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Been a great series so far and I reckon India are looking the better team.
England at 1.98 look very short and lay material.
Be interesting to see what the toss outcome brings.
England at 1.98 look very short and lay material.
Be interesting to see what the toss outcome brings.
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Should be GSM but India will cling on to something whilst someone as good as Jadeja is out there.
Draw looks awfully short @4.6
Only two wickets in that session but draw still too short @8.6
Draw looks short @260
Only two wickets in that session but draw still too short @8.6
Draw looks short @260
Might be a lot of runs, but India have looked very solid since the last wicket.
Just had a look at the market and tempted by the draw at 300 now but I am greened out on the other results so don't really want to get involved again.
Amazing how much action there's been on the brink of an intermission in this series.
Gotta love Test cricket
Well done everybody for greening out
Pant run out was pivotal to result imho
Well done everybody for greening out
Pant run out was pivotal to result imho
easy to say, but india would be 3-0 up this series, but for 2balls, gills stupidity 1 test trying to get 150 with a six. and rahuls run for his 100 , pivotal
England have bowled well but for once this has been a very average effort by the Indian batsmen, some of their dismissals were terrible. Rahul got a good one but the others were largely avoidable, even Reddy who had played sensibly lost concentration there on the stroke of lunch. I expect them to be much more focused for the next test. I can't imagine that if Kohli had still been in the side that they would have let this match slip. Presuming there isn't a final twist and England do go on to win then it looks like the batting line up will survive for the next game, that would be a shame as it needs shaking up.
Hayden- you have been watching the Aussies V WI game - are the pitches out there really that bad now or is it more due to bad batting ? The Aussie batting line up doesn't look as formidable as in previous years which will give England hope for the winter but i fear the Aussie bowlers will still win them the series whatever.
Hayden- you have been watching the Aussies V WI game - are the pitches out there really that bad now or is it more due to bad batting ? The Aussie batting line up doesn't look as formidable as in previous years which will give England hope for the winter but i fear the Aussie bowlers will still win them the series whatever.
These two will have to give it a go at some point, not going anywhere at the moment. No point leaving it to the last wicket. My guess is they are going to creep it down to 50 wanted then play a few shots.
Very difficult for batsmen Dixie and as difficult as i can remember viewing under the lights , that said there's been some jaffa's bowled and these Windies are so up for this test , Green showing what a class player he's becoming by surviving the barrage , i'd say you'd struggle to pick a world X1 that'd make 300 on this track.
Should be good tonight if i can stay awake , they're already chasing 181 so need Green out very early and try to get some batting before the lights as it'll only get harder.
Should be good tonight if i can stay awake , they're already chasing 181 so need Green out very early and try to get some batting before the lights as it'll only get harder.
Another shocker from the Umpire. Outside the line! The match is tilting back to India.
Bashir comes on to bowl after sitting in the pavilion. Thought he could not bowl until he had spent as long on the field as off it. That rule changed or never applied in Test cricket?
It used to apply if you left the field then came back on, he has not, maybe that is why or could be as you say I suppose. Wish the commentator would enlighten us.
Absolute masterclass in rope-a-doping here
Only the rain can save Albion
and it ain't coming!
God Bless America.
Only the rain can save Albion
and it ain't coming!
God Bless America.
India have refused a lot of singles, would have been a lot nearer had they played normal cricket. Bumrah has not looked in too much trouble and played 47 balls.
Jul 14, 2025 -- 3:11PM, barstool wrote:
It used to apply if you left the field then came back on, he has not, maybe that is why or could be as you say I suppose. Wish the commentator would enlighten us.
External injury, he can come & go as he pleases
Thank you Athers.
"Can come back and bowl because it is an external injury"
Sageform on the right wavelength too.
"Can come back and bowl because it is an external injury"
Sageform on the right wavelength too.
Relatively speaking,England huge at 1.44
bearing in mind when Jadeja was 'dismissed'
they hit 1.02
Bumrah's no mug with the bat
but Siraj is a bunny
so as soon as one of these is next out
there are still too many runs to achieve the target slogging
but the middle to lower order have shown this was readily attainable
bearing in mind when Jadeja was 'dismissed'
they hit 1.02
Bumrah's no mug with the bat
but Siraj is a bunny
so as soon as one of these is next out
there are still too many runs to achieve the target slogging
but the middle to lower order have shown this was readily attainable
Stokes has Captained well this Test. Got the toss right. His run out of Pant was pivotal in the game and he has bowled well, at the right times with the right deliveries. Think he has inspired Archer a bit too. He deserves the plaudits.
