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SwingingPick
05 Jul 14 20:46
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Stage 2 from York to Sheffield covers 201kms and appears like a slightly easier Liege-Bastogne-Liege course. There are a total of nine climbs with two-thirds of them being found in the second-half of the race. The toughest is the cat.2 Holme Mos which is 4.7kms at 7%, and it should make for the biggest selection amongst the likely regrouped peloton.

I think the GC contenders might play it cool for the most part, taking Yellow now is not to anyone’s advantage, it’s simply way too much work, and I doubt there’ll even be a late attack from any of them. I therefore believe a breakaway will very likely hold this to the line, and whilst I had some names on my short list for some time for this stage, there were some riders which impressed in the opening stage with their positive riding and have become more fancied. Unfortunately, Simon Gerrans, who did the business in LBL earlier in the year, landing some good bets, has been crossed off the list on account of Cav’s reckless riding bringing him down in the finale of the opening stage.

Australian veteran Michael Rogers is 34yo, but you wouldn’t know it after his highly impressive riding in the Giro, winning two stages including, the second longest stage 11, when on the Naso di Gatto climb he jettisoned all his fears in a thrilling power descent into Savona as the menacing peloton closed behind. He kept his form well in that race when much later he climbed very-much like a GC rider to victory on the Zoncolan, obliterating all. Clearly he is here to support Contador and his help will be necessary after TCS lost Kreuziger, but with the understanding that Bertie might not require having his hand held on a stage where the GC contenders should call a truce once upon the Holme Moss, he may be given freedom to pick a suitable group of pirates for a bar-room brawl on a likely parcours for such a fight. He finished 5th on the first stage, suggesting that whilst he wasn’t entirely suited by the finish, he thought a win was some chance. Whilst he has ridden the Giro he continues to appear full of riding. At 150/1 with (PP), he is excellent value on an E/W basis. Should be 33/1, tops. Don’t overlook. Good prospects.

Lieuwe Westra backed-up his unlucky Dauphine stage 6, 2nd place finish to Bakelants with a courageous win in the following stage when climbing onto the mountain-top finish of Finaut-Emosson, and in the process proving he has the tough-as-nails characteristics required to stand victorious in a bar-room brawl. In fact, his earlier ride impressed more, given the trail of blood he left along the parcours from his fisticuffs with Bakelants. He has a bunch of DNFs in LBL and a 123rd this season, but it’s only been since 2012 when he has given some indication of developing his puncheur-style characteristics. Excellent E/W value at 125/1 with (PP) when compared to Bakelants’ price of 40/1 near the top of the betting order. Westra is a competent performer who may find himself amongst the stage-winning selections. Worthy of close consideration.

Rui Costa impressed in the opening stage with his forward riding, he appeared to be near the front for most of the race, and that kind of riding will be an advantage here if he decides to make or go with an attack. I’m still unsure exactly how he is going to approach this Tour, but he did have a top-10 in LBL in 2013 and this stage does look like one where he might attempt the win. 100/1 (BetFred) would be about right if his intentions were clearer. Would normally be one to keep safe from the outset, but an IR play might be best at this time given the incomplete information. Consider.

Will the GC contenders believe Purito’s spiel that he is only here for stage wins, when he decides to attack on a parcours which suits? 150/1 WIN ONLY looks very big for some boxes being ticked, but there are obvious question marks. May pay to have him on side from the outset as he should be trading much shorter in-running I believe, but not sure the money will come. Interesting proposition.

Greg Van Avermaet’s last start in the Tour was in 2009. He is excited to be back in the biggest race in the world and he will be out to impress on a stage which isn’t unfamiliar to his characteristics. His best result in LBL was a 7th in 2011, but he has become a harder rider since then, and is having a good season with a 2nd place finish in the Tour of Flanders and a tough 2nd placed finish in Omloop Het Nieuwsblad when pummeled by Stannard in heavy conditions. Little value at 50/1 at ante-post. Don’t discount lightly.

Michal Kwiatkowski is here for experience and development, but given his young age I think what he understands is that he is here for a GC position over stage wins. He is too short for mine as is Jan Bakelants, and Sagan’s price is ridiculous on a stage which looks a little too tough. Sagan has never ridden LBL for a reason, and his best Ardennes result is a 3rd in 2012 in AGR, a much easier race, moreover his win in the 2013 Brabant Arrow can be considered a lower class of race compared to this.

