Kevin Pullein. How does he get his bets on?

he only has one bet a season doesnt he. Recomendation : No bet

He doesn't punt in size. I know this for a fact.

bets on here presumably

newlawncailin, you clearly don't take the RP. Perhaps you find it too expensive.

Kenilworth.... 1.01 landed....

He'd have a point wouldn't he, kenilworth? Especialy with charging for the website as well. Good move bringing The Shoe in on Fridays but, that apart, the paper has gone backwards fast since Bruce took over.

*Especially

Ronka, he has a point ? What is it then, with a crack about having one bet a year ? Anyone who makes a stupid crack like that clearly doesn't take the Post. Perhaps he can't afford it, is neither here nor there.

Err, you suggested he might "find it too expensive." I concurred that he may have a point if indeed he does find it too expensive.

he's a waste of space in the paper imo

"ooh look at me everyone else is betting fixed odds or correct score on a match but I'm so **kin clever I've noticed a trend on which nostril Steven Gerrard fires his snot from"

recommendation: 0.5pt Steven Gerrards left nostril 10/11 Bet 3665

Err, Ronka. He also make a stupid comment about Pullein only having one bet a year, something I responded to, and you chose to ignore. Perhaps you don't take the Post for whatever reason.

pullein

no bet

This thread is now attracting the footie forum idiots. I'm out.

I was replying to you, not him. And you made a comment about the cover price. I buy it every day but that doesn't mean I consider the price to be reasonable. I also smoke cigarettes but think £6+ for 20 is a tad steep.

lol

isn't it the most expensive daily paper in the world?

kenilworth 12 Apr 18:22
newlawncailin, you clearly don't take the RP. Perhaps you find it too expensive....

No mate i dont...Paper is a joke. I do dvds, dogs racing i bet full time....The paper is a complete comic and bookmakers mule. Have sent many letter complaining about being restricted and being closed down left right and center.

I also wrote to them to ask for their opinion on Bald fred voiding my bets after they had won because 'The cashier shouldnt have taken them'

All falling on deaf ears as they wont bite the hand that feeds them


I am entitled to my opinion of pullen and i think his margins and bet are so obscure that the man in the street could never profit from them

Recomendation: No bet

Ronka, why were you replying to me ? My post wasn't to you in the first place. Regards smoking , I don't smoke so don't have an opinion of the quality of their content. That's the way it should be.

I would think as a tipster he has a certain responsibility in not backing heavily what he fancies before he tips it anyway,
surely the bookies know his account or other people who might put on for him which would force the price down ,
it would be self defeating tipping somethign up as value in the paper only to find its been cut before anyone could follow his advice and get on at that price advertised in the RP and presumably once he tips something and peopel follow it up the price shortens anyway so he cant get on at the price he perceived as value

My apologies, I thought this was a forum, I didn't realise you must only speak when spoken to. Should I put my hand up next time?

ronald

ken likes the forum to address him personally before replying to a post

im very sorry ken


no bet

newlawncailin, Why the childish comment about one bet a year ?

This geezer is blatantly kevin Pullein

He does seem to think he's better than everyone else.

Roy, he isn't Kevin Pullein. I had this discussion with Ken recently.

And I'm not Alex the old

ken is the boss of the football forum

no bet

kenilworth are u Pullen? Also is humour lost on you? Get a life mate

DaveEdwards 12 Apr 19:49
Roy, he isn't Kevin Pullein. I had this discussion with Ken recently.



then he is his love child....ive never seen someone get so worked up on a consistent basis over kevin fecking pulling

R0y is seething

R0ykeane 12 Apr 19:48


This geezer is blatantly kevin Pullein

..and you are Ronaldo's dad.

Is that fat Ronaldo or the skillful one?

I do not believe that Kenilworth is Kevin Pullein. I've met Kevin and he's a quiet, laid back, likeable guy. Kenilworth is far more argumentative than I can imagine Kevin ever being, and gets wound up by very trivial coments, which is not a trait I'd expect from the aforementioned laid back, likeable man. Just my opinion of course.

.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ((((º 12 Apr 19:44
"I would think as a tipster he has a certain responsibility in not backing heavily what he fancies before he tips it anyway,
surely the bookies know his account or other people who might put on for him which would force the price down"

agree also makes me think that when they have a good tip
they might not pass it on an pile in them selves

silentprotest, I would have thought that was standard procedure really.

kevin pullein

man utd versus kings arms 3rd x1

man utd should win but the 1-10 odds offer no value, however the kings arms x1 recently won more corners in a recent cup tie and at 6-5 are worth a 0.1pt bet....


match odds no bet

"I would think as a tipster he has a certain responsibility in not backing heavily what he fancies before he tips it anyway"

Come off it, you know anyone who would not back a selection he thinks is value because someone else is going to??

