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Its quite a good debate this one (unusual for this particular subject, must have some normal people on ) keep it going
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stop comparing to jsut 2 clubs, another 89 in the league who would love that shoe stringbudget, has mav has stated Rafa has bought so much carp with the cash he has spent! too many of his signings under 10m are useless.
He cant find gems on his own, a Clichy for 250k, Toure for 500k etc. |
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RP a good debate on Betfair forum! whatever next :-)
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But he isn't being compared against 89 other teams hes being compared against Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal.
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Carlton Cole will be the final piece in the jigsaw
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The two arsenal gems have won nothing in the last 3 years, same as the liverpool gems, they have also finished behind the liverpool gems in the league 3 out of 4 seasons, its not always that straight forward imo
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maverick:
that has been put together by a fan who used liverpool history which has the exact prices . the times LOL leto went for 3 million haven't even looked at the rest. now i'm sure you wouldn't get hoodwinked by the meedja,but even you must see there is an anti-benitez campaign in the press |
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duncan, list your starting XI for last season on paper .. and then compare to the starting XI of Man U,Chelsea & Arsenal for the last time those sides won the league.
There is a lot of players in the side that are good but not good enough. |
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I agree. To me it seems there are 2 types of manager. One type sees themself as a shop steward, almost the enemy of the board, and constantly challenges the board to provide them with more funds and in the fans mind links success to the backing they are given. Benitez is the poster boy for this type of manager but others are redknapp, keegan. These guys demand a budget and then find players to spend it on.
The other type sees themself as a stakeholder in the club itself, on a par with the board and spends money like it is their own (wenger, moyes). These guys target specific players and if they can get them they do, if they can't they don't go out and spend the money on the next best thing. |
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a liverpool fan? so no biased there then! :-)
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You are always judged on what you spend and i admire the way you lot stick up for Benitez but he has been a shocker in the transfer market!
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sorry chicken but there is no such thing as exact prices. Transfers do not always have a headline price but have numerous variables. The fact you say it was put together by a fan puts me on alert right away
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i'm a liverpool fan and i fully expect a ribbing, but not with in- accurate posting spurs and sunderland have out spend us this summer NET
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Why was Nemeth sent out on loan? Saw him pre season. Looked like a classy player. Scored a ridiculous amount of goals for your reserves or so I'm lead top believe.
Should he not have been kept? |
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maverick
fair play but it has been backed up with facts i'll look for the website it is a liverpools own site and it's is their history of transfer dealings |
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lehmann
lauren,toure,campbell,cole ljungberg,viera,gilberto,pires henry,bergkamp. cech ferreira,carvalho,terry,bridge robben,makalele,lampard,duff drogba,crespo van der sar, evra,vidic,rio,o'shea carrick,anderson,scholes ronaldo,giggs,rooney. Roughly, the starting XI for the PL winning sides of those clubs. Compare those with Liverpool ?? |
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I guess he was sent out for experience, he is still young, plays up front for his country, but was alwas going to be behind torres, babel, and even voronin (wrong I know) due to lack of experience, it may well have been the wrong decision, but I think Rafa thinks the reserve leagues are next to useless for advancing young players, so I guess thats why imo
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on loan to get first team experience. agree though. he was let out on loan as benitez said he'd have money for one more big signing(didn't happen as owners paid of their debt with it)
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lehmann 3m
lauren, 5m toure,500k campbell Free ,cole Free ljungberg 2.5m ,viera,3.5m gilberto 4m ,pires 7m henry 10.5m ,bergkamp.7.5m :-0 |
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down to wenger. some brilliant buys but that was a while ago i mean look of the price of henry and bergkamp and put that next to stewart downing you get ** all now for 10 mill
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lehmann/
lauren,/johnsontoure,campbell,cole ljungberg,viera,gilberto,pires henry,bergkamp. cech ferreira,carvalho,terry,bridge robben,makalele,lampard,duff drogba,crespo van der sar, evra,vidic,rio,o'shea carrick,anderson,scholes ronaldo,giggs,rooney. Roughly, the starting XI for the PL winning sides of those clubs. Compare those with Liverpool ?? Riena johnson carragher agger aurellio maybe not as good but not far behind (cara last season) aquellani (who knows) Gerrard masherano benayoun a midfield 4 with twoas good as any of above Torres ( currently as good as all) berkamp/henry (time will tell) no other striker good enough imo So this 10 for me playing regular with another striker and some other bench current squad players would be good enough to challenge this season current 6 teams above again my opinion |
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Mascherano/benayoun/riera/gerrard dont match up to the other midifelders.
Only Gerrard would have a chance of displacing any member of the others sides midfield imo. |
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nor would the back 4.
