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SwingingPick
16 Jul 14 19:22
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With this stage 12 from Bourg-en-Bresse to Saint-Etienne, covering 186kms, the Tour moves away from the Alps on a hilly stage, but does not move away from a day of light climbing with four categorized climbs, the last of which comes with about a 14km descent into an 8km slight incline run for the finish line.

Will be interesting to see if OGE have a much stronger presence in driving the pace on the front, in pursuit of what will likely be a small, long-range breakaway? This stage suits Gerrans more than the previous on account of the finale.

I think the stage looks quite similar and the race might consequently be quite similar to what we saw in stage 11, in so far as it might be relatively close between the breakaway and select group involved in what looks like a much more difficult finale, however. Perhaps more prudent to wait for IR plays, nevertheless some of these prices are never seen again, so some riders to get started with are:

**Tony Gallopin The last non-climber rider representing France at the Tour, to go on and get a second win in the race was over-rated hardman Sylvain Chavanel, when he won as a breakaway in both stage 2 and stage 7 of the 2010 Tour. You would have to probably go back to the golden years to find a French rider doing it in consecutive stages, though. Obviously consecutive wins are more common in the flat bunch sprints, with the Gorilla doing it in 2012 in stages 4 and 5. Nevertheless, Gallopin is a fine – plus - mix of Chavanel and Gilbert, and the way he is riding there is a lot to suggest he might be capable of winning again here, and in so doing become a very big story in France in a year where it looks like an Italian will win on GC. 66/1 (PP) E/W. Should be 80/1. Interesting prospects. Keep safe.

*Greg Van Avermaet I thought he might be poorly placed in the previous stage into Oyonnax after having a difficult rest day, however his 7th place finish in the stage when charging for the line late from the select group, shows that his condition is still very good. That he can win from the break or selection is a big advantage. Opened as an 80/1 shot with PP, and was immediately slashed to 33/1. 40/1 E/W (BW). Should be 66/1. Some value. Likely to figure in the finish. Worthy of close consideration.

*Geraint Thomas Won the Tour of Bavaria with a winning performance in the ITT. Had a very good cobbled classics campaign with two top-10s in PR and Flanders, and a podium in E3 for starters. Came closest to a Tour stage win when finished 2nd in the pave stage of the 2010 edition, but he is having a much better season, since he is a completely different rider now, and is going along quite consistently here with an impressive last stage performance to make the selection and finish in 19th place out of 34 riders, not including Gallopin. Looks comfortable amongst this company and stage characteristics may suit him even better here. Do not discount lightly. 150/1 E/W (various).

Good luck to all,
SP
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Report nugget July 16, 2014 11:10 PM BST
tony gallopin? after him winning yesterday..
usually I would say not likely but he does seem to be juiced to the eyeballs
Report tashkent terror July 16, 2014 11:17 PM BST
If anyone has £1.592 Million in their account you could lay Julien Simon to win stage 12. Somebody wants £8K on him to win the stage at 199/1.

If I had 8k in my account I would not be putting it on Julien Simon to win tomorrow....maybe somebody knowsWink
Report CJ70 July 16, 2014 11:25 PM BST
That's bizarre!!

http://gyazo.com/dbbf3dcf19c5ea869474a22900cd04b0
Report nugget July 16, 2014 11:33 PM BST
good bet if he gets in the break and the break gets 8-10 min, wouldnt of thought he could win though as he is no tony gallopinWink
Report CJ70 July 16, 2014 11:41 PM BST
As for the stage I think it's likely to end in a sprint but how many sprinters will be left?

Do I dare lay Kittel because he can't get over a speed bump only for him to get over the long 3% climbs and blitz the field again? 40's maybe a bit big after I've been stung so many times before.

Sagan is going to be a lay again as he'd manage to contrive a loss in a two man sprint against Nieve at the moment.