"surely the bookies know his account or other people who might put on for him which would force the price down"

They are only going to take buttons on it anyway, so makes no difference who backs it.

"it would be self defeating tipping somethign up as value in the paper only to find its been cut before anyone could follow his advice and get on at that price advertised in the RP"

Well seing as bet 3 pounds 65 aren't exactly known for taking big bets on anything, let alone obscure markets like 1st corner, I doubt that would concern him, he gets paid to write the comumn regardless.

"and presumably once he tips something and peopel follow it up the price shortens anyway so he cant get on at the price he perceived as value"

Unless of course the bookie allows him on first as a favour for "marking their card" safe in the knowledge that mugs will pile in anyway even when the price is cut.

jbarnes (no not him)

And what is wrong with explaining the situation regarding a potential bet and concluding that no bet is the correct decision in the given situation. I'd suggest that an article like that contained more than one lesson you could benefit from.

"and presumably once he tips something and peopel follow it up the price shortens anyway so he cant get on at the price he perceived as value

Chop, I would think that piece applies to any successful tipster.

if the recommendation is no bet what the **k is the piece doing in the paper?

I am sure it does, but you missed out the bit below (which was my response, not the original point)

Unless of course the bookie allows him on first as a favour for "marking their card" safe in the knowledge that mugs will pile in anyway even when the price is cut.

chop, I would be amazed if Pullein would knowingly do that.

Do you know him then Ken? If not how can you have an opinion about how an individual that you do not know might act?

Mr Pullein rules (no I'm not a relative!).
However, point taken, if he recommends a bet from left-field (same number of goals in each half, etc) the price disappears quickly.
Result? No bet.

Well unless he is a complete idiot (which he quite clearly isn't), he must know that the prices he advises are not available to 99.9% of the people who read the paper he writes for. Hence if he can get the price, of course he's going to take it. He doesn't owe anyone the chance to get on it instead of him.

I don't blame him, just about anyone who isn't a saint would do the same! I just object when somebody says what a great tipster he is when no-one but him and the bookies profit from his tips.

Chop - his corner selections the other day were still available at the advised prices at 11am. I didn't back them, but did check to see if the price was still there. It was. That's more than enough time for anyone readint the paper to get on isn't it, assuming they're lucky enough to have an account they can still get a bet on with.

He makes up unattainable prices for his bets. Could well be kenilworth going on that evidence.

RP has always been a friendly paper for the bookies

exactly & at the end of the day its his job to put up bets.whether he does that bet or not.which i dont think he does

to me pullein's message is a subtle one. what he's saying is 'its a mug's game' so you can't blame him for not spelling it out for you. he needs his job.

lol

Really Mick? Must be very rare that happens :0

As you say though, you still have the job of getting a bet on, and even if you do, how much are you going to be allowed? £25/£50 at the absolute most. All this on something which KP freely admits only has a 1-2% edge?

If there is a single person who backs all his selections and makes a profit, I would be astounded.

The prices last longest when he tips something up with a firm based offshore.....they don't get the paper until the planes arrive and so they don't know it's his shout.

haven't read much pullein, but when I have one thing jumps out at me.

he talks a decent game, and at least makes a case for his bets. but when you stop and actually think about his reasoning, lots of it is just stuff that doesn't necessarily follow.

eg, the other day he advised betting on man u (v chelsea) because the market had to have either overreacted or underreacted to rooney's injury - and how likely was it that it had underreacted? therefore a bet on man u was value.

which all sounds plausible - till you stop and think "hang on, why shouldn't then market have underreacted? and of course, once you asked that, his whole column fell apart.

if he's got a demonstrably good p/l, then fair enough. but I'm not impressed with what I've seen of his reasoning.

chop, you have been told that the prices you claim were unobtainable, were, in fact, available, so then you reluctantly accept that, but claim it must be very rare, and even then probably also only to small stakes. I was going to say, ''you couldn't make it up'' but you really can make it up.

i look forward to his next thrilling piece dave telling me no bet


NO BET

jbarnes, seems to me you await anyone telling you anything. Perhaps one day you will realise it's the ''no bet'' days that make the difference between winning and losing.

There are three main styles of betting, afaik.

1. Value seeking (pricing, looking for wrong prices)
2. Trading/bookmaking/arbing/etc
3. Picking

For anyone involved in #1, Pullein exposes the reason of the 95% losing punter statistic. He is the benchmark by which punters fail. Most people would do well to learn and understand. imho.

kenilworth 13 Apr 07:49
jbarnes, seems to me you await anyone telling you anything. Perhaps one day you will realise it's the ''no bet'' days that make the difference between winning and losing.
...........................................................................

Never a truer word said.

One I constantly struggle with.

