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SwingingPick
17 Jul 14 18:52
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After just 10kms of riding from the start in Saint-Etienne to begin the 198km stage 13 to the ski resort of Chamrousse, the riders will begin the cat.3 ascent of the Col de la Croix de Montvieux, where the long-range break will look to make their attack, if not earlier. Hills follow soon after for about a 110kms, the majority of the route, before the riders come upon the two main climbs of the day.

This stage is regarded as an Alps stage, however it is technically the Rhone-Alpes, so the climbs are not famous, and the first cat.1 to the Col de Palaquit rises to an elevation of a mere 1,154m before a long descent begins into Grenoble. Then, the main climb of the day appears and this is where the action should take place, on the cat.H Montee de Chamrousse, a long 18.2 km climb at 7.3% gradient, which will top-out at 1,730m, a proper elevation.

Clearly, the main race should be the GC race, and whilst the breakaway may confuse picking the stage winner IR, since the time gaps on climbs can be quite chaotically delivered -- the sheer length of the final climb will likely empty any long-range mountain breakaway specialists of their energy reserves, and therefore clear the stage for a GC selection which becomes a GC fight for stage glory. And I think on that basis, the winner might come from the GC riders.

The likely GC winner will involve the likely GC questions still remaining in the face of Nibali’s stranglehold on the race. Will The Shark want to be remembered as winning the Tour in the year where the two favourites abandoned the race, in so far as whispers exist on his true claims? Or will he want to be remembered as winning the Tour by winning stages, followed by then winning mountain stages and destroying those GC riders still remaining? Essentially winning the Tour in such commanding fashion that perhaps initially valid comparisons between the hypothetical scenarios of Froome and Bertie remaining in the race and their relevant influences -- to that of no doubts existing about the strength of his form, which was first evidenced in stage 2 and which he continued to improve in subsequent stages?

This stage is one where this next step is required to establish Nibali’s claim to a crushing win in the Tour, and I expect him to come out all guns blazing at the appropriate time, and that will likely be late on, since he has nothing to lose by waiting and watching but risks losing energy if attacking too early.

Richie Porte will be suited by the longer climb here and therefore it might not be surprising to see him ride in a more forward position, which might get him closer to the stage victory, however The Shark is in hunting waters now, and I expect him to feast on all claims with a vicious attack from an AST train doing most, if not all, of the heavy lifting. Additionally, I think there is less likelihood of the peloton being put to sleep by AST on the front for much of the stage, and the breakaway gap growing to a big margin, since the other GC teams must ride hard to put pressure on AST/Nibali. Riding defensively will only secure Nibali's claim, and the remaining GC riders will look weaker in comparison.

***Vincenzo Nibali. Riding very strongly. Rated highly. Go close. 3/1 with (PP) at SP is a little short on a WIN ONLY basis. 4/1 would be more reasonable. Already trading higher.

*Richie Porte. 16/1 E/W (sb). Suited by the conditions. Will make presence felt. Worthy of consideration as a saver.   

Good luck to all,
SP
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Report cedarmaster July 17, 2014 8:37 PM BST
Should be a tough stage for GC contenders contenders todays and Nibali is a worthy favourite, 3/1 does not look value now but may do about 4.40pm tomorrow

Purito will surely try for more KOM points tomorrow but again 7/1 is too short,

Time to pick a flyer for me at a big price and the guy i like is The Belkin climber Steven Kruijswijk which should be a big score in scrabble. Belkin riders are going to have to perform in this race to attract contract offers for next season.Hopefully Ten Dam will marshall Bauke Mollema and Kruijswijk can get in a break and stay away generally 125/1
Report Happybacker July 18, 2014 12:03 AM BST
Agree this should come down to a Gc scrap, obviously Nibali is a worthy fav and the man to beat, but I'm really keen on Tejay Van Garderen, i think 40/1 is great ew value.
I backed TJVG for the outright at the start as had a feeling he was going to have a really big tour, and he hasn't disappointed despite a couple of setbacks. He looked strong early on particularly in stage 2 but then suffered a big crash at a bad time towards the end of stage 7. Which resulted in him losing 1m 09, without that unfortunate loss he would be sitting 3rd or 4th already on GC. I was worried about him last weekend and how the crash would effect him, i thought he would just have to survive as best he could until the rest day. But he was surprisingly strong, particularly on mondays stage 10. With the rest day and further time to recover behind him since then, I can only see him getting stronger, and if this does come down to the gc riders he has to be bang there.

