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"Armstrong should stay on that list." 1987 Tour de France winner Stephen Roche added. "In the 100 year history of the race you can't not have a winner for seven years. Doping has been part of sport, not only for cycling, for decades. Who tells me Jacques Anquetil won clean. Should we take his victories away? Or why does Richard Virenque gets to keep his polka dot jerseys?"

These comments regarding Virenque and Anquetil as well are certainly a bit Irish when as we know Roche was named in an Italian court as being implicated in a systematic doping regime conducted by Conconni and Grazzi at the Carrera team.

Not that a quick look at the EPO file would have told you that: Conconi gave aliases to his athlete collaborators, Roche was variously listed as Rocchi, Rocca, Roncati, Righi and Rossini. Speaking in a radio interview on Thursday, Roche claimed he did not know why these fictitious names were used. Judge Oliva had no difficulty working that out. But the use of bogus names was merely suspicious, the hard evidence was listed elsewhere in the EPO file.
Conconi listed the subject’s name, sex, sport and the date upon which the analysis was made. There was also a column that indicated whether or not the athlete was treated with EPO. On different occasions in relation to Roche, the answer was “S”, as in “Si”, Italian for yes. Conconi’s test tried to identify the rate of erythropoiesis and concentrated on the level of transferrin receptor. Anything over 3.1, suggested Conconi, would indicate the use of synthetic EPO. Roche is listed with a level of 5.5, the fifth-highest of the 23 athletes used in the study.
It is difficult to comprehend fully the scale of Conconi’s duplicity.
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Report padlock July 17, 2014 7:29 PM BST
bit irish
ttt
Report teedoubleu July 17, 2014 8:32 PM BST
He was juiced up to the eyeballs.Anyone who has thirty minutes to spare should watch this on youtube, its funny stuff.Its Roche trying to defend himself.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v0qlliFq8U
Report bb66 July 17, 2014 10:24 PM BST
anyone who's into cycling will know who won the TDF 1999-2005, no matter what is shown in the lists
Report bb66 July 17, 2014 10:42 PM BST
Why Ullrich still has his medals from Sydney, but not Armstrong? Why is Ben Johnson deleted, but not Carl Lewis? Marion Jones, but not all the athletes from GDR, CSSR and Soviet Union from the 70ies and 80ies?
Report dj876 July 17, 2014 10:52 PM BST
I was not disputing the pervasiveness of doping throughout any era be it Ullrich/Armstromg/Zuelle/Pantani etc or Delgado/Roche but was merely elucidating to the hypocrisy of Roche's comments referring to Anquetil or Virenque maintaining their victories when Roche's 1987 triumphs are equally dubious.
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 10:41 AM BST
They asked all previous Tour winners and only Evans, Wiggins and Froome answered in the way you would like. There's a story there.
Report Ozymandius July 18, 2014 11:00 AM BST
Am I not correct in saying EPO was not illegal in 1987?
Report Desmond Orchard July 18, 2014 11:12 AM BST
Correct Ozy, you can't ban something you're not aware of, however, blood doping (which EPO use is classed as) was banned from the mid-80s onwards. So it's murky where Roche is concerned.
By the same token, whatever they're doing this Tour (spider j1zz or some such), is probably unknown to the authorities and therefore not actually banned, which allows certain teams to take a high moral stance in being 'clean'. However, again, I'm pretty sure that it will fall under the catch-all of blood doping.
Report OnTheChase July 18, 2014 12:28 PM BST
Only 3 said no to Armstrong ?  According to the article I read 12 said yes, 11 said no.
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 1:37 PM BST
Perhaps I read it wrong then. Schleck and Perreiro both said yes, anybody know what Sastre said? Was it the only three winners since Armstrong?
Report OnTheChase July 18, 2014 1:54 PM BST
Actually I think I misread the article.  I think your number of 3 is pretty close to the mark.
Report dj876 July 18, 2014 1:59 PM BST
As this year’s Tour reached the Rhone-Alpes region of eastern France on Wednesday, with an 11th stage from Besancon to Oyonnax, the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf published the results of a survey it conducted with the surviving winners of the race, with 12 of the 25 surviving winners of cycling’s biggest race of the opinion Armstrong’s titles should be reinstated.

