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Fantastic input as per usual Marychain.
"This descent is horrendous and terrifying in bad weather (I speak from personal experience). This time any attack on the descent could stick because after the descent the riders only face the Cat 3 Cauterets, rather than the HC Hautacam. Its an absolutely stunning decent in great weather tho Marychain (my greatest day ever on a bike) overtaking cars and buses @ 70kph The ride up to Cauterets is stunning Pyrenean scenic beauty @ its best a power climb if they have anything left in the tank after the Tourmalet. Great oppourtunity for Nibali if he can stay with them over the Tourmalet and could easily nick a minute on the descent |
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When I did the Tourmalet it was ok on the lower slopes but the rain came in about halfway up. I stopped and put on my gilet and I was ok at the top, the climbing keeps you warm. We even stopped for photos at the summit. But literally as soon as we started to descend the rain and wind chill meant I was so cold I started to shake. It was so cold I could not properly grip the handlebars, and there were crashes all around me. I could not beleive how long the descent went on for, it was almost 40 minutes of non-stop descent and I had whole body shakes the whole way down. There was a feed station at the bottom of the Tourmalet, I think it was in the town of Luz-St-Saveur and it was like a refugee zone, people off the bikes and huddled together under shelter for warmth. People were coming out of houses with coffee, soup and silver red cross blankets for riders. I think about 4,000 riders abandoned in total and I reckon most of them must have been at that point. Strangers were cuddling each other for heat, people were crying everywhere and the guy I did the ride with urinated on himself twice on purpose between the Tourmalet and the start of the Hautacam just for the warmth. It was the most extreme conditions I have ever cycled in. It got better in the valleys, the sun even came out, but it was pretty scary for a while. That descent was just pure hellish. That's me at the top, on the right.
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You called me a f***ing troll swinging pick. Well you're an arrogant f***ing loudmouth from a Chinese mining colony.
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These are my favourite stages, one where there should hopefully be a break and trying to get some meaty prices then hoping they make the split... and the break holds...
Machedo Moribito Kangert Geschke Fugslang Spoilsports have some good prices and ew top 5. |
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Rolland / J-Rod / Fugslang / Mollema.
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This has break written all over it. Backed the usual suspects.
Riblon Tommy V Rui Costa |
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Really thought it would be a day for a break today and was waiting to see who is in it.
So far just a break of 4 after 41km and only 40 secs ahead, a strong quartet Westra, Kwiatowski, Jungels, and Boasson Hagen but little chance of them staying away. They needed at least double that amount of riders to really make it go pover the climbs. Hopefully there will be a counter attack on the Aspin or lower slopes of tourmalet, and I will try to get involved then! |
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The nature of this type of stage dictates the difficulty with which the GC teams can ride tempo and close to the course to attacks. The peloton essentially gets disrupted from the very first climb, and then multiple breaks form causing an almost chaotic scenario with breaks at different points along the road. I therefore agree with the consensus that a break gets established here, and would in addition add that at a certain point in the stage these breaks merge or reform into a considerable break which might might have the firepower to stay away to the finish.
CJ suggested that Rui Costa was either still experiencing difficulty or he might be saving himself for today, I have not found an answer one way or the other, although I think he might be saving himself for the Gap stage. Whilst I too enjoy solving the likely break at ante-post and harvesting the shortening price for a good trade, I have found it really difficult for this stage, my contact has not been in touch which makes it that much more difficult, and given the perceived chaotic nature of this stage, I nevertheless think there may be plenty of opportunities IR to jag a good price or lay some unlikely rider in the break. Mathias Frank is suited for this type of stage, however I cannot count on his motivation as I haven't got confirmation from him nor the team. I think probably Valverde might trade higher than his present price, and have started with that play. Good luck to all SP P.S. MC -- really lovely to get to know you like this mate -- love the jersey -- you look like a good bloke if you don't mind me saying -- thanks for sharing your experiences and adventures in this sport we all love so much, in the areas the riders are covering at this point of the Tour. |
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I've found the answer to the Rui Costa question.. He's been dropped on the first cat.3
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The early break has been caught already! Good news we should definitely some attacks now on the aspin and hopefully a bigger group get allowed to go.
Looks like the peleton has split in to two groups, and Rui Costa is in second half so he must still be suffering. |
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My last day here, since betfair will close here(Portugal) because of new regulation
Im with a few long shots GL ALL |
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Sorry to hear that EB, the forum will be lighter for your absence, however you could try changing your ISP -- that might work? All the best,
SP |
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It seems it wont work, and we wont have any bets here until regulation is ready, that can take several months. Already was emailed by betfair.
I will be here to give some insights whenever i can. |
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Soon Betfair is going to be UK only
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Can you not use an asian broker to access the Betfair markets?
Not sure if it's appropriate for cycling betting though. |
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Voeckler, Pauwels, Majka, Morabito & Buchmann have nearly 2 mins.
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3min:30 looking good for the breakaway. One of my boys there (Morabito) but with Majka there, it would be almost impossible to win.
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wtf is D.Martin doing, trying to bridge almost 4minutes? thats crazy
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Rui Costa now 11mins back in the last group. Possible abandon coming?
Wonder why Martin didn't wait for the climb to go? Would have made things a lot easier. |
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Have backed Morabito 18/1 and also Dan Martin 18/1 both ew.
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Because on the climb the peloton will be 7-8 min behind... he should have gone when Simon and Demare went, not now! Wasting energy for nothing
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Martin has Grivko with him so i think a fair chance they will make the bridge across.
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They are burning themselves and they took less than one minute, even if they get there they will be dead
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Not sure whether to trust this GPS too much but J-Rod is off the back of the peloton.
Rui Costa group have supposedly made 5 mins and are back in the peloton so sceptical. |
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Yes not looking good for Martin as Grivko has had to sit up just 2km in to the climb! Only 2 mins 40s behind now but is going to cost him a lot of energy just getting across.
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Martin's going to bridge before the summit by the look of it.
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Martin is in the cars behind the break and can see Demare. Top riding to get over.
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So much for resting after bridging. Martin sprints away for the KOM points.
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Superb by Martin, is obviously targeting the KOM as really went for it there.
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Great ride, he has to be really strong to comeback that easy, but will probably pay it later.
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who do you think. martin or majka?
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Not sure this is a Backer's market just yet, looks more like a Layer's market still, with the gap coming down fast and within range of being picked off by attacks out of the peloton.
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Not sure why Astana are chasing if it's not for Nibali to try something on the descent. Can't see Fuglsang going on the downhill?
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Thank you Martin backers, that was a great last day!
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Peloton down to 15? riders.
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Astana's tactics are a joke. They lost the GIRO because they are stupid and are just doing the same.
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Fuglsang out the back so it must be Nibali?
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