Have also had some more of the 40/1 ew for the outright, as I'm getting more and more confident he is going to at least podium, and if he does put up a big performance tomorrow he will be a lot shorter than that tomorrow night.

Gl all.
Report SwingingPick July 18, 2014 6:41 AM BST
Quality opinions gents, really enjoyed reading that, thanks for making the effort to go beyond just sticking up your picks without any reason or evidence that you've been with the Tour, and the peloton, for the duration so far. Very refreshing. Cheers, SP
Report Desmond Orchard July 18, 2014 10:36 AM BST
I'm agreeing with everything that's been said so far. Whilst Nibali doesn't need to win, he will if he feels strong enough and could put the final nail in the coffin here. Similarly, if Porte is going to challenge for the jersey, today is the day, he claims that these stages suit him best and so will be all out to put time into Nibali, whether he can or not I don't know, but at the same price to place as Nibali is to win, I think the value lies there.
Outsiders; Kadri has done it before this tour and has had a quiet week, perhaps building up to another big effort? At 130 it's cheap to find out. Scarponi is massive at 320, we've seen it before where the hardman drags the GC contender clear and is 'given' the victory. Either way, if Nibali looks content to mark, you will be able to get out lower.
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 10:53 AM BST
J-Rod has said he'll be going for this but at 7's I don't know if he has the form to stick with the big boys. They certainly wont chase him if he goes on the last climb, but will he still be there?

Not overly convinced that the GC boys will have it all their own way for the podium, so not touching any of the short stuff. I'm going for JC Peraud at 100's with two men in the top 10 AG2R can go for the double team and JCP has looked impressive so far. As with all stages like this I'll be laying those getting dropped.
Report padlock July 18, 2014 11:04 AM BST
its so hard to know who is going for stage win
Report Off the toe July 18, 2014 11:05 AM BST
Scarponi
Rui Costa
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 11:10 AM BST
Rui Costa is feeling better but he will be happy to follow the favourites, he said this in his personal diary.

For me, i wont bet nothing pre live. Although i like Brice Feillu, Kadri and Voecler for a big win
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 11:22 AM BST
Was also looking at Schleck(F) because he is bound to try something even though it will end in glorious failure, but he's so short even after being uncompetetive(literally) for years.
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 11:49 AM BST
there's my 2 boys, Feillu and Kadri! GO GO GO
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 12:15 PM BST
wtf is katusha doing? i cant see rodriguez winning against the GC guys
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 12:21 PM BST
Defending against Kadri I guess. Not sure he's a big threat though.
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 1:05 PM BST
not sure thats the best strategy...

Now the time is going up... good climbers on the breakaway, i like durasek @100 has i already have kadri and feillu
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 1:31 PM BST
What the hell has happened with Navarro??

I haven't seen anyone that bad on a bike since the real old days. Hope he's ok.
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 1:49 PM BST
surely rodriguez will jump in the first climb...
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 2:03 PM BST
AST is loving this stage so far
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 2:08 PM BST
nibali 2,80 has to be a lay...
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 2:10 PM BST
whats up with Garmin riders?
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 2:30 PM BST
Yepp Layed Nibali. We know J-Rod is going to go, so should drift when he does.
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 2:30 PM BST
What was Europcar's plan? You can write a book on bizarre Europcar tactics.
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 2:42 PM BST
lol europcar is a joke. Riding hard and then the whole team blows and Rolland sits tight. Katusha also strange tactics although rodriguez can now be 4º in the climb and save energy.

Thank God i layed Nibali pretty hard, this gap should come up till 4-5min before it starts decreasing
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 2:48 PM BST
anyone knows well De Marchi downhill skills?
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 3:08 PM BST
3:10 seems a bit short, but you never know...
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 3:13 PM BST
fdj taking the pace... it was going so good for me... but 3:40 seems a bit better, it really depend on how de marchi is feeling
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 3:22 PM BST
Losing time from the live heavily now so just watching for fun.

I doubt if Fuglsang is going to be able to work today or tomorrow for Nibali with that amount of skin left on the road.
Report bb66 July 18, 2014 3:33 PM BST
Nibali isolated soon
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 3:36 PM BST
J-Rod blown. You were right with Katusa tactics being off as well.
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 3:48 PM BST
Aww Richie
Report tashkent terror July 18, 2014 4:08 PM BST
Porte could lose 8 mins here...why is Nieve still towing him LaughLaugh
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 4:09 PM BST
Valverde is such a lazy so & so.
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 4:14 PM BST
thats super from nibali, what a diference!
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 4:25 PM BST
One word for that. Dominance!

