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13 Jul 14 20:09
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In the 2012 edition of the Tour, La Planche de Belles Filles was an unknown factor as it was making its Tour debut in stage 7. However, the stage started from Tomblaine (to begin the first mountain-top finish of the race) not Mulhouse as it will be on this occasion. Froome won from Evans and Wiggins after he attacked with about 400m to go, although Nibali and Taaramae followed soon after, since they were part of the final selection after the 1km to go red kite.

The 5.9km closing climb featured an average gradient of 8.5%, with sections up to 13%, and the final 100m was at 14%, and it will be much the same once again, although the stage itself looks significantly tougher with seven categorized climbs (not merely two cat.3s and the one final cat.1), four of which are cat.1, and the final few hundred metres are steeper at some 20%. It is a fairly standard distance for a mid-mountain stage at 162kms.

I think that there is a slight advantage to TCS if they want to win this stage with Bertie. They now know that they can ride in an imposing manner in the way they did for stage 8, but they must also then know that unless Nibali has a really bad day they won’t likely drop him by following this basic strategy. Therefore, the next obvious if somewhat complex plan for them to try and enact should be to send Roche, Rogers and Majka up the road, and then have Bertie attack Nibali at an appropriate point, using these team-mates up ahead in order to build on his gap, win the stage and gain time over his rivals that way. If they don’t do this and decide to just follow their stage 8 plan, then Bertie is still most likely to be the Froome of 2012 on this stage by attacking his GC rivals when in sight of the line, however I think that Bertie is less likely to win the stage like Froome did, simply because a breakaway may find fertile conditions again.

In my view the GC selection group is unlikely to get excited, the contenders have so far appeared happy to remain together for as long as possible and ride as softly as possible for as long as possible. There hasn’t been much viciousness, and that would suggest that this might be another stage for the breakaway. Also, I think Bastille day in France in the Tour is a day for the French climbers to bleed on the road of their native land, and we may see another big group go, which includes a decent amount of Frenchmen.

Another stage where perhaps it might be more prudent to look for IR plays, but the French angle is a solid one for me, and I am starting with:

* Jean-Christophe Peraud is 37yo, but he is not a veteran, riding only his fifth GT and his fourth Tour since 2011. His weight looks really good for a stage such as this, he held his position very well in the principals group in stage 8, and he had an easy day in the saddle in the previous stage with the main second group containing the peloton. 100/1 E/W (various). About right price.

(** LAY 6/4 Alberto 'Bertie' Contador. Way too short on the evidence so far, and likely to trade higher.)

Good luck to all,
SP

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marychain1
When: 13 Jul 14 21:50
This is a horrible, horrible stage with so many tough climbs. I can really only see one of the big boys winning it unless there is a bit of a relaxation in the peloton and a breakaway is allowed huge amounts of rope. This is possible, once Nibali is virtual yellow again surely only Saxo are likely to be driving the pace?

Contador is the likeliest winner in my eyes but he's so far from a back at the price I guess he must be a lay.

I've taken Valverde 20/1, Bardet 40/1 and Porte at 18/1 each way, with the first two 4 places.
By:
marychain1
When: 13 Jul 14 21:59
I plan to back Bertie win only in running
By:
SwingingPick
When: 14 Jul 14 07:38
MC -- you do realise that  Nibali is virtual Yellow already, I mean you don't expect Gallopin to be riding into Paris with the yellow jersey on his back? SP
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 07:44
Of course not, but for the mechanics of this stage Lotto will try and keep Gallopin in yellow. Unless you saying Lotto will not make any effort at all to keep Gallopin in yellow? Of course they will, as futile as that effort will be.
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 07:52
What I was trying to say is that there is no natural leaders of the peloton to do "a Sky" that will bring a break back. Still, the sheer amount of climbing today and the need to stay at the front of some of the later climbs means a fast pace, and that makes the break staying out unlikely in my eyes.

The more I think about it the more I think Richie Porte is a great each way bet today.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 14 Jul 14 08:29
Looks like a contradiction to me. LTB don't have the team to sit on the front beyond the first 20kms, where the first climb starts. They wouldn't waste their energies in any case as they know that it's, yes, a futile order on a tough stage like today. AST have artificially slowed the peloton since now the teams will look around waiting for someone to come forward to do the work, and since no one will want to, the pace will slow through this inaction, I believe. Meanwhile the French riders in the breakaway are growing the gap. TCS's next best strategy beyond the one I've suggested above, is to come forward to do the work and ride hard from the first climb, knowing that Bertie is feeling so strong that he'll have the strength to attack the principals once his team falls away. But I don't think that will happen because they have found to be somewhat deficient strategically, so far. SP
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 08:35
Doesn't seem like a contradiction to me, seems like we're saying exactly the same thing.

