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By:
SwingingPick
When: 12 Jul 14 19:56
Cheers budd, I agree with MC in that Nibali is unlikely to lose much time in the ITT if any. Nibali is pretty rock solid in the discipline and even if a GC contender has a better ride than him, it'll likely only be by a handful of seconds. I think you could include a puncture for that kind of time difference.

Nibali looked very comfortable on Bertie's wheel on the final climb of stage 8, and unless Bertie brings his Crit Dauphine game into play, and/or Valverde smashes the climbs in the Pyrenees, Nibali will roll into Paris quite comfortably, at the moment. I mean, it's still early but I could not find any evidence of a plan by the other teams to put Nibali under pressure. Sure TCS looked good on the front, but that just prevented Nibali from attacking, not dropping him. Moreover, when it was quite clear what AST were doing prior to the day's climbing by allowing the gap to blow-out to an insane amount, none of the other teams seemed to notice until it was too late. It was amateur hour, no wonder Vino couldn't get the smile off his face when the camera came alongside his car window. And the thing was that it wasn't even a sign of weakness by AST/Nibali -- why work hard when you don't have to, since there is still so much hard work to do? Smart riding by AST and poor strategy by the others. Advantage Nibali.

Cheers,
SP
By:
buddeliea
When: 13 Jul 14 08:39
Thanks SP
Yeh it seemed to me watching yesterday that Astana were thinking about the climbs ahead,saving themselves,and maybe less worried about helping Nibali?? he was always going to cope fine with Tinkoff on that kind of stage imo. They will be needed a lot more in the big hills.

After watching that yesterday I am pretty confident that Nibali wont lose much time on Contador in the high mountains,certainly not enough to threaten GC,and some of the other contenders were a tad disappointing I thought.
Maybe the start of this tour is already taking its toll on some of the GC boys,its been a pretty tough week.

Reason I mentioned the TT was a mate of mine saying he weren't the best at trialling.
Still if you and MC say hes not likely to lose time,thats made me feel a lot better.

Been a great race so far,love it.
By:
peter64
When: 13 Jul 14 10:25
why has contador shortened quite a bit now 2.06 from about 2.7 after stage 5 ?
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 13 Jul 14 14:59
3 sec. lol
By:
SwingingPick
When: 13 Jul 14 20:37
Oleg Tinkov’s words in the media might have additionally fuelled some of that excitement.

AST smart-riding on stage 9, giving the yellow jersey away.

The virtual GC is as follows:

Nibali      VIRTUAL
Porte        + 1.58 
Kwiatkowski + 2.26 
Valverde    + 2.27 
Rolland      + 2.33 
Contador    + 2.34 
Bardet      + 2.39 


Cheers,
SP
By:
bb66
When: 14 Jul 14 17:12
done and dusted unless Scarponi guides Nibali into the gutter
By:
SwingingPick
When: 14 Jul 14 21:08
Nibali    @Virtual @Restday
Porte      +1.58      +2.23   
Valverde   +2.27      +2.47   
Bardet      +2.39      +3.01   


Even should Scarponi guide Nibali into the gutter, he'll get up, dust himself off, get back to the front, and finish hard with such a lead. However, I'm not prepared to lay all my Valverde 50s at ante-post just yet though, he can still make it interesting in the Pyrenees, and a crosswinds stage down into Nimes and/or Bergerac could throw up a surprise or two. SP
By:
marychain1
When: 15 Jul 14 04:29
Same here. I've got Nibali onside, Valverde is my biggest green and TJVG each way so I'm sitting tight.
By:
ClayDavis
When: 15 Jul 14 07:55
Valverde is happy with 2nd or 3rd.....can't see him doing anything other than defending that position.