Ben Stokes has a fourth innings bowling average of 6.83 over the last two years. The best of all seamers that have bowled a minimum of 100 deliveries in this period.
Monumental effort here from the Rockstar , concentration levels off the scale 
England fortunate to get the one wicket in that session. Bumrah just couldn't help himself. Still hard to believe they can get these vitually in singles. Hardly any boundaries and only one two?
It is the field setting given the state of the game, England stopping the boundary and offering singles India do not want to take.
30 wanted, 10 overs to the new ball, 1 wicket needed.
What a finish in store. Do not leave your seats.
30 wanted, 10 overs to the new ball, 1 wicket needed.
What a finish in store. Do not leave your seats.
i layed eng from the get go but i so want them to win this
What a bizarre way for the game to end. Well done England. It must have ben agonising to see the India score getting so close.
Despite no financial bias and not rooting for either team that was tension at its peak
I'm not sure either side deserved to win that ! Gripping it may be but the quality was often lacking, look at the number of dumb shots played to get out.
Got to feel for Jadeja, played really well, deserved better. A real rush of blood from Bumrah who had got his head down in unexpected fashion, he will be kicking himself.
As for that last wicket, well how bizarre, kind of summed up proceedings.
On to Old Trafford now, changes should be made but i doubt they will be now. Of course Zak scored that brilliant 189 two years ago there in The Ashes so no doubt that will be the managements excuse for keeping him in the side.
Got to feel for Jadeja, played really well, deserved better. A real rush of blood from Bumrah who had got his head down in unexpected fashion, he will be kicking himself.
As for that last wicket, well how bizarre, kind of summed up proceedings.
On to Old Trafford now, changes should be made but i doubt they will be now. Of course Zak scored that brilliant 189 two years ago there in The Ashes so no doubt that will be the managements excuse for keeping him in the side.
I remember WD saying how he thought Stokes was one of England's greatest captains and I completely disagreed, however hands up , he was brilliant during this test and is definitely moving up the captains table
What a shame the game should end on a freak dismissal.
Hayden, i found my old autograph book earlier, alas no Richards of Greenidge signatures, but had Luckhurst, Cowdrey, Denness etc in there along with a few from a Somerset V Gloucester game i saw whilst on hols from the mid 70s including Brian Close who must have been mid 40s at the time.
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Trivia question - one of the Somerset autographs i got was Brian Langford who was a very good spinner who took nearly 1400 wickets in his career. I know you liked the John Player League, in 1969 Brian set a bowling record that will almost certainly never be beaten - any idea what it is ?
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Trivia question - one of the Somerset autographs i got was Brian Langford who was a very good spinner who took nearly 1400 wickets in his career. I know you liked the John Player League, in 1969 Brian set a bowling record that will almost certainly never be beaten - any idea what it is ?
hunt l & c - i think you have to win the Ashes down under to qualify as a great captain. We shall see how things transpire this winter.
Stokes is certainly good but does make questionable decisions at times. Bravado can get the better of him.
Stokes is certainly good but does make questionable decisions at times. Bravado can get the better of him.
That's rings a bell Dixie , i won't defeat the object and google but had to be something to do with not conceding many from what i remember of him especially as it was limited overs , a bowler with a brain from what i remember.
Correct Hayden, it was to do with bowling economy. Quite unbelievably he bowled 8 overs, 8 maidens v Essex at Yeovil. So took 0-0.
It is the only time in List A cricket history that a bowler has bowled his full allocation of overs (8 in the JPL as you know) without conceding a run.
It is the only time in List A cricket history that a bowler has bowled his full allocation of overs (8 in the JPL as you know) without conceding a run.
Crikey wouldn't have stretched the answer that far tbh , beggars belief in a test match never mind a 40 over competition.
Incredible achievement , do remember him though albeit pretty young when i traveled to all these games and mostly on my own , those were the days when your parents would let you do stuff like that and still fully expect to see you alive again.