Only Ferdi Kubler and Roger Walkowiak failed to respond, and of the remaining 23 more than half were of the opinion that the disgraced American should be rewritten into the history books.

“Armstrong should stay on that list,” said Roche, who won the Tour in 1987. “In the 100-year history of the race you can’t not have a winner for seven years. Doping has been part of sport, not only for cycling, for decades. Who tells me Jacques Anquetil won clean? Should we take his victories away? Or why does Richard Virenque get to keep his polka dot jerseys?”

After years of denials and lawsuits, Armstrong was eventually brought down when the United States Anti-Doping Agency published its so-called reasoned decision, in which it accused the seven-time champion and his US Postal team of “the most sophisticated, professionalised and successful doping program that sport has ever seen”. Armstrong, who had already been issued a lifetime ban from all sports that adopt the World Anti-Doping Agency code and stripped of his seven Tour titles, subsequently confessed.

Those who felt that Armstrong should keep his titles were generally of the older generation, riders such as Felice Gimondi, Federico Bahamontes, Jan Janssen and 1980 winner Joop Zoetemelk. “They should never have erased Armstrong from the list. You can’t change results 10 years later. Of course it’s not good what he did but you can’t rewrite history,” Zoetemelk said.

Of the more recent winners only Andy Schleck and Oscar Pereiro felt Armstrong should keep his wins, with Schleck, who won his 2010 title after Alberto Contador tested positive, saying: “Who remembers who was second place in those races? I wouldn’t know myself. You can’t have seven races without a winner, so just leave Armstrong on the list.”

British winners Chris Froome and Sir Bradley Wiggins have both spoken out numerous times on this issue and they, like Australian Cadel Evans, are adamant that the Armstrong years (1999-2005) should serve as a reminder to current riders. “Those seven empty places symbolise an era. We should leave it like it is,” said Froome. Both Evans and Wiggins added that sending back the yellow jerseys might be a symbolic gesture.

Armstrong himself was contacted by De Telegraaf for a reaction but said he would “keep it to myself for now”.There seems little chance of the 42-year-old being reinstated. Tour director Christian Prudhomme said that public opinion would not allow it. “You ask the people along the route,” he said. “It’s clear, his name will not be on the list again. Period.”

Brian Cookson, the president of the UCI, has long encouraged Armstrong to speak to the independent commission [CIRC] set up to investigate cycling’s doping past. The Englishman said in a recent interview that he did not know whether Armstrong had yet done so. Cookson did admit, however, to errors in the UCI’s handling of the recent controversy over Froome’s use of a Therapeutic Use Exemption for corticosteroids to treat a chest infection during his Tour of Romandy win earlier this year.

Although the UCI’s decision to grant the TUE was given the all-clear by Wada, it later emerged that the TUE was signed off by just one man, the UCI’s chief medical officer Dr Mario Zorzoli, rather than by a committee of experts, as recommended.

Cookson admitted he did not even know before the controversy arose whether such a committee even existed. The UCI has since pledged that all TUE applications will go through a panel.

Explaining the delay in the UCI’s response to the controversy, Cookson said: “I wanted to make 100 per cent sure that the TUE committee did exist. That its members were aware that they were members. And we’ve checked that through now and they do exist and they have all reaffirmed their willingness to participate in that process.

“We’ve reinforced and reinvigorated the process. And I accept that we needed to do that.”

Telegraph.co.uk
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Report The Bhoys March 6, 2015 10:01 PM GMT
was the doctor on that youtube clip correct when he says EPO wasnt available when roache won that event
Report marychain1 March 7, 2015 2:44 PM GMT
If you read Matt Rendell's book "the Death of Marco Pantani" Roche is in a database of Ferrari's that came to light during an investigation into Marco Pantani that listed haematocrit levels at each visit. The file was a spreadsheet called epo.wks. It shows that the variation in Marco Pantani's haematocrit levels were well outside the levels that you could consider normal. In the same file it listed the other people in Pantani's Carrera team that had been "treated" - Claudio Chiappucci, Guido Bontempi, Rolf Sorensen, Vladimir Pulkinov and Stephen Roche. This was in the early-mid 90s though, a good 6-7 years after his Tour win.
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