Dealing with the inner turmoil of passing on something after your initial thoughts were to get involved is undoubtedly one of the major factors that sets people apart on here. Took me years to come to terms with this.

Funny how all those bets that you had a niggling doubt at the back of your mind always seem to go against you.

Have good day all.

Pullein's column , as is the rest of the paper in terms of tipping , is a joke . His argument that he chooses to focus on these joke Mickey Mouse markets that nobody can get a dollar on because there is very little or no edge in the 1x2 market is utter nonsense . Every single Saturday there are 1x2 prices that are clearly wrong that are much more accessible to the punting public than some poxy corners match bet only available with one poxy firm that will cut the price and / or restrict customers on size . Why doesn't he choose to try to beat a " proper " market ? The Post brag he's the best tipster in the business etc and can't print his winning record enough ( funny how they don't publish ALL of their tipsters .. I wonder why ) .
In short , if you are going to be a tipster , then tip stuff that people can actually get a proper bet on .. why not tip up Asian hcap stuff Kevin ? Shopping around gives a punter a 1% over round book at worst so this fallacy he makes up that " odds complilers make very few maistakes " is total and utter garbage . THEY MAKE DOZENS OF MISTAKES EVERY DAY .

Then and only then , will Pullein ever be regarded as a proper tipster , regardless of what a " nice bloke " he is .

lewisham, perhaps you would care to point out these ''dozens of mistakes'' from, say, this evenings English league programme. Just before kickoff would be early enough.

Ken i'm with you in the belief that KP knows his onions, but Lewishams point that there is a number of markets where value sticks out is true also

and i dont mean a 2/1 shot is 4/1 or anything like that. KPs regular sat tip is a goals in each half even or under advice where a 12/5 shot should be 9/4 etc etc so there is value at the difference levels he is happy to promote.

there is also a lot of value in the spreads whereas KP seems to have adopted the attitude that he has exploited all the value in the spreads over the yrs highlighting overpriced books and multis etc and now its perfectly priced.

Kenilworth you clearly have the brain the size of a peanut and it pains me to even get involved with soembody like you . Firstly I was referring to Saturday fixtures . As for tonight ? Well torquay +0.75 @ 1.88 was a clear mistake in Asia and I hit it . Any more I am afraid I'll have to bill you for .

I tend the buy the post on Fridays and/or Saturdays.

The main reason is that it is convenient for the football stats, but I doi take note of what is written. There is a danger that journlists write what suits their pick

Michael Landon will make a profit over a season and is more interesting to follow for me. Pullien does alot of corner count and bookings, which I have never bet on. I bought Pulleins book but I didn't find alot of great insights and was a bit tedious to read, although sensible stuff. I was going through some old stuff of KP's and found a 10 tips guide which was useful and did not include corners or booking or sell minutes for this and that. It was in a pre season guide pullout.

He came out one week and said " Team x to win the first corner" and people on here were dribbling when it landed.

Tifosi, if the price was wrong what it the problem with tipping that?

Totally obscure market that strikes me as a coin toss. IF the other team had got the kick off and IF the ball had come off the right back as he tried to kick it and gone out for a corner then the bet would've been down in 20 seconds.
No matter what the price is I can't get excited about a bet that has too many variables. Forget the fact that one team has 2 speedy wingers - they need the ball to win a corner.
KP got it right on that occasion and obviously knows his stuff, but that particular bet struck me as too much of a hopeful guess.

Everything has a price. Doesn't matter whetehr you think it's a coin toss, or not an interesting market. I'd bet on a coin toss at 11-10.

Exactly - saying it's a 'coin toss' is like saying a goal scored is random just because you couldn't predict exactly what caused it.

I have no idea what that last post means.

Mick - I'd take 11/10 if you could find someone to give it to me. Trouble is you know that it will be 10/11 on offer.

What I mean is would you ever back a team to win a game? If so, did you know exactly what events would lead up to them winning it, or would a lot of them be random/unpredictable?

The main danger for me in tipping/backing in these types of markets with perceived minimal edge is that bookmakers are likely to be quicker to cut your better bets/change the price than they are the poorer ones. If you allow anything for this possibility then you are dealing with very tight margins when there are bigger elsewhere.

A couple of years ago I queried a statement KP had made about only one pricre in a thousand is wrong & in the same column he talked about how big the advantage of home form is, I wrote a letter to the post about his contradictions & was amazed when the Post printed it, my main gripe has always been when there are 70 matches over a weekend does he not actually ever fancy a team to win or not lose rather than find who is going to get the first corner a bet which really can only be described as a lottery.

does he not actually ever fancy a team to win or not lose rather than find who is going to get the first corner a bet which really can only be described as a lottery.