The Bill Frindall one was funny in hindsight , if i'd have known his now legendary status then as he hadn't been scoring long then i don't think i'd have probably asked him if he wanted his shoes cleaning
Incredible achievement , do remember him though albeit pretty young when i traveled to all these games and mostly on my own , those were the days when your parents would let you do stuff like that and still fully expect to see you alive again.
The Bill Frindall one was funny in hindsight , if i'd have known his now legendary status then as he hadn't been scoring long then i don't think i'd have probably asked him if he wanted his shoes cleaning
Coulda,Woulda,Shouda-the old maxim..2-1 Eng but all know it should be 3-0 and not to Eng
In my book,this defeat is down to Jaiswal and Gill in particular in the 2nd inns
Is it lack of concentration,entitlement,hubris?
They are adept at contriving to snatch defeat from the proverbial jaws
Don't tell me that's a bunch of happy bunnies in that camp
There has to be a level of being let down by certain players if not dissension
Proper game of attritional cricket in the latter stages and more gripping for it instead of the wham bam thank you mam b0llocks
In my book,this defeat is down to Jaiswal and Gill in particular in the 2nd inns
Is it lack of concentration,entitlement,hubris?
They are adept at contriving to snatch defeat from the proverbial jaws
Don't tell me that's a bunch of happy bunnies in that camp
There has to be a level of being let down by certain players if not dissension
Proper game of attritional cricket in the latter stages and more gripping for it instead of the wham bam thank you mam b0llocks
DixieDean60; not 100% certain but I seem to remember Norman Gifford the Worcestershire captain bowling 0-0 in eight overs in a Sunday League game that was televised on BBC2.
The Bearded Wonder was indeed a TMS icon Hayden, Blowers speaks most highly and affectionately of him in his book. Listening to the broadcasts used to be like tuning in to your favourite uncles telling anecdotes and describing each delivery in between them. It's still good but its difficult to live up to those who went before.
I started going on my own or with a school friend to the cricket at The Mote when i was about 10, as you say we were trusted much more back then. We used to jump on a train to Maidstone in the morning and get back about 7 or 8 in the evening, parents would probably get done for child abuse now ! It's a real shame but that's society for you nowadays, i feel sorry for the kids.
Johnny, agree with your general points re India. I think they were more distracted by the time wasting shenanigans than England were. A more level headed approach by their batsmen in the second innings would have seen them home. A psychological win for England on top of the match result.
I started going on my own or with a school friend to the cricket at The Mote when i was about 10, as you say we were trusted much more back then. We used to jump on a train to Maidstone in the morning and get back about 7 or 8 in the evening, parents would probably get done for child abuse now ! It's a real shame but that's society for you nowadays, i feel sorry for the kids.
Johnny, agree with your general points re India. I think they were more distracted by the time wasting shenanigans than England were. A more level headed approach by their batsmen in the second innings would have seen them home. A psychological win for England on top of the match result.
Remember Norman Gifford quite well TCat but alas no memory of such a feat , one thing that does stick in my wind with Gifford was getting the great Imran Khan out for a duck in one of his few appearances for England , can't remember the competition though for the life of me , ODI probably.
Tcat - Norman was indeed a very good spinner and miserly with it but i can find no reference to him emulating Brian Langford. Do you know who the opposition were or the approximate year ?
Hayden, Norman only played 2 ODI's and he was 44 when he did so ! It was a 4 nation event in Sharjah and he did indeed bowl Imran for a golden duck, well remembered.
Ulverston's second most famous son, after Stan Laurel.
Hayden, Norman only played 2 ODI's and he was 44 when he did so ! It was a 4 nation event in Sharjah and he did indeed bowl Imran for a golden duck, well remembered.
Ulverston's second most famous son, after Stan Laurel.
Hi Dixie, think from your previous posts we are about the same age, when I first replied about the England captain debate and saying I didn't think you could be called a great captain until you won a ashes in Australia, saying Gatting and Strauss already had, but I was told that when Gatting won it was the worst Australian team ever!! Still I am with you that until you win the series over there you can't be considered "great".It is with great interest that I will be watching this winter, as although he has made many mistakes, and who doesn't, Ben Stokes is definitely a winner and he is going up in my estimation.
