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Here we go then, penultimate stage of the 2015 Giro, the last summit finish and in fact the last climbing of any note. At nearly 200k, and bearing in mind the extraordinary pace of the peloton through this race, and the difficulty of the preceeding days, this will be another very testing stage. The final GC questions will be resolved on top of Sestriere which is a Cat 3 climb when taken from the Lattea side as we do, but follows on from the Cima Coppi, the legendary Colle Delle Finestre, this should give us fireworks to finish what has been a fantastic Grand Tour. We start to the stage is fairly innocuous, we start in St Vincent, in the Aosta Valley and head almost directly South towards Turin across the whole Po Valley. These first 150km are very flat as we get closer to the Cole Delle Finestre. The route rolls through the Canavese area via Ivrea and Rivarolo Canavese, it rolls past Venaria Reale and reaches the Susa Valley before the road starts to head upwards at 150km.
This is a fearsome climb. The one thing it has in its favour for the riders is that the gradient is steady. But it is steady at 9%+. There are early ramps at 14% but then it is 9% for the rest of the climb. The climb is 18.5km in total, and the first half is well paved but the final 9km are on dirt road. There are 45 hairpins on this climb, including 29 in the first 4km. After three weeks and several days of hard climbing only the strongest will still be in the vanguard of the bunch at the top of this climb. The descent is no time to relax either, as the descent is steep, narrow, technical and unprotected. The riders will be praying for good weather or this descent could end someone's race. The descent does get easier as we get on to the lower slopes but the road soon ramps back up again as we head to Sestriere, the final climb on the 2015 Giro.

Sestriere is not the hardest climb by itself, it is only 9km long, and averages only 5.5%. However, Sestriere is high, peaking at 2035m and it is the height, and the proximity to the preceeding climb that will make Sestriere hard. The steepest ramps are 9% and are at about 4.5km from the top. After that the slope eases back to about 6% for the next few km. There is one steeper ramp at 7.2% just before the finish. Sestriere has been the arrival destination for 5 previous stages of the Giro d'Italia, most recently back in 2011 when Vasil Kiryienka won stage 19. This stage could suit someone like Rigoberto Uran.


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Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 6:26 AM BST
So, the-no-stage-win-but-win-on-GC contention was put to Contador after yesterday's stage, and he openly admitted that the stage win was not his priority but rather defending the leader's jersey was his only concern on stage 19. To me, that sounded a little inconsistent from what he showed on the stage approaching the final.

Hesjedal was the first to attack that select group and the first rider to counter was Contador. Now, I believe Contador responded to Hesjedal conclusively, even though he is no threat to him so close to the finish -- in order to test his legs and strength to bury himself for the last few kms. He got on quite easily, and I thought here we go, Contador is looking like he has good sensations, however I think he just didn't have the legs or was concerned about an all-out brawl against him with the other riders still present, and he was happy to sit on.

Essentially, I don't buy Bertie's position that winning on GC without a stage win is of no concern for him. The stage yesterday might have been a GC consolidation of sorts, however given the same or similar scenario today, and I think even if he doesn't have the legs he must go for the victory. I just don't understand, in the form he is in at this Giro and the emphatic nature of his approaching GC victory -- that he won't want to suffer one last time to raise his arms in victory for the stage and for the exclamation point which will be his second Giro win.

Uran is riding proudly and agree it could suit him, but I can't go past Contador, both as a trade and straight out win.

Good luck to all,
SP
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 8:36 AM BST
The problem with Contador is that if he wants to go for the stage win, he must be strong than everyone and go alone or he will take Landa-Hesjedal-Aru-Kruisjwisk on his wheel and in the end he looses. And he doesnt want to race for the other so hes happy to sit and control Landa and Aru probably. And the stage is a bit tricky with the super hard climb there, but than you have a dificult descent and a easy climb to the finish that doesnt suit Contador.

I can see something like yesterday, with Astana controling for the stage win and the GC guys battling for it. I made some small bets on Mikel Nieve, Monsalve,Intxausti, Pelizzoti, looking for a break away, even though i think the breakaway wont make it till the finish.