** Michael Rogers. 150/1 E/W.
*  Lieuwe Westra. 125/1 E/W.
*  Purito. 150/1 WIN ONLY.

Good luck to all,
SP
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Report sixtwosix July 5, 2014 9:43 PM BST
Will be watching on the Cragg Vale climb.
Cycled up there today , as did hundreds of people it seemed.
Report marychain1 July 5, 2014 10:06 PM BST
I can't see an early breakaway staying out but I do think the punchers will get away on the final climbs. Jenkin Road is ridiculously steep, but then there's a descent and then about 3km of flat before the line. I think it will be a sprint from a reduced group. Sagan will probably get dropped up Jenkin Rd but will he get back on? I think so but as SP says he is very short for a stage of this nature. I also think Kwiatowski is a big danger. He has the flat speed to win from a small group. Others that are proven over this sort of course are Valverde and Albasini. I got 25/1 and 40/1 earlier today with PP.
Report Off the toe July 6, 2014 11:19 AM BST
M. Fuglsang 125/1
M. Frank 200/1
P. Rolland 100/1
H. Haussler 200/1
Report ClayDavis July 6, 2014 11:21 AM BST
Peter Sagan is a stone cold certainty here. They won't drop him or get rid of him and it will be curtains as all the other sprinters will be long gone. Sagan on the snaff
Report Happybacker July 6, 2014 12:22 PM BST
Think Sagan the likliest winner but as others have said the price is way too small. Have had small ew interest on Kristoff 80/1, Thomas 150/1, and Rojas 80/1.

Gl all
Report Off the toe July 6, 2014 4:32 PM BST
Well what a fantastic stage that was...nice bit of posturing in the last 5k...

Cannondale had enough people there at the death to hand it to Sagan but they managed to **** it up.
Report ClayDavis July 6, 2014 4:34 PM BST
I know SP keeps defending him but there are simply no excuses, Peter Sagan is the most tactically inept rider (of the big guns) I have seen in a long time. he is the fastest finisher of any of the riders in the lead group, they do everything to dislodge him on Jenkin Road and fail but Sagan then takes it up and pushes n before being mugged by Nibali late on and running out of steam. It was a pathetic ride. Truly awful. Tactically awful in the Tour of Flanders. Ditto Paris Roubaix.
Report Fela Kuti July 6, 2014 6:16 PM BST

Jul 6, 2014 -- 4:34PM, ClayDavis wrote:


I know SP keeps defending him but there are simply no excuses, Peter Sagan is the most tactically inept rider (of the big guns) I have seen in a long time. he is the fastest finisher of any of the riders in the lead group, they do everything to dislodge him on Jenkin Road and fail but Sagan then takes it up and pushes n before being mugged by Nibali late on and running out of steam. It was a pathetic ride. Truly awful. Tactically awful in the Tour of Flanders. Ditto Paris Roubaix.


So he wasn't a stone cold certainty then

Report SwingingPick July 6, 2014 6:40 PM BST
Correct understanding in relation to it being a similar race to LBL, however I'll admit I placed too much importance on the cat.2 Holme Mos climb, whilst the real race was, on approach, and including Jenkin Road in the last 7kms or so. There wasn't a selection on that final climb, but some riders lost the race there, since it was still such a tough slog to the finish and they made too much of an effort to act up.

I don't agree with toe's comment that CAN were well represented, think SKY had the best possibility of gaining an advantage with a tag-team approach, but just picking up on Clay's comment, it seemed to me that Sagan was more interested in imposing himself on the other riders with his strong presence, instead of sitting off, buying time, doing no work, and calculating the right move. In that regard, I agree that it was a tactically poor performance in so far as he didn't win the race when he clearly should have. It seemed like he wanted to scare the other riders away, instead of startling them all-of-a-sudden with his obvious power. Nibali, on the other hand, 2nd in LBL in 2012, used his street smarts to sense the mood just perfectly, and it was never in doubt when he opened-up his acceleration.

Bertie dug down for a second go on the climb, but didn't have the power to draw away, and Froome was impressive when he had a go, but like Bertie couldn't make it stick. Of the two, Froome looked a little better, but there'll be obvious improvement in both. The worst ride was Valverde, I thought he'd have this quite well after sitting-out most of the early punches thrown, but just wasn't interested today. Bit of a waste of a ride. Purito sat at the back of the peloton for most of the stage, he was there yesterday also, but I thought it was because of a flat tyre or getting caught up in the peloton slowing for a narrow part -- it appears more likely now that he has lost confidence and is hurting, I think. Gerrans in it for a long way, might have won this given his street smarts but the crash yesterday caught up with him today. Sad for him. SP
Report Off the toe July 6, 2014 7:53 PM BST
What I mean SP is that Sagan should have won that team with a better team and individual approach in the last 10k..