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only gerrard would have chance??Christ he would walk into any of those teams
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I disagree. Gerrard is a great player if the team is built around him. He's not so much a cog as the whole bloody machine.
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lauren,/toure,campbell,cole ljungberg,viera,gilberto,pires henry,bergkamp Riena is as good as lehman, look at his statistics, and thats playing behind aback 4 you say are not as good Johnson is no worse than Lauren, carragher is/was as good as toure if not better mascherano as good as silva in the holding role, not as good as viera Gerrard is as good as/better than viera, and better than all the rest Torres is probably world class, the arsenal two where defo world class, but its a good alterantive Its all about opinions the players mentioned would all get in the other sides imo, |
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As I said the ten players I mentioned playing regulary with one more striker would challenge for the league this season imo, hopefully after xmas they will be available and we can get verdict on m opinion
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Put like that you do have a point, i just hate this shoestring budget excuse!
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im talking like for like positions.
Gerrard you can put in place of a Scholes or Lampard or Viera, they are all top class players. But the other players to go around are thin and far between in the Liverpool squad. |
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C'mon, would any top team have taken Voronin back if they weren't skint?!
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would any team have bought Silvestre if they weren't skint ?
At the end of the day (cliche) rafa has made too many poor signings. |
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iyo
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I can understand people getting annoyed over that line of excuse, given the amounts spent, It may well be that he has a deeper insight to the money available and financial situation and he is eluding to that fact, I honestly dont know, I have to say his dealing with he press over recent matters that have gone against or proved awkward has made me look at him with more respect, after the beech ball thing he blamed the teams perfromance , he admitted the ngog decision was wrong, all whilst he is under pressure
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There's alot of hysterical garbage written on here about Liverpool and their record under Benitez both from opposition fans and Liverpool fans themselves. Far too much to really go into in any detail.
I would agree that he's significantly improved the squad from the team he inherited, in almost every position, he also improved the performances of carragher and gerrard significantly (fair to say Carraghers on the wane now though). Their full and fit first XI would be more than capable, as they proved last year, of beating anyone. The teams they have fielded for every defeat this season, with possibly the exception of the Chelsea game were capable of getting results or put it another way - before the kick off would any Liverpool fan have swapped their first XI for the opposition first XI? Unlikely imo. The arguments about money completely miss the point in my opinion, Benitez is happy to let this myth of having no real money to spend continue as it lowers expectation and is a ready made excuse to trot out should they fail. The fact that they came within home victories against any 2 of WHU/Fulham and Hull of a title last year should be enough to dispel this myth for good, all those teams spend a fraction of Liverpools budget and yet they failed to beat them. The other point people tend to make is that teams like United have multi million pound players on their bench, that is true but ask the same fans their opinion of these expensive subs and they'll almost certainly tell you they're cr4p, Nani / Anderson / carrick / Berbatov and even Rooney are all regularly slated on here by the exact same fans that will point to Liverpools lack of funds to match their purchases. The other issue is that the money situation is unlikely to change anytime soon with G&H in charge, there's always the chance that a Middle East billionaire will come to the rescue but the prospect of spending upwards of 400m on a stadium before spending a single penny on the squad will be a stumbling block. If we accept the ludicrous assertion that Benitez works 'on a shoestring' that leaves Liverpool unable to compete at the very top level then is Benitez right? Do people expect too much? Are Liverpool at best fighting for 4th from now on? |
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Eventually he will be sacked and then we can all agree he makes some very poor decisions.
In the meantime: I :x Rafa. |
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seems some confusion in the Robbie Keane deal, chicken
soccerbase and Spurs seem to report a decent profit (£8.3 m on soccerbase, £20.3 vs £12) whereas you have a more optimistic £3m loss for Liverpool soccerbase also has Gonzalez at £4.5m (not £1.5m as you state), and Crouch out at £9m (not £11m). and how on earth did anyone pay £2m for Alou Diarra when he never kicked a ball for Liverpool in three seasons? as maverick says, its often hard to get a real figure for many of these deals. some have add-ons depending on apps, trophies, some figures are reported as transfer + wages to make them seem more exciting (eg "Torres signed in £26m deal" might mean £20m transfer + £6m wages) |
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Liverpools squad cost £158m
5 other sides in the Prem have squads costing £230m-£260m These are facts! |
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Also, for those who criticise Rafa's record, he has only ever lost money on 4 transfers I believe. Thats not bad.
But as usual, Sir Digby speaks alot of sense |
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what are those 5 other teams! sure it aint Arse!
and if he buys crap and lets them go at cheaper prices that wont be in squad prices |