their favourite sport.
School principal Tony Hernandez yesterday thanked the club, saying: 'You must realise what this means to us.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1297019/Manchester-City-build-500-000-football-pitch-roof-school.html

Full story

Manchester City is a nice club full of heroes and fanatical fans such as me

Interesting thread this. My thoughts on the OP are that no, they're destroying it... but they are making it worse.

I also wonder whether, without City, football might have started getting back to normal. United, Liverpool and Chelsea were all spending more wisely - Arsenal and Spurs have been well run for sometime now.

Unfortunately, this hope as fallen away somewhat.


Oh, and Can't Catch Me - I know a lot of fans that wouldn't want their club to be doing what City are doing. In fact, I know some City fans who hate the developments at the club.

Spending 200 million on a load of third world rejects has made them the biggest laughing stock in football.

They will be passed on to some African dictator next season, that is when the real fun starts.

Thaksin the mass murderer to Mohammed the Somalian warlord.

Show us yer medals Stockport.

is this the man city that couldn't finish in the top 4? the one thats in the europa league this season?6th place imo this season.

What the Bitter Blues are doing is a bit akin to a 60 year old millionaire buying a 20 year old Thai bride.

Oh and then deciding to sleep around with a few prossies as well, because he hasn't had any for 34 years.

It's sickening, and needs to be stopped.

I'm loving that the fact that you're all foaming at the mouth about liddle ol' Ciddy. 
A team with no history, a team with no fan base.

Maine Road's record attendance was set in 1934, when 84,569 people attended an FA Cup tie between Manchester City and Stoke City, a record for an English club ground

Chew on that you bitter pricks!

That's right GG & Stoke only brought 569 with them!

Seriously though, all the petty seething about City are doing this & that or blah blah blah etc etc etc. It is just part of the soap opera that football has become. Just enjoy the ride. How the hatred can be building up right now is crazy. We haven't won anything yet!

Of all clubs how could anyone begrudge Man City fans a bit of success? We've followed that club through some shocking times. We've won nothing and still over 40k turn up week after week. Pretty much all from Gtr M/C too. The unfortunate fact of life in football is that if you aren't a part of the big money set you've no chance of competing for the big silverware.

It's not the ideal situation, but it is what it is. The days of Celtic winning the European Cup with all the players being born within 25 miles of the ground are gone. Football has gone global. Get used to it.

Dave Edwards

I'm sorry, but it's not fair to label all criticism as 'petty seething' and then justify it by basically saying 'well, it's fecked anyway so it's not worth worrying about it'.

Yes, football is in a pretty shocking state, but just when the Prem seemed to be readjusting itself - albeit still at obscene levels - City have come along and made it worse.

They're by no means the cause of the problem, or the only symptom, but I'm not a 'petty seether' because I dislike the way football has become and the way that, imo, City are making it worse.

uo

14 thousand for a quater final league cup home game last season just about sums City up.

Then sell out against Utd, City fans are the biggest glory hunters around.

MASSIVE THREAD

Sky and the rush by top division sides to extricate themselves from the 'lower orders' ruined football.  City's owners are simply taking  it to its logical conclusion.  Anything else is just seething...

Real and Barca in Spain

Inter in Italy

Bayern in Germany

City in England


The big clubs buy up the best talent.

The difference with City and the rest is we have no debt and billions to spend.


Via Va the revolution

This is the decade we will rule the world.

Can't wait to see the seethers in five years when we are light years ahead of the rest

I wholeheartedly agree.  But, as Cloughie used to say, 'say nowt, win it, then talk yer head off.'  Let's be patient for another season or two.

i saw someone else post this and i agree. Can any city fans really say they have seen one of their new signings and thought "wow, what a signing, this is amazing?"

i cant see how any signing has made you think that. any city fans care to answer how they feel about their signings?

Robinho was pretty jaw dropping as he was way above what we were signing at that current time, but all didnt turn out so well

i think David Silva is probably our best and most balanced signing to date, for me.

its good to hear a proper opinion. most of what i hear is just how amazing it is all gonna be as city rule the world. some city fans dont seem to realise that all these players will NOT settle. if they all settled together and all proved to be good signings then someone would have blessed them with a magic spell or something because some of these big signings WILL be flops.

Palmer, that wasn't directed at you as it goes, but there has been some rubbish posted on the forum.

I don't particularly like the way football has moved forward, but this was the only way we had a chance of completing and luckily we had someone come in with pockets deeper than everyone else.

Okay Dave Edwards - but I hope you can see my point, if not agree with it.

