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SwingingPick
22 Jul 14 18:45
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After the longest road stage of the Tour this year comes the shortest road stage, with Stage 17 from Saint-Gaudens to Saint-Lary Pla d’Adet covering a total of only 125kms, nearly half-the-distance of the previous stage.

Again, the riders begin climbing from the very beginning of the day, and the elevation rises continuously throughout the stage with initially three cat.1 climbs, of which the middle one is legendary. The cold de Peyresourde is 13.2kms long at 7% gradient, and the top reaches 1,569m. Unlike in recent past stages of the Tour which involved the col de Peyresourde as part of the parcours, this stage does not finish with a descent, but rather it is a mountaintop finish. Which makes this stage more like the 2012 Tour stage 17, when Valverde attacked from a large long-range breakaway group to salvage something for MOV that year, with his solo 35km ride to victory.

This stage looks much tougher than the previous on account of the cat.H climb to an elevation of 1,654m on Saint-Lary Pla d’Adet being the finish. At 10.2kms long and with a gradient of 8.3% it is more difficult by the early parts than by the final parts, and a point at 3kms to go looks like an ideal staging ground for a late attack by one of the principals, and it is therefore more likely to suit The Shark the best, should he be within striking distance of his fourth stage win.

Again, all will depend on who is in the long-range breakaway and the dynamics of that group. I think the breakaway is less likely to win than the previous stage as the GC fight for the podium and the top-10 is intensifying on account of the gaps getting closer, and it may be the case that under the right circumstances we find that multiple teams offer riders to work on the front of the peloton with AST, in order to keep the breakaway in much closer order. If that is the case than I believe Nibali might want to confirm his unbeatable presence in this race with another strong final climb ride to the finish for the stage win. 5/1 will be value if it gets there, and it should, but it is worth remembering that when he won in stage 13 his price IR was far superior to the 3/1 at SP. Riding strongly. May pay to keep safe.

Rafal Majka Enjoyed an easy day on the saddle when he rolled into the finish with the second of the three main SAG wagons, at +24mins. With TCS’s win with Rogers, it may be the case that their plan was to save Majka for an attempt to win here, however he may be getting tired after riding the Giro and he is just too short at ante-post for even a small bet, since he commands an early position as second favourite at 4/1 with PP. Won’t surprise with a strong performance. Watch closely.

No bets for me at ante-post, but may find a late mail special, later.

Good luck to all,
SP

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By:
bb66
When: 22 Jul 14 20:37
I mainly expect a fight for the Polka dot here, probably with Purito and Voeckler in a break and Tinkoff controlling it from behind with Majka attacking on the final climb as there are 50 from 80 pts of the day at stake
By:
Happybacker
When: 23 Jul 14 07:39
I've been away a few days and so missed yesterday, surprised to see TJVG lose so much time on the stage. I thought he would be stronger after the rest day, though he did have some hefty falls in the first 10 days and they maybe coming back to bite him now.

Like SP i think this will come down to a GC fight on the final climb. I think the polka dot fight will be over the first couple of climbs, as I can see Purito getting in the early break and Majka will in all likelihood follow him, I dont think the Tinkoff rider will wait until the final climb that would be too risky.

Having just watched highlights from yesterday, i'm shocked how strong Pinot looks right now. He has always been a very good climber but never been so consistent as he has the last week, he just seems to be getting stronger and  stronger every day. He looked like he had everyone in trouble in the last couple of km of the climb, including Nibali, and also looked like FDJ got their team tactics spot on, with Roy sitting up at the side of the road waiting for his leader to come down a genius bit of thinking to ensure he didnt lose contact on the descent. With Pinot obviously feeling in great shape, and the way he attacked yesterday, and knowing he wants to be ahead of Valverde before the timetrial, it is clear the FDJ rider will again be going on the attack today. I don't see any reason he wont be as strong again today, and  so for me he is by far the most likely winner of the stage and 11/2 looks a fair price.

