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sageform
16 Jun 23 11:56
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Predictable start with England trying to score quickly and Aus. having a few boundary fielders to reduce the fours. Honours even so far. Lyons looking dangerous.
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Report SontaranStratagem July 7, 2023 5:07 PM BST
Let them see the series out in empty stadiums simple really

An utter joke that deserves the embarrassment of empty stadiums
Report SontaranStratagem July 7, 2023 5:09 PM BST
Can't we just forfeit the last two tests ?

It pi33es me off they played the moral game and then produce this pathetic cowardly performance
Report SontaranStratagem July 7, 2023 5:11 PM BST
There's no point busting a gut Mr Wood, even if you leave them needing 250 they won't get near it so fook em mate
Report cricketnut2 July 7, 2023 7:41 PM BST
Only Stokes capable currently of handling high quality bowling.
Report brain dead jockeys July 7, 2023 9:32 PM BST
must be expecting some rain interruptions considering the draw is only 6/1
Report Whisperingdeath July 8, 2023 1:38 AM BST
But harsh Sonts

Quite an even balance Bettye teams although they have the better bowlers, better batters, better catchers and better tic tac’s

I think the weather has evened things up a bit, they have generally had the worst of it.

I love this Stokes guy but someone somewhere has to be the adult in the room. The side is unbalanced and we need a wicket keeper. Some of the select and combinations have been lamentable.

Whilst I deplore the ground and pound arroyos Strauss and Cook, there is a time and a place. We have not ground the Aussies down and that has cost us.
Report Whisperingdeath July 8, 2023 1:39 AM BST
Quite an even balance between the teams
Report LoyalHoncho July 8, 2023 12:41 PM BST
Stokes is great to watch and a terrific player but he needs to change gear now and again.  It;s like going all-in at the poker, all of the time.  There;s always the "once" coming when you go out.  Half an hour of Alf Tupper then an hour of Boycott would work so much better.  In my view.
Report Whisperingdeath July 8, 2023 3:17 PM BST
I think he has an incredible grasp of what to do and when that is why it is all the more galling the way he got out at Lords. He was literally alone and adrift and knew he had to get the runs himself. Imho he made a mistake and after an hour and a half should have trusted Broad. The pressure of conversing 2 or 3 singles an over builds into a torrent.

The thing J have with Stokes is he is not prepared to concede mistakes now that might be a necessary quality of leadership or sporting genius but it does not wash with me. If you lose a match and say you would not have changed a thing is stupid. I can understand the need to not admit mistakes in public but do not try and pull the wool over my eyes.

The wicket keeping situation is grave. Johnny is not as bad as most have said. He has been half decent in the past but this series he had been sub club, not just poor but a liability that may have cost England a chance if regaining The Ashes.

The problem is really how do you balance a team that needs 4 seamers and a spinner if Stokes cannot bowl. I understand the locker is bare but I think selections have also contributed and this has not been acknowledged. Robinson should never have played this Test.

Contrary to opinion again I think this series has been gripping. Aus are by far the better team with better bowlers, batsman, wicket keeper and catchers and yet England could and perhaps be 2 zip up with the prospect of securing The Ashes on Monday. Apart from having the best of the weather I cannot fathom how!
Report elisjohn July 8, 2023 4:12 PM BST
alistair cook rates stokes ahead of beefy( but admits didnt really see botham ),
Report Whisperingdeath July 8, 2023 5:10 PM BST
No way!

Botham was unbelievable!

What Stokes has done with the bat to win things and recently not to have been nothing short of genius. Cricket is Art and the artist Stokes is up there at times with Michelangelo.

I haven’t got time to go into it now but it would make a great thread.
Report Whisperingdeath July 8, 2023 5:11 PM BST
Botham for me
Report Aptdemon July 8, 2023 5:15 PM BST
I haven’t got time to go into it now but it would make a great thread.

I, for one, would enjoy this thread.
Report Aptdemon July 8, 2023 5:22 PM BST
They should be pitching it up, for the most part, here.

If they're determined not to, Wood ought to be the one aiming at Carey and Head.

They might be keeping Wood fresh for a go at another tail-end mop up, if they get the chance.
Report Aptdemon July 8, 2023 5:24 PM BST
Either way, gotta make the most of this.

