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Will be watching on the Cragg Vale climb.
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I can't see an early breakaway staying out but I do think the punchers will get away on the final climbs. Jenkin Road is ridiculously steep, but then there's a descent and then about 3km of flat before the line. I think it will be a sprint from a reduced group. Sagan will probably get dropped up Jenkin Rd but will he get back on? I think so but as SP says he is very short for a stage of this nature. I also think Kwiatowski is a big danger. He has the flat speed to win from a small group. Others that are proven over this sort of course are Valverde and Albasini. I got 25/1 and 40/1 earlier today with PP.
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M. Fuglsang 125/1
M. Frank 200/1 P. Rolland 100/1 H. Haussler 200/1 |
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Peter Sagan is a stone cold certainty here. They won't drop him or get rid of him and it will be curtains as all the other sprinters will be long gone. Sagan on the snaff
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Think Sagan the likliest winner but as others have said the price is way too small. Have had small ew interest on Kristoff 80/1, Thomas 150/1, and Rojas 80/1.
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Well what a fantastic stage that was...nice bit of posturing in the last 5k...
Cannondale had enough people there at the death to hand it to Sagan but they managed to **** it up. |
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I know SP keeps defending him but there are simply no excuses, Peter Sagan is the most tactically inept rider (of the big guns) I have seen in a long time. he is the fastest finisher of any of the riders in the lead group, they do everything to dislodge him on Jenkin Road and fail but Sagan then takes it up and pushes n before being mugged by Nibali late on and running out of steam. It was a pathetic ride. Truly awful. Tactically awful in the Tour of Flanders. Ditto Paris Roubaix.
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Correct understanding in relation to it being a similar race to LBL, however I'll admit I placed too much importance on the cat.2 Holme Mos climb, whilst the real race was, on approach, and including Jenkin Road in the last 7kms or so. There wasn't a selection on that final climb, but some riders lost the race there, since it was still such a tough slog to the finish and they made too much of an effort to act up.
I don't agree with toe's comment that CAN were well represented, think SKY had the best possibility of gaining an advantage with a tag-team approach, but just picking up on Clay's comment, it seemed to me that Sagan was more interested in imposing himself on the other riders with his strong presence, instead of sitting off, buying time, doing no work, and calculating the right move. In that regard, I agree that it was a tactically poor performance in so far as he didn't win the race when he clearly should have. It seemed like he wanted to scare the other riders away, instead of startling them all-of-a-sudden with his obvious power. Nibali, on the other hand, 2nd in LBL in 2012, used his street smarts to sense the mood just perfectly, and it was never in doubt when he opened-up his acceleration. Bertie dug down for a second go on the climb, but didn't have the power to draw away, and Froome was impressive when he had a go, but like Bertie couldn't make it stick. Of the two, Froome looked a little better, but there'll be obvious improvement in both. The worst ride was Valverde, I thought he'd have this quite well after sitting-out most of the early punches thrown, but just wasn't interested today. Bit of a waste of a ride. Purito sat at the back of the peloton for most of the stage, he was there yesterday also, but I thought it was because of a flat tyre or getting caught up in the peloton slowing for a narrow part -- it appears more likely now that he has lost confidence and is hurting, I think. Gerrans in it for a long way, might have won this given his street smarts but the crash yesterday caught up with him today. Sad for him. SP |
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What I mean SP is that Sagan should have won that team with a better team and individual approach in the last 10k..
The odds suggested the stage was set up for him to win and for all bar the final nibali jump you felt he was going to..so something went wrong. I think all the Bertie and Froome stuff was mere **** measuring, nothing else...Nibali was opportunist and was obviously a display of leadership to his team...a good effort although I was gutted fuglsang couldn't bring it home... I think Yorkshire put on a decent show, however I think a lot of the field were miffed that a second stage GC shoot out was a bit more difficult than what they are used to... I look forward to reading your day 3 write up. |
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I think Froome's attack was a bluff , he knew there was only about 200 metres of the steep climb left when he attacked , doubt it fooled anyone.
Had a wonderful day watching the race on Cragg Vale , massive crowds and a wonderful atmosphere and warm dry weather. Something for my 16 year old son to remember fondly and tell his kids about in the future. |
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Good for you Six! I lived in Hebden for a few years about 15 years ago...lovely part of the world.
Course Froome was just letting everyone know as Bertie was what he had...and in reference to SP maybe this is what did for Sagan in the end...just watching last 15k on Eurosport again. |
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No worries toe, it's your opinion and I respect it mate.
It's quite a funny situation here in Sydney Australia, where it's winter and dark, in that we are getting bombarded with a commercial on t.v. for the Tour Down Under, which makes fun of the fact that it's cold and night time here presently, while you guys over there are enjoying the fun of the race in warm sunny weather and celebrating it all. It really looks great on t.v. -- the crowds are very impressive, I mean very impressive, and you are all doing a great credit to the race, imo. SP |
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Cheers mate..I like Sagan so certainly don't have an agenda against him...
As a Yorkshireman living in Edinburgh I've been so moved by Le Grand Depart...I'm a born and bred Halifax boy and was bit pi$$ed with some of the crowds on Ripponden today though...the UK channel spent most of the race trying to defend them...but some of the antics were of a still inexperienced cycling nation. That said it showed our beautiful county in its best light and I'm moving back next month so happy days ![]() |
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Not sure Sagan's tactics are that bad. In a group it's up to him to work as nobody will take him to the line, so his best chance is getting out of it with a small group.
As it happened he didn't chase Nibali and that was that. |
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That's precisely why his tactics were bad though, he came to the front to puff his chest on Jenkin Road, when the smart thing to have been doing is sitting at the back of the pack picking the right counter attack. It's like he doesn't know his strength in the eyes of his opponents, because of course no one will want to take him to the line. So what happens? The whole thing slows and attacks go, then go with the one with the best mood, Sagan should be telling himself. I think Clay would be much more willing to see him try and just fail on the line, instead of smashing chairs and tables and never being truly involved? It's like he is scared to bury himself and get caught, it must be that I think. SP
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But that's what he did do? He went with the Lotto and AG2R riders and then they just stopped when they saw he was with them. Losing to GVA and Kwia in the sprint suggests he didn't have anything left.
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Guys, you are wrong. Sagan made the mistake of using his team to chase before Jenkin road and on Jenkin road. They were spent after Jenkin road. Sagan should have just concentrated in getting over Jenkin road with his team and then used them to chase down attacks. This became like a mini worlds or a mini classic and you never ever show your hand early. Sagan had his team at the front saying in big neon lights "I feel good today". It's a stage he should have won. A stage he should have bolted up in
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Interesting from the twittersphere: https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/status/485814302335836160
"Sagan just said he didn't follow Nibali's attack "because he is my friend" and said if he went, "I would bring everyone with me"" Believable? |