Ps thanks for the kind words Hayden
Ps thanks for the kind words Hayden
Track still difficult Dixie but Windies done a great job today so far , took last 4 Australian wickets for 22 runs in 8 overs including Green first delivery of the day.
Windies only need 204 for the win with the draw out of the equation , odds reflecting the wicket discussion as asking 1.43 on the exchange for an Aussie win which normally would look short but Windies only hit 200 once in the series so far.
They look a determined outfit this test though so let's see what happens.
Windies only need 204 for the win with the draw out of the equation , odds reflecting the wicket discussion as asking 1.43 on the exchange for an Aussie win which normally would look short but Windies only hit 200 once in the series so far.
They look a determined outfit this test though so let's see what happens.
Hi h l & c, i do think Stokes is a good captain from a motivational point of view but not particularly as a tactician, he does seem to have a lucky knack of bowling changes working out however. There have been some pretty poor defeats under his tenure but they are outweighed by the positive results and these are amplified to the max by our over excited media. We will be able to judge more in the months ahead.
Fat Gatt, fine player though he was, was certainly nowhere near a great captain, even though under his stewardship the ashes were indeed won down under. The two tests that England won there were the only wins of his 23 match captaincy !! The aussies were indeed a poor side at the time.
Mike Brearley was far and away the best England captain of my life time, a superb tactician and very good with the man management side as well. Three ashes series were won under him including two down under.
Fat Gatt, fine player though he was, was certainly nowhere near a great captain, even though under his stewardship the ashes were indeed won down under. The two tests that England won there were the only wins of his 23 match captaincy !! The aussies were indeed a poor side at the time.
Mike Brearley was far and away the best England captain of my life time, a superb tactician and very good with the man management side as well. Three ashes series were won under him including two down under.
has there ever been a worst start to an inngs 7-5 4 overs
What was that we were saying about the track
I only backed at 1.41 to level up from a 1.14 lay earlier , would normally let that run longer but watched it all last night and batting under those lights is exponentially brutal , profit's profit i guess and i'm a trader so play the numbers.
Starc bowling figures 4-3-6-5 and a dropped catch as well
I only backed at 1.41 to level up from a 1.14 lay earlier , would normally let that run longer but watched it all last night and batting under those lights is exponentially brutal , profit's profit i guess and i'm a trader so play the numbers.
Starc bowling figures 4-3-6-5 and a dropped catch as well
Who will replace Bashir?, not a long list of possibles , prob be Leach!
Maybe Norman Gifford will get a recall, he's still only 85 !
James Bethall will replace Bashir and Atkinson in for Woakes Bethall been in nets last 3 tests coached for 2 to 3 hours daily on left arm spin They want him in team for Ashes now they have reason to leave out Bashir prob bat 8
Fair enough stocks, id find room for our best keeper in Ben Foulkes, drop the show pony Pope and move. Smith up the order solely as a batter, I think he's easily good enough.
I agree OTJ, i said after the test last week that Smith could move up to 3 and get rid of Zak and Pope.
All of the talk about Bethell worries me, he hasn't played much First Class cricket at all and only has 12 FC wickets at 70 apiece ! His batting is a bit better averaging 28, but hardly stellar.
All of the talk about Bethell worries me, he hasn't played much First Class cricket at all and only has 12 FC wickets at 70 apiece ! His batting is a bit better averaging 28, but hardly stellar.
Talking of wicket keepers, look at the number of byes conceded by India in the match that just finished - 36 in total.
England conceded just 3.
Margin of victory - 22 runs.
England conceded just 3.
Margin of victory - 22 runs.
Trevor jesty bowled 7 overs for 0 runs in jp league
Looked up Gifford and his best on espn was 8 overs 4 mdns 9runs 1wk.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-best-economy-rate-innings/john-player-league-1970-6810
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Not to say he didn't do it, but
their records are pretty extensive.
Looked up Gifford and his best on espn was 8 overs 4 mdns 9runs 1wk.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-best-economy-rate-innings/john-player-league-1970-6810
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Not to say he didn't do it, but
their records are pretty extensive.
Oh it's only given me 1970
Ffs
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I don't think you will find any other bowler matching Brian's record YHTL.
As a little lad i was amazed by the economy of Deadly Derek Underwood who i thought could not be bettered, then i read of Brian's 0-0 in 8 overs.