Not dissimilar to the period that Australia nicked off our openers under the clouds in the first Test.
Report Aptdemon July 8, 2023 5:26 PM BST
Maybe they just don't want to dismiss them too quickly, so they can avoid Starc and Cummins in this DevilCrazy
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2023 5:28 PM BST
Can't be chasing more than 200 on this wicket

250 we're beat in my opinion

180 ish wed have a shot
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2023 5:30 PM BST
Get them out and get just stop oil to throw jigsaw pieces on the wicket... Delay the game until tomorrow morning
Report Aptdemon July 8, 2023 5:35 PM BST
Bairstow knocked these off in
Report SlippyBlue July 8, 2023 5:36 PM BST
You would like to think we'll take care of this match from here.
Report Aptdemon July 8, 2023 5:36 PM BST
...under 20 overs last Summer Silly
Report Aptdemon July 8, 2023 5:38 PM BST
Whatever happens from here (and I'd rather take Aus at 2/1 than lay it)...

It would be remarkable if we found ourselves 0-3 after the situations we've had in each of the matches.
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2023 5:39 PM BST
This is England though slippy Tongue Out

165/6 when that went down and I'm still wishing we had them 60 runs less than that Crazy
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2023 5:44 PM BST
Who can forget us chasing 142 vs Pakistan in 2012 and getting spun out for 72 CrazyBlush
Report Aptdemon July 8, 2023 6:02 PM BST
Jeeeeeez - JB even did his best to engineer a **** up with that catch Crazy

Love Brook's nonchalance.
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2023 6:33 PM BST
Nah all over

Not getting 250 on this

Utter filth after the 8th went down, fook knows what happens when the tail is in thinking wise
Report wondersobright July 8, 2023 6:56 PM BST
half an hour of england slogging tonight
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2023 7:11 PM BST
Had £45 on Australia at 3.1, we win ill take the loss but dont think we will sadly
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2023 7:13 PM BST
Theres no way its a draw surely?

No rain tomorrow so finishes tomorrow regardless
Report wondersobright July 8, 2023 7:14 PM BST
even with another full day washed out wouldn't be a draw imo
Report wondersobright July 8, 2023 7:34 PM BST
england 1/3 overnight 10 wickets in hand needing another 224
Report geordie1956 July 8, 2023 7:36 PM BST
well england have done well today .. its for them to lose it now but surely they won't
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2023 7:43 PM BST
Duckett pretty much a walking wicket but if he gets 30/40 theyll win obviously
Report nineteen points July 8, 2023 8:04 PM BST
as long as they realise they have 2 full days to get the runs not 20 overs.
Report brentford July 8, 2023 8:20 PM BST
a walking wicket that keeps coming off according to his stats though Sonts'...
Report johnnythebull July 8, 2023 8:33 PM BST
terrific session..think Head's a la Stokes' inns may prove pivotal

Eng incredibly skinny at 3s on

be handy if smn could replicate Butch's 2001 inns here

either gonna fall 30/40 runs short due to nearly ALL the batsmen's proclivity to keep playing balls that don't need playing resulting in giving wkts away

or,fingers crossed,if we can have some required test match discipline we could nick this
Report BULLET TOOTH TONY July 8, 2023 9:06 PM BST
Openers can get through the first hour tomorrow, England will be 1-20 to win.

They make 100 partnership and then Root and co will get them over the line as they will enter the play relaxed.

27/0 is a good start in five overs!!
Report kingscrewed July 8, 2023 9:18 PM BST
50 odd for 2 and Root to drop anchor and bat around him. If he goes cheap will need Stokes or Woakes to dig in.
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2023 11:55 PM BST
Ive just got this feeling we’ll be 50/4 with some stinkers for dismissals

Starc and Cummins will love these conditions as well
Report Whisperingdeath July 9, 2023 11:49 AM BST
Good start by England better than 30-3

See off the new ball. Keep taking singles. Bazball stylee!
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 12:14 PM BST
a decent start albeit not w/o luck so far
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 12:16 PM BST
morons
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 12:17 PM BST
2 full days to knock off 250
Report nineteen points July 9, 2023 12:27 PM BST
shots like that are why we struggle.brain dead.
Report comingupthehill July 9, 2023 12:35 PM BST
Looks like Aussies been at it again.

2 forward defensive shots,suddenly the ball had a snick of leather sticking out,penknife in pocket gate.
Swapped the ball

New ball swinging 40% more than old ball.

The newer balls that replace damaged balls are always harder have they ve not been used,are not warm.