10 years ago we were getting beat by Stockport at home in the league. We had to walk back through the back streets of Moss Side to get away from the ground, and we had Barry Conlon up front. We would wait for the cup draws in the hope we would draw a big team away so we could get to a decent ground. 8 years later we had a new stadium and had some how managed to get in the Premier, and hoped to finish in the top half, and maybe hope to go on a bit of a cup run.

Now we are the richest club in the world, and have a realistic chance of soon winning the league and a few trophies. my season ticket stands at £420, which I consider to be excellent value. I am not paying the players wages or transfer fees someone else is. We have a great stadium, and the area all around it is being developed by the new owners. People are moaning at the money we are spending, yet no one seemed to moan when the skint mob broke the transfer fee for Robson Cole Veron Ferdinand and payed fortunes for an 18 year old.

Moss Side - Barry Conlon - Autoglass trophy - Macclesfield or Eastlands (soon to be the Las Vegas of the north) - Carlos Tevez - European cup - Real Madrid its a fkin tough choice.

maineroad

No one is criticising you for enjoying it; if you read my point then you'll see that my criticism, or despair, if you like, is at the worsening of English football.

Of course, it's easy to make out that United fans who criticise City must be seethers.

But two points:

- Some of us recognised and didn't like the way United changed their approach to a spending one, though understood why it happened
- At least were running as an efficient business at the time, so there was an element of market forces involved.

All those City fans became all bitter and twisted for years about Utd buying the league.........

And now they have the money it's "oh we deserve to win it because we have won feck all for 36 years"

Biggest hypocrites around.

Kudos to you Palmer if that is indeed the case.  However, I seem to recall rather a lot of voices singing "Fergie, sign him up" while Tevez was running his legs off for United and clearly they were not an efficient business at that time.  I think you need to accept that while that may have been your wish it is very much a minority one and I also think that without his hands tied, SAF would have signed Tevez and plenty more.  Indeed, didn't you enquire about Yaya Toure a year ago?

cgull

Of course, and I don't blame United or City for taking that approach. For several reasons, football changed in the late 90's and the only approach, imo, that would lead to success is spending big.

Wenger has done an amazing job, but fallen short. Everyone else has been spending, because it's what football demands.

So yes, SAF would happily have spent the money, and the majority of fans would enjoy it. But many of us at the ground, whilst enjoying seeing a team of stars, didn't forget what was happening and I'm sure City have supporters who feel the same, beneath the enjoyment of challenging again.

The real shame for me is that football just seemed to be hitting the ceiling; wages were reducing, albeit still at scandalous levels, and clubs were managing their finances a lot more carefully. City's financial invasion has put paid to any hope of that lasting!

I am unconvinced about falling wages and better financial management tbh.  How many points deductions have there been over the last couple of seasons?  These are problems born of the pre-City era.  Look at Pompey for example. Or Leeds.

Don't get me wrong, it had improved about 1%! But we did seem to be hitting a point where levels of spending were unsustainable and, as such, being lowered somewhat.

I think maybe we are confusing a general climbdown with United and Liverpool being deep in hock and therefore having their hands tied?  I haven't seen this thrifty approach personally.

Add Chelsea to that, and you have 3 of the 4 biggest spenders in the prem reducing their spend considerably - this has a knock on effect.

Well, you could blame City (or the player's agent) but haven't Chelsea increased John Terry's wage to around 200k per week during this spend reduction?

I didn't say it was a complete reversal, but there's no doubt that Chelsea have spent less than when the Russian arrived.

True.  He did lose $9 billion during the financial crisis though!  Do you think it's sensible accounting or just not having as much cash?

Fair point.

But I guess market forces are wider than just football as an industry, with owners restricted to spend if their private enterprises are experiencing a downturn.

City's owners are unrelated to market forces, to an extent.

Precisely.

The only thing city are destoying is the sky 4 cartel! Anyone with a brain
can see the only way to compete had to be to take this approach.So stop
being bitter and deal with it.Football changed a long time ago so why should
city feel guilty after what we have been through.

star rage

Maybe you'll take the time to read people's opinions, before spouting drivel such as 'stop being bitter and deal with it'.

The only drivel is the opening post and while some people do post reasonable ,balanced comments
regarding football finance there are a lot of jealous,bitter people out there.My comments are
aimed at them and not necesarily every contributor on this thread !
I just do not remember such rabid derision when chelsea and united were breaking transfer
records.
I suppose it is much better to be talked about and be the main story in football today than be
an also ran.

http://www.footballtradedirectory.com/news/2010/march/manchester-city-to-spend-a-billion-on.html

New jobs, new look, new atmosphere, benefiting the community in MANCHESTER?

What do United's owners do for Manches... well Trafford? [;)]

NOTHING