Panglima, I think you miss the point of Pullein. From what I see, he doesn't fancy anything, be it match odds, or corners, etc, he just puts up a bet based his stats. For the record, he does occasionally stray into match odds, but not very often. I don't know why people get so up tight about him, as far as I'm concerned, if I come to anything in the Post that doesn't interest me I just turn over the page. Perhaps those with the Pullein should do the same.

You might not realise this ken but you appear to get more uptight about him (or, specifically, anything that appears to be contrary to praise of him) than anyone else on here. Maybe you should just take your own advice and simply choose to ignore?

I am amazed that people buy The Racing Post.

I should point out that I am not working form a position of knowledge as to it's current content, but I doubt it has changed from when I last bought it - circa ten years ago.

And even if it has, I don't get the concept of looking to someone else for 'tips', which is what it seemed to be all about and what people like this character apparently get paid for.

Maybe it has some good racing info/stats that can't be found elsewhere (I've no idea, racing is one of the few sports I have absolutely no interest in or knowledge of) but it seems that most people will be buying the paper looking for tips from the writers.

Surely that is no different than phoning a tipping line. And would anyone willingly admit to doing that?

Perhaps I should ammend the above to being amazed that anyone who is 'shrewd' buys it as obviously mugs looking for 'tips' would pay for anything.

Perhaps the people who are giving out 'tips' in there are profitable. Perhaps they do well. But how does that help you unless you are going to back every single tip they give in order to mimic their win/loss ratio.

If there was decent debate on the subjects/events/bets in there then perhaps it would be worthwhile getting but surely that, given that their articles usually end up recommending a bet, the whole article is going to be skewed towards making a case for the tip at the end of it, rather than debating the pros and cons.

In fact, given the nature of a forum, I would imagine that you would find much more useful debate on here from the more intelligent forumites. With more robust questioning and deabte of positions and opinions.

I just don't get paying for the opinion of someone else. Maybe it is a totally different rag to the tip filled paper I picked up as a teenager, I don't know.

game, set & match Ronka

LF, as a racing punter I can tell you that I buy the paper because I find it easier to have form "at a glance" and then go to the website for the historical form (the paper only carries a horse's last three runs for example.) I also use the Signposts section which saves me time in checking trainer changes etc. That is all. The rest of it is of no material use or interest to me whatsoever though I will read Eddie Fremantle's Friday column now that he is onboard with them. Is that worth £1.70 a day? No, of course it isn't. But for the time saved and the relative insignificance compared to punting turnover I pay it. Reluctantly.

Oh, and it's worse than when you were buying it. Much much worse.

Live Forever I would say it was much, much worse than it was years ago

I have always bought it for the racing but obviously looked at the sports betting pages and their tipsters on football seem to be dreadful. I would never take note what they would recommend unless it was due to team news etc.

why they persist with Tony Cascarino's column is bizarre, he's useless

their golf tipster Chapman used to move the market, now it just laughs at him

maybe their tips on the smaller sports are better (I doubt it though)

bar Tom Segal & Gerald Delamere their horse racing tipsters are useless as well

and no one has answered but is it the most expensive daily paper in the world?

Well, I thought that might be the case from a paper with 'Racing' in it's title. If you bet on horses then I imagine it might be a good source of info. As I said, I couldn't tell one end of a horse from another (the judge believed my story that I was trying to feed it) but I always had the impression that the majority of people reading it would be looking for tips.

Certainly, given the amount of people who slate the writers on here for selecting X, Y or Z it seems that many are. Which I can't get my head around.

and it says a lot that Steve Palmers betting blog is the best bit of the sporting section

LF I wouldn't even say its a great source for racing info bar the signposts page

I don't even look at the tipsters page on the racing I just use it as Ronka says for the form as I like the layout for writing my numbers on but also as Ronka says you only get the horses last 3 runs so have to hit the website for previous form.

the circulation is falling year after year yet the price seems to go up and up :^0

i used to get the paper regularly, but gave up around the christmas before last - i couldnt bear to pay the wages of some of the people that write for the rag anymore.

the greyhound part had become a joke. less and less coverage in general and the papers coverage of the stow closure was a cop out and showed the journalists to be a spineless bunch of**ts.

the sports part was getting worse on a daily basis and the final straw were 2 pullein columns in 3 days which quite obviously hadnt been proof read as they made no sense what so ever. the paper only became aware that there was a problem with the column, when i rang up at around 230 that afternoon (so, either nobody read pullein or nobody understood him).

oh and if u think cascarino is bad, treat yrself and take a read of richard birch. this man is so bad, its actually entertaining. he writes in the style of a teenager and has the knowledge of a tool.

is football outlook any better? can never find it :(

^
yes.

I read something by KP the other day about Barca playing Dutch Football but not being Dutch and I just shook my head.

...because the article was too intelligent for you ?

KENILWORTH IS KEVIN PULLEIN


FACT!!!!!!!!!