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IanP
25 Feb 07 14:52
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Someone put up a post on a forum called MSE suggesting that they could lay all the players in the Carling Cup final as the market was 140%.. lol.

You've got to read it to believe it.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=386063

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=386241

Some reported doing 5+. Some seem to have withdrawn their balance when it went t1ts up.

They'll need a lot of money off coupons to get that back !!

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By:
IanP
When: 25 Feb 07 14:53
5K+ I meant.
By:
EnglishTriniWhiteBoy
When: 25 Feb 07 14:59
i haven't read de whole fred but ah know where it's goin

dat kakahole hasn't taken into account non-runners and players coming on after de first goal has been scored :^0

check out de screenshot dat he posted

http://www.sulphur.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/betfair.jpg

:^0

EnglishTriniWhiteBoy
de master of Trini football bet
By:
prekladatel
When: 25 Feb 07 15:01
"Does Not Work!!! Ignore"

lol
By:
Reyes
When: 25 Feb 07 15:01
Classic stuff.
By:
we'vegotpaulsturrocko
When: 25 Feb 07 15:02
yeh but if it says he wins that for each first scorer then surely he is making the money?
By:
we'vegotpaulsturrocko
When: 25 Feb 07 15:02
on the screenshot he's +3000 on walcott so surely ok
By:
sandancer
When: 25 Feb 07 15:03
Ouch!
By:
sandancer
When: 25 Feb 07 15:04
we'vegotpaulsturrocko,

All the lays he made on players who hadn't appeared before the goal will be voided.
By:
Reyes
When: 25 Feb 07 15:04
i love the 'you should try the place markets, it's sometimes over 200% on there!'
By:
cmonurz
When: 25 Feb 07 15:04
No Sturrocko, not necessarily. He is only +3k on Walcott as a result of the lay profits on players like Henry, Ljungberg, Kalou, who aren't playing. So those are voided, and he doesnt get his money to pay off his lay on Walcott.
By:
theLEGENDthatis
When: 25 Feb 07 15:05
i dont ever do the fgs market but i dont see how players coming on after the first goal affect anything as it will already have been settled?
By:
Partridge
When: 25 Feb 07 15:05
nope, he is certainly not ok...

there were 9 voided players i.e. he wouldnt have the money coming in for the bets he layed on them, so the overround/profit is incorrect...

some people will think it's hilarious, i feel well sorry for these people :-(
By:
sjp
When: 25 Feb 07 15:06
Somebody obviously thought it would work on the Inverness/Celtic game too... I backed virtually the whole field at crazy prices - including getting 36 on Baynes, the scorer, at 26s.

Hope fingers are too badly burnt...looking forward to more of these prices!
By:
Five By Five
When: 25 Feb 07 15:07
how can you feel sorry for them when in effect they were trying to 'steal' ugly word isnt it? a quick few thousand without eve nknowing the rules...
By:
cmonurz
When: 25 Feb 07 15:07
Partridge I wouldn't waste much time on them.

I feel about as sorry for these guys as I do for those who back 1.01s, or lay Celtic at 65s with seconds left. Idiotic bets made more small change.

In this particular case, amateurishly rushing into a market without thinking things through - and imho, laying the whole field is completely against the spirit of gambling. Serves 'em right.
By:
BraveInca
When: 25 Feb 07 15:07
its all bull anyway, there is no way he could have layed in those volumes - look at the money thats available to lay on each - just a few quid here and there...
By:
Partridge
When: 25 Feb 07 15:08
what price was Walcott for example, i'm sure he was about 30/1, being fed by a bot
i reckon this is a scam, not as innocent as it may look
By:
Five By Five
When: 25 Feb 07 15:09
question is what does betfair do when these guys obviously have a minues figure on there account a situation you shouldnt really be able to get into.
By:
Systems
When: 25 Feb 07 15:10
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

serves em right
By:
EnglishTriniWhiteBoy
When: 25 Feb 07 15:11
Brave Inca, check he screenshot dat he posted

http://www.sulphur.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/betfair.jpg

looks real to me
By:
sjp
When: 25 Feb 07 15:11
BraveInca 25 Feb 16:07
its all bull anyway, there is no way he could have layed in those volumes - look at the money thats available to lay on each - just a few quid here and there...


There was over 450k matched on this rather than the usual few thousand for a big televised game. I don't believe it is bull...
By:
IanP
When: 25 Feb 07 15:12
One guy claimed to have lost nothing but got over 6000 commission points. Then he looked at his account statement and it showed him owing nearly 12k. You can't really feel sorry for them as they thought they were getting one over on someone else.
By:
Systems
When: 25 Feb 07 15:14
Thet are all arbers and thieves trying to nick a few quid and share the information around - they are clueless fish that do make it pay on the whole. Am actually delighted that a few of them have been stung.
By:
Five By Five
When: 25 Feb 07 15:14
as to balifs and CCJ, i dont think for gambling they can, and just dont answer the door to them
hehe yes i can picture baillifs ringing the bell.. waiting patitently for an answer ;) not that it would ever get that far.
By:
PlastikMan
When: 25 Feb 07 15:15
Going from the screenshot how much will he lose?
By:
Reyes
When: 25 Feb 07 15:15
zero sympathy. muppets
By:
IanP
When: 25 Feb 07 15:16
The screenshot is the guy who now owes 12k.
By:
IanP
When: 25 Feb 07 15:17
Betduck will get a few new sign-ups this week.
By:
The Fuzz
When: 25 Feb 07 15:18
cheeky muppets withdrawing all their money trying not to play
By:
jambojack
When: 25 Feb 07 15:22
betfair lose out, they can't get the money back from these guys
By:
Systems
When: 25 Feb 07 15:22
At least BF will have a paper trail of it
By:
layer1982
When: 25 Feb 07 15:24
how will betfair stop peole doin this?
By:
Vincent Graviano AKA"Big Tuna"
When: 25 Feb 07 15:26
This is not like a normal market where all outcomes are possible, you *will* lose money when bets are voided because players don't start. In fact this is a classic betfair forum windup/ramp tactic. And yes you can overrun your betfair balance doing this

taken from that thread ^

what part has the betfair forum played in this?
By:
BraveInca
When: 25 Feb 07 15:27
think he means its been tried on the forum in the past...
By:
Vincent Graviano AKA"Big Tuna"
When: 25 Feb 07 15:28
oh i see
By:
Innocent Bystander
When: 25 Feb 07 15:28
Thought betfair closed that loophole a long time ago after a cricket highest runscorer rick? one of the batsmen accounted for about 25% of the market wasnt going to play - an overround was put up and a bot kept eating up the overround. BF subsequently changed so the maximum liability was taken from your exposure (sure someone can explain better)

So you cant keep laying the overround if your balance cant cover the worst case scenario (with non runners)
By:
cmonurz
When: 25 Feb 07 15:29
I am personally inclined to highlight this thread to BetFair, to ensure that these greedy dimwits are chased for their money. Some of them even closing bank accounts, cancelling cards now.
By:
Five By Five
When: 25 Feb 07 15:31
the same people (and in particular that reason chap) are all boasting about taking free money from casinos bookies match bets etc etc.. what goes around comes around eventually and i do hope they do end up paying for this (although reality is betfair will no doubt end up paying)
By:
layer1982
When: 25 Feb 07 15:31
yep we should all protect Betfair!
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