That was obviously right at the start of the JPL when scoring 140 to 160 was seen as a good score. How times change....
As a little lad i was amazed by the economy of Deadly Derek Underwood who i thought could not be bettered, then i read of Brian's 0-0 in 8 overs.
That was obviously right at the start of the JPL when scoring 140 to 160 was seen as a good score. How times change....
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/best-economy-rate-in-an-innings-283295
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Jesty gone as only bowled 7 of 8 overs...
Gifford has a couple of entries
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Jesty gone as only bowled 7 of 8 overs...
Gifford has a couple of entries
I believe Ben Foukes has told Brendan MacCullen and Ben Stokes to don't bother calling me he is not interested Surrey now his only concern
Foakes should be in the side as he is the best keeper we have by a country mile. But he is not one of Stokes's mates so is left out in the cold.
It is beyond parody that Smith (not saying he's a bad keeper btw) doesn't keep for his county but does so for his country.
Foakes has been treated abysmally by Mccullum, Key and co. He is hardly a mug with the bat either.
Step Smith up to 3, drop Zak and Pope and play Foakes as keeper, batting at 7 would be the ideal scenario imo.
It is beyond parody that Smith (not saying he's a bad keeper btw) doesn't keep for his county but does so for his country.
Foakes has been treated abysmally by Mccullum, Key and co. He is hardly a mug with the bat either.
Step Smith up to 3, drop Zak and Pope and play Foakes as keeper, batting at 7 would be the ideal scenario imo.
easy to say, but india would be 3-0 up this series, but for 2balls, gills stupidity 1 test trying to get 150 with a six. and rahuls run for his 100 , pivotal
I remember WD saying how he thought Stokes was one of England's greatest captains and I completely disagreed, however hands up , he was brilliant during this test and is definitely moving up the captains table
India could be 3-0 up or 3-0 down depending on stupidity / poor leadership o& both Stokes and Gill. Fortunate fir us to hav3 such an exciting series.
More later on this!
Stokes is a phenom..,,, imagine if he he the players Brearley did!
I remember WD saying how he thought Stokes was one of England's greatest captains and I completely disagreed, however hands up , he was brilliant during this test and is definitely moving up the captains table
India could be 3-0 up or 3-0 down depending on stupidity / poor leadership o& both Stokes and Gill. Fortunate fir us to hav3 such an exciting series.
More later on this!
Stokes is a phenom..,,, imagine if he he the players Brearley did!
Well Dixie , I do agree with you about Brearley , however your memory has deceived you .Mike Brearley never won the Ashes in Australia...
Keep reading it could be 3-0 India but reckon it could just as easy be 3-0 England after winning 3 tosses , there's been so many fine margin instances in the series so far that let's face it the series could be any score an agenda wants it to be and as far as the word " should " goes these panic freebie dismissals aren't totally unexpected in the modern game considering the panic that sets in during the Hundred , IPL and all the other competitions in which you have to use a different mindset , guess i'm just more forgiving with some of these giveaway wickets than some because i'm accepting the mitigation of playing the limited overs format for a huge % of a players career in these modern times.
Remember a Botham interview several years ago commenting on how the game has changed since he played and suggested that batsman could hit as many as 80 in the last 10 overs , get Pooran and Maxwell at the crease " these days " and you're looking at nearer double.
If you reflect back to the older days there were very few freebie dismissals even at test level as i can remember but then again the alternatives were a 55 over Benson & Hedges and a 60 overs Gillette cup with a difficult chase seen as 275-300 plus the 40 overs Sunday league records which are now virtually the highest totals for T20 as these days the improvisation of shots required is off the scale with the Dilshan scoop and such.
From what i remember of the Morgan era of captaincy the teams for the one day & test matches were isolated more than they are now but good luck in general asking players to choose between Test cricket vs an IPL auction.
Sorry for the ramble but i'm just more forgiving these days it seems for soft test dismissals and even the odd crazy run out but that said it's fairly obvious that Zak and Ollie are a mile away from finding the right balance/technique between the different formats so expecting a change/shuffle for Manchester.
Remember a Botham interview several years ago commenting on how the game has changed since he played and suggested that batsman could hit as many as 80 in the last 10 overs , get Pooran and Maxwell at the crease " these days " and you're looking at nearer double.