Valverde proving he's a bit of a sh*t and probably the reason he's not cut out for being a winner.

Great rides by Leopold, Pinot, TJ and Bardet. Loved that.
Report ExpertBoy July 18, 2014 4:39 PM BST
europcar and katusha did a great job for Nibali. I guess tomorrow we wont see any team picking up in the race, because they would just be giving Nibali the stage victory
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 4:52 PM BST
That's a fantastic mullet Oleg has got going.
Report Desmond Orchard July 18, 2014 5:16 PM BST
WD SP, you deserved a result for all these great write ups.
Now give us tomorrows winner!
Doubt it will be Nibali myself, it's pretty much 'job done' now and all he has to do is mark.
Might be worth looking at someone pushing for the podium who might jump off the front with 2km to go. Pinot being the obvious candidate, as he is riding so well, 15 on here. Rolland will want to finish T10 and so might want to steal a few minutes too, 16 or 18/1 at PP.
Report cedarmaster July 18, 2014 8:24 PM BST
conclusions from todays stage

Nibali looks different class at the moment and it is up to him if he wants to win a mountain stage

Kudos to Frank Schleck written off many times but a classy ride today

Rolland looks very tired and has done for a few days, he will not carry any money of mine for the rest of this tour

Pinot looks a great prospect but definitely wont be leaving FDJ

How high in GC would Geraint Thomas be if he had been allowed to ride his own race. He has probably fallen more than any other rider but has the knack of falling soft  and making little of each fall. He was in the leading group over the Pave when he had to go back for Porte and ride him back into the race and again today although he was dropped he could have finished much higher up
Report SwingingPick July 18, 2014 8:37 PM BST
Cheers DO, appreciate your sentiments mate.

The thing with Nibali is that he may want to confirm his strength in this race with more such strong performances. If the GC group closes down the breakaway or the breakaway cracks in the tough and hot conditions, so that we essentially see the GC group as the first group on the road heading for home, then they may call a truce until the finale where either of the two you mention (and others) may look to jump for the line and therefore the stage win. Pinot looked the best in a very long time when in close combat with Valverde. Bardet is becoming a messy rider and in that mini race for the next French GC contender in the Tour, Pinot is the deserving favourite on the back of this ride.

There'll definitely be enthusiasm by riders for the stage victory, but I'm not sure there are enough clever and/or strong enough riders to time their attack for a stage win in a perfect manner, because that's what's required right now, I think.

Obviously surprised with Porte's ride, didn't see that coming, however he didn't look like he was suffering with the heat, but rather with the climbing. He appeared like he just didn't have the legs after fading out so early, and it looked quite strange, really. I know some riders that don't deal with the pressure of expectation well, can sour their legs along the flat road leading to a climb and just slide away like that, so perhaps that's what has happened with Porte. I should find something on him before tomorrow's stage, but right now it's unlikely he'll hit back with a strong ride for the next stage.

Cheers,
SP
Report SwingingPick July 18, 2014 8:51 PM BST
Agree with most of those assessments, for those I didn't mention when completing my reply, CM.

Also, FDJ could do better for themselves if they built a stronger team around Pinot. That kind of move might stimulate him even more if they did, because the promise has been there since 2012 when he was only 22yo. Having said that I wasn't aware there was any speculation that he might leave his team? SP
Report CJ70 July 18, 2014 9:03 PM BST
There were rumours that Pinot was going to SKY but he seems set to re-sign with FDJ now.

Porte was ill and nauseus today. I'd rule him out of everything until the Pyrenees.
Report buddeliea July 19, 2014 7:35 AM BST
Thank God i layed Nibali pretty hard, this gap should come up till 4-5min before it starts decreasing


Oh dear expertboy.........you ok ??
Report SwingingPick July 19, 2014 8:00 AM BST
Cheers CJ, Porte stomach problems on preliminary information. I agree that backing him prior to the Pyrenees is a bad idea. There's been a lot of rumours surrounding SKY, think that a thread on transfer details might be a good idea after the Tour. SP
Report ExpertBoy July 19, 2014 9:19 AM BST
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Thank God i layed Nibali pretty hard, this gap should come up till 4-5min before it starts decreasing


Oh dear expertboy.........you ok ??

You know what trading is right? I layed Nibali when it came down to 2,50 / 2,60 and it went up to 4 at least.
Report buddeliea July 19, 2014 9:51 AM BST
Nice one,glad you came out ok.
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