Good luck to all.
Report OnTheChase May 30, 2015 9:39 AM BST
Contador to ride away for the win.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 11:13 AM BST
That's very strong analysis EB -- I simply cannot reject it. Admittedly, there are some holes in my theory as a result, but I'm anticipating a high pace on the front and then some fireworks amongst the likely stage participants, and in that type of event Contador has proven he is the best from the rest, but yes he will require some luck in running based on what you have advanced so solidly.
Report OnTheChase May 30, 2015 12:58 PM BST
If Contador decides to go for the win, I don't think the others (apart from maybe Landa) will be able to stay on his wheel.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 1:28 PM BST
I think Landa has the power to stay with Contador if he attacks. And then we have a fast descent and 9km of easy climb. Quiet open finish if no team does the race really hard to make a big selection at the very beggining of the Finestre.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 2:17 PM BST
I think on yesterday's ride Aru might be capable of answering, however it would appear he requires his own pace. Nevertheless, Aru looked strong when in full commitment, and I certainly wouldn't lay against him sticking with Landa and Contador.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 2:43 PM BST
got some zakarin at @150 trying to trade later if he wins a bit of time before the GC guys attacks
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 2:46 PM BST
Trading already @15! Will wait 2 or 3 minutes more if he continues to win time like this it will be below @10 very soon
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 2:50 PM BST
Damn, Zakarin is flying! Ill risk and wait a bit more, he could be a real contender here
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 2:55 PM BST
He's on a good ride here, Zakarin. We know he can keep going like this from the evidence in Romandie, but this is a major step-up in class. Would definitely lay some off at this point, especially now that there are some accelerations in the peloton.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:01 PM BST
Wondering if there will be any significant mechanicals as the riders hit the dirt?
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:07 PM BST
Layed some @12 but will keep all my winnings on him, he looks very good, and can win a couple of seconds on the descent
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:08 PM BST
Kruiswijk is like the canary in the cage in the GC selection group -- they're gaining time on Zakarin whilst he rides tempo -- not looking good for Zakarin.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:08 PM BST
All safe for now SP. Kruijswick takes the mountain classification
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:11 PM BST
Actually, with the battle for the stage win, and after the mountais classification decided, we could see some indecision in the group, and that could favour Zakarin.
And btw, this Zakarin looks so much like Froome, its impressive.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:12 PM BST
And i already backed off my lay on Contador, even if i think he wont win
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:12 PM BST
If it becomes heavily tactical in the GC group and Zakarin holds 2 mins, I'd be somewhat confident in his descending skills and the cat 3 to the finish, which is right up his alley -- but he continues to lose time and here come the accelerations.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:14 PM BST
Like ive been telling for the last days, AST has done an awfull race. Landa could win this race.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:14 PM BST
Game over Zakarin, I think.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:17 PM BST
Bertie riding like yesterday -- Landa looks good here.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:17 PM BST
Yes its over for him, Landa is too strong. Almost a minute in 2km. Damn, AST rood so bad all the Giro.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:18 PM BST
Tall and lanky and elbows flapping! Laugh
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:19 PM BST
Sorry SP, but yesterday Contador didnt go all in, but today he couldnt keep up with Landa, its different
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:21 PM BST
Landa barring a mechanical, and we haven't seen one yet from what I can tell...
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:23 PM BST
2km for the top, zakarin can ride on Landa's wheel.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:23 PM BST
He couldn't go with Aru yesterday either though, stays in the GC selection protecting his lead -- what's changed?
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:24 PM BST
Like i said, Contador is cooked
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:24 PM BST
Contador having his bad day!?
Report OnTheChase May 30, 2015 3:25 PM BST
I was totally wrong about Contador !!
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:27 PM BST
Zakarin will be suited by the gradient of the final slope if he sticks on with Landa -- but I haven't forgotten Landa's turn-of-speed.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:29 PM BST
Yep, totally wrong about Bertie here, also. Plenty of opportunities left in this stage, though.
Report nugget May 30, 2015 3:29 PM BST
Contador missed a bag?
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:31 PM BST
Zakarin sticking on, finding his second wind. Landa still my pick on previous evidence -- has done less work than Zakarin who has been in the lead much longer.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:31 PM BST
I wasnt :) And Landa wins the mountain Classification if hes 1º in the stage!
Report nugget May 30, 2015 3:32 PM BST
Uran looks fresh
Report geoff m May 30, 2015 3:35 PM BST
great race to watch . But if this game is still clean im a Dutchman.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:39 PM BST
If Landa is 2º he scores the same points as Visconti. Who wins?
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:40 PM BST
Zakarin doing wonders for Landa's price as Zakarin refuses to drift off the back -- working hard!
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:40 PM BST
Landa I think, count back stage winner, I'd say.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:42 PM BST
Yes, i guess thats right.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:43 PM BST
And now i lay my winnings on Zakarin making this a trully epic Giro.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:44 PM BST
Zakarin has to sit on Landa's wheel and win the stage.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:45 PM BST
Landa complaining about Zakarin doing no work whilst you guys are in the ad-break.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:49 PM BST
Aru chasing Landa... great work once more Astana...
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:52 PM BST
Landa cooperating...
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:53 PM BST
Yes, i think Landa is just riding a medium pace to the climb and then will go all in, because zakarin doesnt help
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:54 PM BST
About time to cover some of the chasers, Landa almost sitting up here.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:55 PM BST
Landa was smart. If he went strong, Zakarin would probably win
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:56 PM BST
LOLOL ASTANA is putting Landa doing the work, unbelievable from Astana...
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:57 PM BST
Landa still has the best turn of speed, but isn't going as well as expected. Hesjedal has done a lot of work as has Zakarin. Uran has spat the dummy, and Aru looks fresh.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 3:58 PM BST
Kruiswijk suited by the finish being flat and deserves the win!
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 3:59 PM BST
Landa wont win, thats for sure. AST lost the mountain classification and probably the stage to put time on Contador(??). Terrible
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 4:00 PM BST
Landa and Kruiswijk for me, Zakarin bad result.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 4:01 PM BST
Zakarin, thank you!
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 4:04 PM BST
Uran looks like he is suffering, not laying though.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 4:05 PM BST
AST want the bonus for Aru, good enough for me!
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 4:06 PM BST
AST is probably the worst team ever, regarding to tactics
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 4:06 PM BST
AST is probably the worst team ever, regarding to tactics
Report nugget May 30, 2015 4:07 PM BST
AST look like they found something extra on the second rest day.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 4:09 PM BST
Uran will probably win.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 4:09 PM BST
Landa looks best, but AST may lose the stage if they go with Aru.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 4:11 PM BST
Impressive from Aru!
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 4:11 PM BST
Impressive from Aru!
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 4:11 PM BST
Aru!
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 4:13 PM BST
That's good tactics from AST, they knew Aru was going well and instructed Landa to sit up, to set-up the stage win and bonus for Aru, hoping Bertie breaks completely. Smart stuff! Nice ride Aru to finish off the plan!
Report nugget May 30, 2015 4:13 PM BST
lol at Aru's form this Giro.  Started like a house on fire.  Then he faded and was getting dropped by everyone.  Now in the third week he is the strongest and drops everyone.
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 4:14 PM BST
Are you kidding me? They lost the mountain classification, that they would've won if they let Landa go
Report nugget May 30, 2015 4:15 PM BST
yeah I'm sure Landa was chuffed
Report bb66 May 30, 2015 4:16 PM BST
strage tactics by AST throwing away the KOM for Landa
Report ExpertBoy May 30, 2015 4:18 PM BST
Yes worst tactics ever, since the beginning! Today they could have been celebrating the 1º place in the GC, mountain classification and stage, instead of "only" stage.
Report nugget May 30, 2015 4:20 PM BST
maybe they weren't thinking straight with all the extra oxygen in their blood
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 4:30 PM BST
If Bertie broke completely or suffered a mechanical, the GC is obviously more important than KOM for AST -- plus it shows them working as a team and that's great long term for team unity, harmony, and cohesion. If Contador bombed completely, everyone would be saying these are the tactics they should've employed for bonus time.