Very lucky to get a rip in the leather,even though the ball never left the crease.
Report BULLET TOOTH TONY July 9, 2023 1:02 PM BST
Stokes with no pressure Surprised
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 2:18 PM BST
great shot ginger moron
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 2:19 PM BST
2 full days to knock off 250...and they're trying to do it in 2 sessions pure comedy
Report BULLET TOOTH TONY July 9, 2023 2:20 PM BST
Bairstow has had a mare of ashes series
Report Whisperingdeath July 9, 2023 2:20 PM BST
It’s the way I playCryq
Report sageform July 9, 2023 2:20 PM BST
I am speechless. All they need is 2 an over. Just push straight balls past the bowler for singles and leave the high ones, wide ones and leg side ones ALONE.
Report BULLET TOOTH TONY July 9, 2023 2:21 PM BST
How are England favourites
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 2:22 PM BST

Jul 9, 2023 -- 2:20PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


It’s the way I playq


that old chestnut

Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 2:22 PM BST
I play with zero patience & bad technique, suck it up
Report BULLET TOOTH TONY July 9, 2023 2:23 PM BST
Next it will be “they can’t play under pressure”
Report SlippyBlue July 9, 2023 2:31 PM BST
This is very ugly to watch.
Report nineteen points July 9, 2023 2:59 PM BST
if we cant chase the wide ones down the leg or outside off we can always whack the short one to one of the 3 waiting fielders on the boundary.just waiting for the calamity run out,its on its way.
Report Whisperingdeath July 9, 2023 3:10 PM BST
I do t think so Slippy

I think it is engrossing. Excellent thought process by these two batters and a Bazball has been effective as Cummins has not bowled a possible trump in Murphy through fear. Big mistake not trying him before lunch.

This is what Stokes should have done in the last Test with Broad when Aus changed tic tacs.

Good cricket from England, particularly restoring a brooks to 5
Report johnnythebull July 9, 2023 3:12 PM BST
1.12..dunno about that..Oz still not out of this with a cpl of wkts

Brook has ridden his luck as has Woakes but absolutely invaluable p'ship
get it down to 20 0dd with these 2 still in

even this lot couldn't fk up from there,could they?
30r 4 of these so called batters shouldn't be donning an Eng shirt again

gripping stuff

no finer sport or drama than a well matched ,tense test match
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:13 PM BST
100% jtb
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:13 PM BST
1st 50 partnership
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:22 PM BST
pmsl idiot
Report johnnythebull July 9, 2023 3:23 PM BST
great knock,hopefully a match winning one, but dude u shouldn't be getting out like that
Report Whisperingdeath July 9, 2023 3:24 PM BST
It’s time for Broady!

Well played Brooks!

Again good move to let Wood have a thrash first but I hope he has a little look first
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:25 PM BST
played well but top players of the past made sure they were there at the end, not give it away
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:29 PM BST
666666666666666
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:29 PM BST
2 hits now haha
Report johnnythebull July 9, 2023 3:31 PM BST
now only 1 5/6th hitsWink
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:35 PM BST
haha
Report johnnythebull July 9, 2023 3:36 PM BST
wondersobright 09 Jul 23 15:25 
played well but top players of the past made sure they were there at the end, not give it away

technically correct wonders but we can cut him a bit of slack

not only have Woakes & Wood bowled well but looks like we have found our new opening p'ship as wellGrin

what Woakes has done is fully apply himself unlike the bloated ginger b4 him
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:38 PM BST
Grin
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:38 PM BST
the ashes are up for grabs
Report SlippyBlue July 9, 2023 3:39 PM BST
Another enjoyable and enthralling test match.

We should be 2-1 up though.
Report wondersobright July 9, 2023 3:39 PM BST
superb sport fair play
Report johnnythebull July 9, 2023 3:41 PM BST
i have been somewhat critical of McC but misread his modus pensandi
obviously a boxing purist employing the ALI/Foreman rope-a-dope
deliberately lose the 1st 2 tests only to come storming back to win the ensuing 3
to make an Ashes victory all the more sweet!
Report Whisperingdeath July 9, 2023 3:42 PM BST
Yup

That is why I love this game.

Much better from England. Bazball certainly did for Cummins, very negative fields,. Gave far too many singles through fear of conceding 4’s
Report Whisperingdeath July 9, 2023 3:43 PM BST
Modus pensandiLaugh!

I like that. Fat fingers!
Report SontaranStratagem July 9, 2023 5:14 PM BST
I'll take the bet loss

Fair play we finally got one done no white wash at least

I could have greened but not much as I doubt the Aussies went major short
Report SontaranStratagem July 9, 2023 5:23 PM BST
Time to put Root in as WK in my opinion, just to get Bairstow off it
Report SontaranStratagem July 9, 2023 5:25 PM BST
Also I doubt Old Trafford will be as lively wicket wise?