I'm laying Porte for Top 3 as he always has one shocker on a grand tour where he losses heaps of time. That day is still to come!!!
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Jul 14 17:29
Agree re Valverde and have had a saver on him,as I have nice odds on Nibali.
Had a couple of other small savers on riders at big odds as well.
Only Porte can stop me making a nice profit on the race and I cannot touch him at the prices,dont think he will beat Valverde anyway let alone Nibali.
Mind you the way the race is going he may be the only contender left going into Paris!!
By:
bb66
When: 16 Jul 14 09:37
Can't see Valverde beating Nibali with his TT weakness, will need a Nibali crash (unlikely) and a day off from Porte in the mountains (possible) to beat them
By:
ExpertBoy
When: 16 Jul 14 11:09
Porte has a great advantage, the TT. He can easily put 1min+ on Valverde there. Valverde has to make time on mountains, but wont be easy to take more than 1min, unless Porte has a really bad day (wich isnt unusual from him)
By:
buddeliea
When: 16 Jul 14 18:14
Yeh see what you say lads, I just have a feeling valverde will make time on Porte in the high mountains to come,whether it will be enough to get the time he needs I aint sure,but I would not be surprised if he did become Nibali's main threat.
By:
buddeliea
When: 16 Jul 14 18:23
Put it this way,i expect Valverde to be ahead of Porte by the time the TT comes along,just a case of will it be far enough.
By:
bb66
When: 16 Jul 14 21:30
Scarponi crashed againShocked
By:
nugget
When: 16 Jul 14 23:04
very average racing
in what is the worst edition of the tour in living memory
By:
nugget
When: 16 Jul 14 23:42
^^
the start in the UK was good. they should of done the whole race there
By:
nugget
When: 16 Jul 14 23:53
this race is over and was so after stage 5

yellow, green and polka dot jerseys all sewn up
By:
ClayDavis
When: 18 Jul 14 16:27
Laying Porte for top 3 is like taking candy from a baby Cool he does this every grand tour....always has a shocking day
By:
bb66
When: 18 Jul 14 16:38
don't think it's a shocking day only this time, simply a lack of form and stamina in the high mountains as the season didn't go to plan
By:
buddeliea
When: 19 Jul 14 07:27
Porte was always a shocking price imo,too many people wrapped up in Sky!!
How he was 2nd fav is beyond me,but happy he was!!

Yellow done and dusted bar illness or accident, but we could still have some fun for the podium.

Quiet clear that Nibali was saving himself for this tour,and to be honest I think Froome and Contador would have struggled to hold him in this form.......sadly we will never know.

Hope they all make it next year fit and in form,and add Quintana and we could well have the best race ever!!
By:
buddeliea
When: 19 Jul 14 10:04
Mountains category could be interesting.Rodriguez looks a bit short after yesterday to me.

Some nice prices outside the top 2,any thoughts??
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 14 18:57
A race around France with all the fancied riders present and accounted for, imagine that!

I think you were spot on with the MC budd, looked way too short with the data now added and prices adjusted in retrospect. I haven't really been involved beyond an initial bet on Edet at ante-post by way of a forum suggestion.

Majka might be TCS's big winner if he continues like this, since a jersey is a big prize for them in Paris, in terms of constructing a narrative around their team qualities in the face of the disruptive Contador event, earlier. So, you'd have to expect them to recalibrate if you will, and offer good support for Majka coming into the Pyrenees to control this battle for the MC. For him to finish with a win and a 2nd in two tough climbing stages back-to-back, makes for a very strong understanding of his form. The only thing is that he might have hit the top of his form right now, and all the hard riding catches up to him in the Pyrenees, since he has ridden the Giro prior to starting in England for this. This would require more work to solve, at this time.

Cheers,
SP
By:
bb66
When: 24 Jul 14 16:26
3 things I like in this Tour

1. Nibali trying to Show he would have been a match for Froome and AC
2. the interesting battle for pos 2-6
3. the KOM won by a rider who is able to mix it with the best climbers of the race
By:
bb66
When: 25 Jul 14 12:56
where will we see Uran?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 25 Jul 14 19:08
Fully on-board with your 3 likes, bb. Having said that it's certainly been an unusual race, and I didn't like that the Alps seemed like they were regarded as a passing thought, I think the Alps should always be a big feature in the race and they weren't for this edition. The start in England was fantastic, I'm not sure we'll ever see crowds like that again unless for another Grand Depart in England. The classics-style stages throughout the Tour were really entertaining, also.

In relation to Uran, it's all still speculation at this time I think, but the Vuelta would've always been the target after his Giro ride. If he starts in the Race of Friendship in August, then it might look like he'll be on-course for the Vuelta. SP
By:
buddeliea
When: 26 Jul 14 06:21
Well Nibali certainly showed for me he would have been a match for Froome and Contador,and to be honest I thought he would be anyway.
Just wish we could have seen it. Although I maybe would not have won money!!!.....who knows.
Hes a worthy winner, no doubt in my mind,hes smashed them, but at the same time I am pretty sure Froome and Contador in form would have done the same.
Sometimes in sport the best are not always there to compete for various reasons,and we just have to give praise to the winner. Better that than get wrapped up in- well he would not have won if so and so were there etc etc.

Hopefully next season we will get to see the top top riders compete in the same tour,all in form.
Well we can all hope!!
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