If you reflect back to the older days there were very few freebie dismissals even at test level as i can remember but then again the alternatives were a 55 over Benson & Hedges and a 60 overs Gillette cup with a difficult chase seen as 275-300 plus the 40 overs Sunday league records which are now virtually the highest totals for T20 as these days the improvisation of shots required is off the scale with the Dilshan scoop and such.
From what i remember of the Morgan era of captaincy the teams for the one day & test matches were isolated more than they are now but good luck in general asking players to choose between Test cricket vs an IPL auction.
Sorry for the ramble but i'm just more forgiving these days it seems for soft test dismissals and even the odd crazy run out but that said it's fairly obvious that Zak and Ollie are a mile away from finding the right balance/technique between the different formats so expecting a change/shuffle for Manchester.
Yes could be 3-0 England had they batted first all three times. Point is I dis ,DT them back in. Stokes with the value of hindsight said he would do the same thing* which is stupidity, moronic.
Gill tries to hit Bashir for 6 to get to 150 in the first Test and gets caught. Innings collapses and England are not batted out of the Test like they should have been. I think Bashir gets Pant 3 times out of 4
Pant tries to get Rahul to 100 before lunch and the same thing happens.
Hinges of battle and small margins.
What I would say is great cricket or at least excitement. We all won handsomely too!
Next Test and you have to have England as favourites so again we shall have opportunity need to be prudent. I went quite heavy against England and reached a satisfactory exit point. Not sure I want to go against England just yet. I think Bumfah play, I think they need a number 3 or a new opener and Rahul to 3. They need Kuldeep too. I dont think he plays though.
Gill tries to hit Bashir for 6 to get to 150 in the first Test and gets caught. Innings collapses and England are not batted out of the Test like they should have been. I think Bashir gets Pant 3 times out of 4
Pant tries to get Rahul to 100 before lunch and the same thing happens.
Hinges of battle and small margins.
What I would say is great cricket or at least excitement. We all won handsomely too!
Next Test and you have to have England as favourites so again we shall have opportunity need to be prudent. I went quite heavy against England and reached a satisfactory exit point. Not sure I want to go against England just yet. I think Bumfah play, I think they need a number 3 or a new opener and Rahul to 3. They need Kuldeep too. I dont think he plays though.
Yes could be 3-0 England had they batted first all three times. Point is I dis ,DT them back in. Stokes with the value of hindsight said he would do the same thing* which is stupidity, moronic.
Gill tries to hit Bashir for 6 to get to 150 in the first Test and gets caught. Innings collapses and England are not batted out of the Test like they should have been. I think Bashir gets Pant 3 times out of 4
Pant tries to get Rahul to 100 before lunch and the same thing happens.
Hinges of battle and small margins.
What I would say is great cricket or at least excitement. We all won handsomely too!
Next Test and you have to have England as favourites so again we shall have opportunity need to be prudent. I went quite heavy against England and reached a satisfactory exit point. Not sure I want to go against England just yet. I think Bumfah play, I think they need a number 3 or a new opener and Rahul to 3. They need Kuldeep too. I dont think he plays though.
Gill tries to hit Bashir for 6 to get to 150 in the first Test and gets caught. Innings collapses and England are not batted out of the Test like they should have been. I think Bashir gets Pant 3 times out of 4
Pant tries to get Rahul to 100 before lunch and the same thing happens.
Hinges of battle and small margins.
What I would say is great cricket or at least excitement. We all won handsomely too!
Next Test and you have to have England as favourites so again we shall have opportunity need to be prudent. I went quite heavy against England and reached a satisfactory exit point. Not sure I want to go against England just yet. I think Bumfah play, I think they need a number 3 or a new opener and Rahul to 3. They need Kuldeep too. I dont think he plays though.
Decision already made not to get involved pre-game here WD , let's see what treats in-play has in store
I expect India to fight back. Atkinson for woakes makes England decent but Dixie isn’t Old Trafford a good batting pitch?
I tend to like to lay the team batting second Hayden. Will have a look at the pitch, weather,sides. Tbh it is so hard to call as stated already could be 3-0 to either side already and anything in between.
I tend to like to lay the team batting second Hayden. Will have a look at the pitch, weather,sides. Tbh it is so hard to call as stated already could be 3-0 to either side already and anything in between.