The odds suggested the stage was set up for him to win and for all bar the final nibali jump you felt he was going to..so something went wrong.

I think all the Bertie and  Froome stuff was mere **** measuring, nothing else...Nibali was opportunist and was obviously a display of leadership to his team...a good effort although I was gutted fuglsang couldn't bring it home...

I think Yorkshire put on a decent show, however I think a lot of the field were miffed that a second stage GC shoot out was a bit more difficult than what they are used to...

I look forward to reading your day 3 write up.
Report sixtwosix July 6, 2014 8:14 PM BST
I think Froome's attack was a bluff , he knew there was only about 200 metres of the steep climb left when he attacked , doubt it fooled anyone.

Had a wonderful day watching the race on Cragg Vale , massive crowds and a wonderful atmosphere and warm dry weather.
Something for my 16 year old son to remember fondly and tell his kids about in the future.
Report Off the toe July 6, 2014 8:40 PM BST
Good for you Six! I lived in Hebden for a few years about 15 years ago...lovely part of the world.

Course Froome was just letting everyone know as Bertie was what he had...and in reference to SP maybe this is what did for Sagan in the end...just watching last 15k on Eurosport again.
Report SwingingPick July 6, 2014 8:44 PM BST
No worries toe, it's your opinion and I respect it mate.

It's quite a funny situation here in Sydney Australia, where it's winter and dark, in that we are getting bombarded with a commercial on t.v. for the Tour Down Under, which makes fun of the fact that it's cold and night time here presently, while you guys over there are enjoying the fun of the race in warm sunny weather and celebrating it all. It really looks great on t.v. -- the crowds are very impressive, I mean very impressive, and you are all doing a great credit to the race, imo. SP
Report Off the toe July 6, 2014 8:59 PM BST
Cheers mate..I like Sagan so certainly don't have an agenda against him...

As a Yorkshireman living in Edinburgh I've been so moved by Le Grand Depart...I'm a born and bred Halifax boy and was  bit pi$$ed with some of the crowds on Ripponden today though...the UK channel spent most of the race trying to defend them...but some of the antics were of a still inexperienced cycling nation.

That said it showed our beautiful county in its best light and I'm moving back next month so happy days Cool
Report CJ70 July 6, 2014 11:47 PM BST
Not sure Sagan's tactics are that bad. In a group it's up to him to work as nobody will take him to the line, so his best chance is getting out of it with a small group.

As it happened he didn't chase Nibali and that was that.
Report SwingingPick July 7, 2014 6:28 AM BST
That's precisely why his tactics were bad though, he came to the front to puff his chest on Jenkin Road, when the smart thing to have been doing is sitting at the back of the pack picking the right counter attack. It's like he doesn't know his strength in the eyes of his opponents, because of course no one will want to take him to the line. So what happens? The whole thing slows and attacks go, then go with the one with the best mood, Sagan should be telling himself. I think Clay would be much more willing to see him try and just fail on the line, instead of smashing chairs and tables and never being truly involved? It's like he is scared to bury himself and get caught, it must be that I think. SP
Report CJ70 July 7, 2014 11:57 AM BST
But that's what he did do? He went with the Lotto and AG2R riders and then they just stopped when they saw he was with them. Losing to GVA and Kwia in the sprint suggests he didn't have anything left.
Report ClayDavis July 7, 2014 4:16 PM BST
Guys, you are wrong. Sagan made the mistake of using his team to chase before Jenkin road and on Jenkin road. They were spent after Jenkin road. Sagan should have just concentrated in getting over Jenkin road with his team and then used them to chase down attacks. This became like a mini worlds or a mini classic and you never ever show your hand early. Sagan had his team at the front saying in big neon lights "I feel good today". It's a stage he should have won. A stage he should have bolted up in
Report Chad Collins number wan July 8, 2014 11:37 AM BST
Interesting from the twittersphere: https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/status/485814302335836160

"Sagan just said he didn't follow Nibali's attack "because he is my friend" and said if he went, "I would bring everyone with me""

Believable?
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