Need to get Anderson back in but who to drop?

Might be Broads turn to sit out
Report nineteen points July 9, 2023 6:21 PM BST
tongue for robinson?
Report SontaranStratagem July 9, 2023 6:45 PM BST
Aye

I dont rate Robinson hes so slow its painful

80mph he was bowling at in that second test, medium pace rubbish
Report barstool July 9, 2023 7:27 PM BST
Tongue and Anderson in Robinson and Broad out would be my take. They might recall Livingstone to bat at 3 but I would stick Root there.

Great match and next two at OT and The Oval will be too.

Only downer is the price of tickets, looked to get a couple for a day at Manchester a few weeks ago, looking at north of £500/pair. No idea what face value is but not paying those rip off prices.
Report nineteen points July 9, 2023 8:12 PM BST
cant see broad being dropped.foakes for bairstow? or give bairstow one more chance?.head looks gone to me
Report elisjohn July 9, 2023 10:02 PM BST
only thing i can see tickets wise is approx 1200 each with hospitality  first 4 days, but premium tickets at £125 for day 5
Report mafeking July 9, 2023 11:34 PM BST
beyond obvious that foakes should be recalled and bairstow go back to just batting. really doesn't matter who opens in place of crawley. they aint gonna do much worse

take most of our catches and still every chance we can turn this around. oz heavily reliant on cummins and starc. their 2nd string bowling is very popgun at the moment
Report nineteen points July 10, 2023 7:22 AM BST
the conundrum is,you want a proper keeper in so foulkes goes in.then do you drop the spinner,bairstow,who is out of form but freeing him from keeping might rejuvenate him or drop an opener without having an opener to replace him.

totally agree about aussie bowlers
Report LoyalHoncho July 10, 2023 5:38 PM BST
Well doneEngland.  I honestly thought there was no way back from 0-2 but was proved wrong.  Not for the first time!  Grin.  This time Brook stepped up and saved the day.  The Aussies must be disappointed in their most experienced players after this one.  All still to play for.
Report LoyalHoncho July 10, 2023 5:41 PM BST
What a load of absolute johnnythebull.  Rope-a-dope?  Unbelievable tosh.
Report johnnythebull July 11, 2023 1:11 PM BST
LoyalHoncho 10 Jul 23 17:41 
What a load of absolute johnnythebull.  Rope-a-dope?  Unbelievable tosh.

yet another clueless,humourless troll pops up from the fetid depths of the BF forum..note to Rentokil..you ain't doing your job properly,innit!Grin
Report SontaranStratagem July 12, 2023 1:12 AM BST
Unchanged

A bit shocked by that as I thought Anderson would defiantly come back in for Woakes

Wood had to play as he has venom in his bowling and looks to have rattled a few Aussie batsmen
Report nineteen points July 12, 2023 8:39 AM BST
i think its the squad of 14 thats unchanged not the starting 11.still a poor decision imo.leaves iron palms behind the sticks and the choice of anderson,tongue or robinson as the bowler with broad,wood and woakes.cant see stokes bowling.
Report barstool July 12, 2023 6:29 PM BST
Tongue or Anderson will come in for Robinson, who surely they cannot risk. Anderson has the skill and home ground, Tongue as the extra zip.
Report LoyalHoncho July 12, 2023 6:29 PM BST
I've read it all now.  Rope-A-Dope.  Unbelievable drivel.
Report sageform July 12, 2023 7:19 PM BST
Crazy play again from the England women. The need 4 an over so they keep hitting it in the air! I hope they still win but the coaches need the sack unless the players ignored instructions.
Report dustybin July 12, 2023 7:25 PM BST
Christ
About as lively as a morgue
Is this supposedly an advert for the women’s game?

You’d think there was nobody in the ground
Report sageform July 12, 2023 7:31 PM BST
It is too tense to breath. at least Kate Cross kept the ball on the ground and was rewarded with two boundaries. Absolutely no excuse for deliberately hitting the ball in the air since the 20th
over. Unless you hit it for 6 of course. Well done Captain.
Report sageform July 12, 2023 7:38 PM BST
Insane chance to take by Cross but got away with it. surely they can get 5 now.
Report sageform July 12, 2023 7:40 PM BST
along the ground that time. best batter in the team apart from Capsey!
Report nineteen points July 12, 2023 7:40 PM BST
has anderson not got a poor test record at old trafford? or is it other way on?
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