A young rider can break in terms of career by being found out the way Aru was earlier in the race with everyone saying AST's man was Landa, here. Now Aru gets his second stage, closes a massive gap to a somewhat more fair one, and he finishes the race with great confidence -- he knows the team is behind him. I have absolutely no problems with those tactics, especially when they're telegraphed so clearly.

AST were looking into the future with their young GC star -- signed on for the next two years, remember. Great management!
Report CJ70 May 30, 2015 4:37 PM BST
Have to feel for Hesjedal there, a few less silly time losses earlier and he could have potentially won his 2nd Giro. Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 4:43 PM BST
Will Aru win a GT in the next 3-5 possible GT appearances? If the answer or eventual evidence is 'yes' than AST won a lot more than the stage today.

Hesjedal showed some fight, I'll give him that.
Report bb66 May 30, 2015 4:49 PM BST
the chanced of catching AC was never more than 1%, and Landa's Chance of winning a GT at least as good as Aru's, they only played Aru because he's Italian.
Report nugget May 30, 2015 5:00 PM BST
Looking at Aru's performance in this race I think Henderson can feel vindicated.
Report SwingingPick May 30, 2015 5:28 PM BST
I only see it as a win-win for AST -- the 1.01's go off occasionally, you know!

Plus, Aru is the future for AST, got a year on Landa and is improving in every GT start: 5/3/2. Landa, on the other hand, has either just extended his contract with AST or got a better price for his services with MOV as they look to cover Valverde in the next two years or thereabouts. Either way, he doesn't have the dynamic qualities of Aru, and whilst he might win a GT as he continues to improve approaching his prime, he just doesn't have the "star quality" about him in the way Aru does.

Confirmation of much of this to me will be evidenced by AST withdrawing Aru from the TdF for Landa, and entering Aru in the Vuelta.
Report nugget May 30, 2015 5:47 PM BST
It was obvious last year that Aru was the future for AST.  However it would of been interesting to see how close Landa could of got to Contador had he not been held back by team orders over the duration of the race. 
Also lets not forget AST were almost kicked out of the World Tour for doping violations and only received a last minute reprieve to race in the Giro. To put things in perspective.
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