Draw is noticeably shorter
I’ve said it before where there’s rain there’s clouds!
I’ve said it before where there’s rain there’s clouds!
England 14 man squad for 4th Test
Ben Stokes (Durham) – Captain
Jofra Archer (Sussex)
Gus Atkinson (Surrey)
Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire)
Harry Brook (Yorkshire)
Brydon Carse (Durham)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Liam Dawson (Hampshire)
Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Joe Root (Yorkshire)
Jamie Smith (Surrey)
Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire)
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
Ben Stokes (Durham) – Captain
Jofra Archer (Sussex)
Gus Atkinson (Surrey)
Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire)
Harry Brook (Yorkshire)
Brydon Carse (Durham)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Liam Dawson (Hampshire)
Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Joe Root (Yorkshire)
Jamie Smith (Surrey)
Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire)
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
hunt - you are quite right, for some reason i had written down the series victory in 1977 as an away win, of course we were at home, d'oh !
WD - Old Trafford should be good for batting, but i think Zak would struggle to score runs on the M1 at the moment.
You seem to have an obsession with the 14 year old, something you want to tell us ?!
Liam Dawson is a slightly strange pick in as much as he was taking a lot more wickets last year than this. Leach i believe is centrally contracted but gets overlooked again, they certainly are wasting some money on these contracts, Archer earnt several million i believe during his enforced absence.
WD - Old Trafford should be good for batting, but i think Zak would struggle to score runs on the M1 at the moment.
You seem to have an obsession with the 14 year old, something you want to tell us ?!
Liam Dawson is a slightly strange pick in as much as he was taking a lot more wickets last year than this. Leach i believe is centrally contracted but gets overlooked again, they certainly are wasting some money on these contracts, Archer earnt several million i believe during his enforced absence.
Dixie,
You are right I currently have an unhealthy obsession with a 14 yo!
The first time I had these feelings were when I saw a young Sanju Samson then I saw the young Rishabh Pant and I saw the future!
I had similar feelings for young Jaiswal and look at what he has done.
Now this kid Vaibhav Suryavanshi remember his name
I have seen him bat. He has absolute contempt for any bowling he faces and is blatting sixes for fun. This kid is good enough to play Test cricket now!
Vaibhav Suryavanshi IPL factfile
- Vaibhav Suryavanshi, aged just 14, became the youngest ever centurion in men's T20 cricket when he cracked 101 off 38 balls for Rajasthan Royals (RR) against Gujarat Titans in Jaipur in IPL 2025. His hundred, which came off 35 deliveries, was the second-fastest in IPL history, as he piled up plenty of records during his stunning knock.
- Suryavanshi had made his IPL debut earlier in the season against Lucknow Super Giants when an injury ruled RR captain Sanju Samson out. On debut, Suryavanshi hit his first ball, off Shardul Thakur, for six on his way to an innings of 34 from 20 balls.
- He made history at the IPL 2025 auction when, at 13 years old, he became the youngest to earn an IPL deal. It was RR who bagged him for INR 1.1 crore.
- By then, he had already represented India Under-19, for whom he had cracked a 58-ball century in a four-day game against Australia Under-19. He was also part of the side which reached the final of the ACC Under-19 Asia Cup in 2024, where he scored 176 runs at an average of 44.
- Suryavanshi also has a triple-century to his name - an unbeaten 332 - in the Randhir Verma Tournament, an U-19 competition in Bihar.
You are right I currently have an unhealthy obsession with a 14 yo!
The first time I had these feelings were when I saw a young Sanju Samson then I saw the young Rishabh Pant and I saw the future!
I had similar feelings for young Jaiswal and look at what he has done.
Now this kid Vaibhav Suryavanshi remember his name
I have seen him bat. He has absolute contempt for any bowling he faces and is blatting sixes for fun. This kid is good enough to play Test cricket now!
Vaibhav Suryavanshi IPL factfile
- Vaibhav Suryavanshi, aged just 14, became the youngest ever centurion in men's T20 cricket when he cracked 101 off 38 balls for Rajasthan Royals (RR) against Gujarat Titans in Jaipur in IPL 2025. His hundred, which came off 35 deliveries, was the second-fastest in IPL history, as he piled up plenty of records during his stunning knock.