Have also had a small ew on Konig at 25/1, another rider who is really flying up the climbs right now. After a relatively poor first week, he has got better each day, and may have a bit more licence to attack earlier on the final climb than Pinot will.
By:
ClayDavis
When: 23 Jul 14 08:29
I know his price is ridiculous now but I do think Majka is something of a good thing here. And I think he will repeat the tactics of Stage 14
By:
CJ70
When: 23 Jul 14 11:19
Just saw that Pinot has the Strava KOM for the final climb today. No prices I like pre-off.
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 23 Jul 14 11:59
Who the heel is laying Slagter @600 when he is in the breakaway? thats crazy
By:
Flying_V
When: 23 Jul 14 12:05
Got Edet running again at small stakes silly big odds

Just not convinced he's strong enough in good company. Bit like TJS yesterday
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 23 Jul 14 12:11
Katusha and their silly tactics again... they just dont learn
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 23 Jul 14 12:12
Slagter @600 for me (couldnt miss that odd) and Gaultier @120, small stakes
By:
CJ70
When: 23 Jul 14 12:20
Would have taken that 600 for Slagter but I can't see the breakers making it far today. Katusha are messing about and we'll be on the first climb soon enough.

Been thinking of Bardet but I'm not sure yesterday was a one-off, if he's in good shape I can see the big boys giving him a bit of rope.
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 23 Jul 14 12:30
J Rod will jump in the first clim for sure, katusha cant hold this for much longer...
By:
CJ70
When: 23 Jul 14 12:50
There's about 30-40 in that break can't see them allowing that to stay away
By:
bb66
When: 23 Jul 14 13:14
Kwia struggling in the back with the sprinters busLaugh
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 23 Jul 14 13:25
Vasil Kiryienka   
320    €3.69    €1,177.11

Sell now or it will get lower?
By:
CJ70
When: 23 Jul 14 13:25
We might see a few time eliminations if anyone gets off the bus early. Should be safety in numbers otherwise.

Kiri gone for a long one, not sure what the plan behind that is.
By:
CJ70
When: 23 Jul 14 13:31
Can't see anyone chasing until the next climb. Depends how much the J-Rod, Majka kick takes out of his lead.

As I write that Mollema goes for one.
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 23 Jul 14 13:52
nice stage! I have big wins on kirienka, herrada, de marchi and david lopez garcia and small green on the others.

Only red on Nibali and Pinot, but i will be all green soon, their odds will go to the roof
By:
Ozymandius
When: 23 Jul 14 14:21
Has Sean Kelly ever NOT started a sentence with the words 'Yes' and 'Well' or a combination thereof?  Does my head in!
By:
Ozymandius
When: 23 Jul 14 14:52
Anyone know where Konig is?
By:
CJ70
When: 23 Jul 14 14:56
Dropped when FDJ hit it. Doubt he's that far behind the yellow jersey group but no info from the road.
By:
the swede
When: 23 Jul 14 14:56
red card to majka
By:
Ozymandius
When: 23 Jul 14 14:57
thanks
By:
CJ70
When: 23 Jul 14 14:58
Cheeky by Majka. Blatant as he must have known the TV camera was on him.
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 23 Jul 14 15:00
that could cost majka something...
By:
CJ70
When: 23 Jul 14 15:03
Valverde gone. Must have left a gap and gave up when there wasn't a wheel to follow ;)
By:
the swede
When: 23 Jul 14 15:10

Jul 23, 2014 -- 10:00AM, ExpertBoy wrote:


that could cost majka something...


can we have a 1,01 stewards dsq

By:
ExpertBoy
When: 23 Jul 14 15:16
they probably just give him 30sec penalty or something
By:
the swede
When: 23 Jul 14 15:22
and 100 euro in fine
By:
CJ70
When: 23 Jul 14 15:23
Yeah, just a few thousand Franc fine I'd guess.

Konig just in 3.52 down.
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