LTB don't have the team to sit on the front beyond the first 20kms, where the first climb starts. TCS's next best strategy beyond the one I've suggested above, is to come forward to do the work and ride hard from the first climb

once Nibali is virtual yellow again surely only Saxo are likely to be driving the pace?
By:
OnTheChase
When: 14 Jul 14 09:19
Apart from someone like Rolland coming out of break to win, I think there are limited chances.  Leaving out Nibali and Purito, and backing Contador + Porte + Valverde at about 5/4.
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 14 Jul 14 09:37
Lotto int a factor here. Their team is weak to mountais, except VandenBroucke and Gallopin (wich obviously wont work). I can se some big climbers far on the GC and the ones fighting for climbers jersey like Rodriguez, Konig, Schleck, Bakelants, Peter Velits trying to escape early and the big question is: who's willing to control the race? I think Astana will do it. Even if Gallopin has the jersey its just a "virtual" jersey, and the lider is still Nibali. The second big question is: What will Tinkoff do? They know they have to attack early, but i just cant see them attacking early than last 2 climbs.

For this stage i will try some long shots (the names i mencioned and one other) and a big lay to Contador, because i think there will be a breakaway with some big names getting 4-5 minutes and i will trade much higher than @2,50
By:
CJ70
When: 14 Jul 14 10:46
Oleg has been on about todays race for a long time, so we can expect Contador to try and do something. I wouldn't back him at the price but I can't see anyone beating him. The only issue could be someone out of the GC being let go up the road while Porte/Nibali/Contador watch each other.

Like Porte for a top 3 at 4's but price shouldn't move much in running, so will have a look at it later.
By:
chamberlain
When: 14 Jul 14 11:03
Another terrific preview SP, thank you very much. You have persuaded me to have my first bet of The Tour, I have joined you in laying Contador.
Best of Luck.
By:
padlock
When: 14 Jul 14 13:51
looks tough in the rain
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 14 Jul 14 14:00
kwiatovski in front is bad news for the break away...
By:
CJ70
When: 14 Jul 14 14:24
Contador down and out?
By:
casemoney
When: 14 Jul 14 14:26
BERTIE Sad
By:
OnTheChase
When: 14 Jul 14 14:28
Contador 4 mins behind peloton
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 14:30
Think he'll get back on fairly comfortably, but don't think he'll be winning today
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 14:31
This is good news for Demare, he could have been abandoing today he was miles out the back. If he can stay with Saxo he'll get paced back up to the bus.
By:
CJ70
When: 14 Jul 14 14:31
Going to need a 60km/h motor pacing here by Contador or Kwia is going to be 10 mins up the road.
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 14:32
Hello, Astana not easing up now
By:
padlock
When: 14 Jul 14 14:32
seems to be ok
By:
NonShy..
When: 14 Jul 14 14:33
Bertie 7/2 for TDF now  SadSadSadSad
By:
NonShy..
When: 14 Jul 14 14:34
do itv want to have any more adverts it's a f**king joke
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 14:34
Frame failure?! Jesus Shocked How much would that play on your mind, forever? Cry Don't want to hear that ahead of me doing the Tourmalet in 6 days time...
By:
CJ70
When: 14 Jul 14 14:35
If he can make it without abandoning/losing 10 mins he should be fine. Rest day tomorrow and he always comes back stronger after a rest day.
By:
NonShy..
When: 14 Jul 14 14:37
MC - has it been confirmed frame failure? missed it
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 14 Jul 14 14:38
I dont wish nobody to fall, but that was soooo good for my wallet!
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 14:38
Laugh CJ

Porte and Sky are the big winners here. It's massively in Astana's interest to do a load of work at the front today to maintain/increase the advantage over Bertie. Sky could sit in and mop up towards the end?
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 14:39
They were saying frame failure just then, but I don't think they have any footage.
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 14:40
That's a massive cigar the guy in the pink hat is smoking
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Jul 14 14:42
Laying Purito at 3.35
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 14 Jul 14 14:46
no way contador could be 3,50 yet... thats a lay with all my bank!
By:
NonShy..
When: 14 Jul 14 14:50
Looks done to me... Froome, now Contador... improves Valverde's chances but Nibali looks strong
By:
CJ70
When: 14 Jul 14 14:51
.
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 14 Jul 14 14:55
contador is out to win this. He will lose at least 5 min today. crazy people still backing him at 6 or 7
By:
CJ70
When: 14 Jul 14 14:58
Contador looks like he's going to abandon.
By:
NonShy..
When: 14 Jul 14 14:58
Contador out
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 14 Jul 14 14:58
sorry but YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

all green by 3k at least
By:
padlock
When: 14 Jul 14 14:58
wow
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