- Suryavanshi had made his IPL debut earlier in the season against Lucknow Super Giants when an injury ruled RR captain Sanju Samson out. On debut, Suryavanshi hit his first ball, off Shardul Thakur, for six on his way to an innings of 34 from 20 balls.
- He made history at the IPL 2025 auction when, at 13 years old, he became the youngest to earn an IPL deal. It was RR who bagged him for INR 1.1 crore.
- By then, he had already represented India Under-19, for whom he had cracked a 58-ball century in a four-day game against Australia Under-19. He was also part of the side which reached the final of the ACC Under-19 Asia Cup in 2024, where he scored 176 runs at an average of 44.
- Suryavanshi also has a triple-century to his name - an unbeaten 332 - in the Randhir Verma Tournament, an U-19 competition in Bihar.
"An unhealthy obsession with a 14yo" - well you can take the boy out of Medway but....... !
Joking apart this lad does appear to be a remarkable talent, hopefully he won't self destruct like some before him. Privthi Shaw springs to mind, another prodigy who scored a remarkable 546 in an Indian schools tournament having just turned 14 in 2013 and then kept breaking records before scoring a ton on his test debut at the age of 18. Then things started going downhill, bit of a loss of form, falling in with the wrong crowd, doping ban, family issues etc. He played for Northants in the one day cup a couple of years back and hit an astonishing 244 in one game followed by another ton before suffering a knee injury. He's still only 25 so hopefully will have time to get back to his best.
Joking apart this lad does appear to be a remarkable talent, hopefully he won't self destruct like some before him. Privthi Shaw springs to mind, another prodigy who scored a remarkable 546 in an Indian schools tournament having just turned 14 in 2013 and then kept breaking records before scoring a ton on his test debut at the age of 18. Then things started going downhill, bit of a loss of form, falling in with the wrong crowd, doping ban, family issues etc. He played for Northants in the one day cup a couple of years back and hit an astonishing 244 in one game followed by another ton before suffering a knee injury. He's still only 25 so hopefully will have time to get back to his best.
Yes Prithvi Shaw was ashley the Captain in the U19 side which Shubman Gill played in. Gill was always class and Shaw a bit of a slugger.
What excites my @bout this Suryavanshi kid is he can play all the shots. He is contemptuous of bowling, arrogant to the point of conceit and they will find a way to do him in Test cricket but if he reins it in like Jaiswal he is going to be awesome.
Personally I am stupidly enough to throw him in at Old Trafford and move Rahul down to 3 because that is where the weakness is.
What excites my @bout this Suryavanshi kid is he can play all the shots. He is contemptuous of bowling, arrogant to the point of conceit and they will find a way to do him in Test cricket but if he reins it in like Jaiswal he is going to be awesome.
Personally I am stupidly enough to throw him in at Old Trafford and move Rahul down to 3 because that is where the weakness is.
DixieDean; re Norman Gifford. We didn't have BBC2 at home until I left school in 1975 so I used to go down to my uncle's every sunday to watch the cricket : Laker, Arlott and West. The match would have been late 60s or early 70's. I wouldn't swear it was Gifford and I may well have seen Langford's effort. The ESPN article seems to confirm that !
It could be TC, although i'm not sure if Brian's feat was televised, i will try and find out.
Had to smile at your recollection of watching the JPL on BBC2, i had to go round my aunties (with my scorebook) as our tv didn't get the channel either but hers did !
She let me watch the cricket all afternoon for a couple of seasons and gave me my tea even though she had no interest in the game.
Happy and simpler times.
Had to smile at your recollection of watching the JPL on BBC2, i had to go round my aunties (with my scorebook) as our tv didn't get the channel either but hers did !
She let me watch the cricket all afternoon for a couple of seasons and gave me my tea even though she had no interest in the game.
Happy and simpler times.
I have just checked out the records TC, Brian Langford's record was set on 27th July 1969 playing for Somerset against Essex at Yeovil.
On that day BBC2 showed Surrey v Yorkshire at The Oval, Surrey scored 200 and restricted Yorkshire to 158 in reply.
On that day BBC2 showed Surrey v Yorkshire at The Oval, Surrey scored 200 and restricted Yorkshire to 158 in reply.
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