I've gone for one small bet pre-off on Demare. Shown no form so far but should be able to get over the climb.
Report nugget July 17, 2014 12:03 AM BST
with this stage being easier than yesterdays, it should end in slightly reduced bunch sprint


degenkolb, demare, kristoff, sagan, trentin
Report nugget July 17, 2014 12:34 AM BST
even greipel climbing ok
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 8:47 AM BST
After yesterday's stage its very likely we have another sprint at the end. Giant, Omega, Orica will probably do the chase. The only chance for a breakaway is to get 8-9 mens up front, and even then it will be hard.

P.S. very strange, someone betting 10k in Julien Simon @200... inside info? But even if he tries, doesnt mean he will succed... thats really strange indeed.
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 8:58 AM BST
My "horses" for today:

Sergio Paulinho @300
Luis Angel Mate Mardones @340

And thats it. Wanted to lay Sagan, but the price is to high for that...

Good luck all
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 9:04 AM BST
And F. Schleck @1000, it whorts a shot :)
Report cedarmaster July 17, 2014 10:17 AM BST
i would back Daniele Bennati but price too short, no value
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 12:32 PM BST
5 riders on the break away... some nice riders, but they needed 2 or 3 more to have a chance.
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 2:13 PM BST
Giant has to pick up the pace otherwise the break is gone. If they get to the 3rd category climb with 3 to 3:30 minutes they have a chance
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 2:16 PM BST
very unlucky for david de la cruz
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 3:23 PM BST
this pace istn enough to bring back the break away. Clarke seems very fresh
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 3:38 PM BST
40km to go, 22 downhill and still 2 minutes.... if they can at least hold the gap downhill, its start looking like they have a chance
Report padlock July 17, 2014 3:48 PM BST
dont be sillySilly
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 3:50 PM BST
one thing is sure, it wont be with Giant and Europcar chasing that they will catch them... other teams like Cannondale have to do some work
Report Flying_V July 17, 2014 4:11 PM BST
went for Coquard again..but actually not expecting it to come off now.
saver on JD now
Report ExpertBoy July 17, 2014 4:36 PM BST
Kristoff! Nice try by Demare.
Report Flying_V July 17, 2014 4:39 PM BST
yep. nice finish
Report ClayDavis July 17, 2014 4:45 PM BST
Swinging Pick will be along soon to defend Sagan once again
Report casemoney July 17, 2014 4:48 PM BST
Bet Sagan in running Very disapointing Sad with griepel crashing out thought must win Sad
Report dom888 July 17, 2014 4:52 PM BST
Does Sagan lay himself on betfair lol
How low was he traded to Win after the greipel crash?
Report bb66 July 17, 2014 5:34 PM BST
Sagan the best allround rider of the century so far, no matter he hasn't won a stage in this TdF, nothing wrong with him. mWho Nneeds stage wins when you win the green jerseyLaugh
Report SwingingPick July 17, 2014 6:03 PM BST
Sometime I wonder why I bother, really. Had Kristoff at the top of the list from the start since he ticked all the boxes, but talked myself out of it on account of the 8/1 price at SP being too short.

Gallopin tailed-off on the final climb, before bridging and then fading out again -- clearly he was spent from the previous day's effort. GVA lost in action, think he might have suffered a puncture on the descent? Thomas was there and was riding positively, however he just didn't have the strength I thought he might bring from the classics season by the time of the finale. That Greipel made the big selection was significant. The sprint was on offer after Meyer was sucking down energy gels like crazy, clearly in energy debt and was faltering. Cyril Gautier might not have won if Meyer began to combine as requested on the run-in, but Gautier looked very strong to me. I can't believe he has only won a second-rate one-day classic on home soil in the Tour du Finistère since 2013.

On the issue of Sagan, some people forget he is still just 24yo. I think staying on side of him by being in awe at his involvement might be the key to long-term gains on him in suitable races in the future. I might go so far as to suggest that he is so good, that he still has the potential to become a GC rider, with only minor development required over a short period of time. Whilst I won't find excuses for Sagan again here, I will point to his consistency as being praiseworthy.

For instance, did you know Clay, that Sagan was the first rider in over 80 years to finish in the top-5 for the first seven races of the Tour?

Great racing, but still waiting for a proper winner at ante-poste.

Cheers,
SP
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