The only staking progression that might prove effective is a positive one: up after a winner using a modified Fibonacci type sequence, so that when a loser comes, you don't lose all the profit. I still haven't managed to keep this going long-term though.

Grun, I've tried positvie prog's as well. Have a look at the guetting progression on google. It was a ** to program on xfeeder but I remember from a previous post that you said your selection method was pretty consistent in hitting sequences of wins. The guetting is pretty good at protecting your money whilst losing and increasing it whilst winning. I never really had the patience to test it properly because it was too slow to interest me back in the day when all I could see was making thousands a day, lol.

Another decent thread ruined.

Why ruined? Because somebody aired an opinion?

Moving on from the exchange games are fixed theme...Frog what would you look for when selecting which small percentage of games to play? My spidey senses are tingling.

No Jazza, not at all.
Just not enough of them have meat and potatoes in them..
Slax
Well that is basically the Holy Grail question isn't it ?
If I knew, I'd be crazy to tell you wouldn't I ?

Also despite Jazza's somewhat pithy dismissive statement above that if you're making lots of money the commission doesn't matter, the below examples show how much it matters.
Let's use the case of laying the exotic DWTA in Blackjack.
The theoretical true odds are ( 1/2.76) +1
The real playing odds without commission are ( 1/2.78) +1
The real playing lodds with commission are ( .975/2.78) +1
The without comm. odds are 99.28 % of the theoretical odds, whilst the with comm. odds are only 96.79 % of the theoretical odds.
That is the edge you have to beat is increased from less than 1% to over 3% by the commission factor.
A more than 200 % increase . Pretty significant I would say.

The maxim is that if it can happen it will eventually.

[b]Btw Jazza will undoubtedly say that you were ambushed by a bunch of thieves

Not at all. This is normal for the so incorrectly named "games".

They will shaft you sooner if not later.

Why? Because they can. SIMPLZ.

Attention, attention!
Jazza reaces new heights of paranoia.
" In most cases, they will know what you are going to bet on next before you have placed your bet ".
I seriously hope you're just taking the michael Jazza.
Otherwise I think you had better check yourself in for some urgently needed brain surgery.
Or take a rocket to out of space and convene with those aliens who are obviously occupying your head space more and more these days.

Yes, my paranoia has now reached the level that I actually believe that a gambling site only exists to make money. Madness I know, as most of them are run as a charity to enable us to win easy money.

Surely if you have been targeted to lose then the person who matched your bet would have won?

Correct. So who matched my bet. Betfair.

Is that correct FAFH?

Really? OK. I must be wrong.

Can't be @rsed anymore. Carry on winning.....as you must be doing.

You're right Less---.
But Jazza has made up his mind and will not be convinced otherwise.
I just hope he doesn't take this approach into other more serious areas of his life.
Jazza
I repeat that my systems perform live exactly the same as non-live.
I agree that the games are not a charity and that BF does not expect to lose long term.
However they are simply relying on the long term effects of the negative expectation to get them over the line, nothing else is required.
If somebody comes along who has a perfect winning system, that defies all the odds of mathematical logic then, depending on that person not taking ridiculous amounts out of BF's pocket in winnings, BF will probably carry on as usual.
However, if BF ever resultantly gets into a long term losing scenario on the games, then I presume they would consider closing them down, or negotiating with the big winner to leave a bit more behind than he is doing.
All very hypothetical though imo.

Unbelievable. I give up.

Geez have I hit a nerve at last Jazza ?.
I hope so for your sake.
You need either to stop involving yourself with Xgames or reassessing your whole "** obsession.
It ain't healthy buddy.
You cannot substantiate your ridiculous claims of the games being unfairly and illegally manipulated by BF, because there is nothing to substantiate.
You're blaming your own failure with them on everything but your own intellectual shortcomings.
Get a life.

Hello to everyone,
I read another thread some time back with a reply from Betfair regarding their 'Random number generator'. They said it was a hardware device that used "background noise" (I've no idea but I think that was the phrase) to generate the numbers. The implication being that this was unable to be interfered with on a continuing basis even by themselves.
I have a healthy dose of cynicism but I think on balance to**the games would be to big a lie to keep. Malta notwithstanding.

For what it's worth, I dont think the exchange games are fixed. They dont need to be. Because of odds and commision they dont have to be. How many people on here believe roulette is fixed? I also believe that betfair do provide the vast majority of liquidity across the board in exchange games and that they themselves are subject to the randomness of the RNG. I'm sure that if they only provided the money for one single selection and one sort of bet that they would lose money at times on that bet but because they provide the money on all selections all the time they can easily withstand some successful players or some lucky bets etc. For every guy that has an awesome system that makes a grand, there are at least ten others that are blowing there bankroll and cursing unbelievable bad runs. Yes, betfair takes commission but I think that the key to success for them is to be able to play 24/7, match any and all bets all the time and be able to play the long game and be there at 2am in the morning to be on the other end of some poor sod laying high odds selections and doubling up etc. I've noticed that no one ever comes on here and shouts about making a £1000 in a week etc, something I've done 4 times before now but instead, when a seemingly impossible run happens it's a** When I have lost money on here, it has been because my system/style has a weakness that is susceptible to a certain set of results. No mystery. No** It's the nature of the game and I know what the upsides and the downsides are before I start. Betfair dont put a gun to my head and make me bet.