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sageform
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Starting to look like a very easy pitch to bat on. I have had a small interest in the draw already.
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Report sageform June 10, 2022 12:51 PM BST
oops, 2 wickets in 2 balls. Didn't see that coming.
Report Whisperingdeath June 10, 2022 1:57 PM BST
Gough called it right. I think TV commentators got it wrong ( I think ). Good toss to lose. Looks a belter of a pitch and we did not bowl well today. Lucky to get the 2 wickets to keep us in it.

Bowling full is smart but not wide. That first Broad over after lunch was terrible.
Report Whisperingdeath June 10, 2022 1:59 PM BST
And that dropped catch by Crawley demonstrates where Broad should be bowling
Report Whisperingdeath June 10, 2022 3:31 PM BST
Thinking about a cheeky back of Ingerlund here.
Report Whisperingdeath June 10, 2022 3:42 PM BST
England back territory rather

Anyone from the area?

Does it swing more after tea?

Does the pitch bat better days 2 and 3?
Report sageform June 10, 2022 4:59 PM BST
Draw finally below what it was after 10 overs! I know 5 days with no rain delays is a long time but at this rate there will only be 85 overs each day. Review coming!
Report sageform June 10, 2022 5:00 PM BST
NZ got away with one there.
Report sageform June 10, 2022 5:06 PM BST
Still not sure why NZ are so short after the last game and without Williamson. England could just as easily get 500 on this pitch.
Report johnnythebull June 10, 2022 5:20 PM BST
Williamson no loss,bang out of form
Eng COULD get 500 but it'll take 2 inns
Report sageform June 10, 2022 5:43 PM BST
England waiting for new ball now.
Report Whisperingdeath June 10, 2022 10:07 PM BST
I think the pitch is wearing. England didn’t bowl well but gif some good wickets. NZ batted well but got and 4 catches were dropped. NZ in box seat.
Report Timber June 11, 2022 11:03 AM BST
Nice not to have any women commentators in this series
Butch is a top commentator, surprised he doesn't get more tests

Poor old Broady's pub has burnt down nudge nudge wink winkWink
Report johnnythebull June 11, 2022 11:05 AM BST
u've got that Mel Jones dog..she gets right on my t1ts
Report Timber June 11, 2022 11:07 AM BST
I refer the gentleman to my previous commentLaugh
Report Timber June 11, 2022 11:07 AM BST
She's got a deeper voice than James Earl Jones
Report Timber June 11, 2022 11:29 AM BST
Duke balls made in Pakistan nowCry
I had images of a bald old white man stitching the balls by hand
Report johnnythebull June 11, 2022 12:26 PM BST
Kiwis need to press on this last 1/2 hr b4 lunch,declare,bowl Eng out twice by 2moro eve,nice inns win,job's a goodun and keep KW out of the side
Report sageform June 11, 2022 12:35 PM BST
Draw still shortening fast.
Report johnnythebull June 11, 2022 1:22 PM BST
this SHOULD be a nailed on draw
i've been laying it purely on the basis that u can't trust the Eng batters
but ffs it's a runway
Report Timber June 11, 2022 2:07 PM BST
This is what they call a chairman's wicket
Report Whisperingdeath June 12, 2022 12:17 PM BST
England still need a top 3.

I am sure Kees is a decent cricketer band score runs on wickets like this but he is not equipped to do well at this level. Planting your feet and swinging the bat might work at county level but not against the best and he will continue to be found out against decent bowlers.

CrWkey and particularly Pope have it but again Crawley needs to tighten up. Pope will continue to get out if he plays across straight balls. He is though looking good in this pitch. Could be a good player if he gets some good coaching or better still advice.
Report lmfao June 12, 2022 5:04 PM BST
england 4.7 at 5pm day 3 = layed - cant see it even with Stokes enjoying himself.... time will tell......
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2022 6:13 PM BST
Already seeing a difference with Stokes captain

More fight in them already? Root is to nice with the team and the opposition, Stokes strikes me as someone who has that “run through brick walls for him” vibe.
Report sageform June 12, 2022 6:16 PM BST
Still on the draw but a bit surprised that it has not really shortened up since tea. Back out to 1.5 now. Anyone really see a winner and if so who? If England declare when ahead (and why would they) NZ need to score 350 plus tomorrow in 5 hours and then hope to bowl England out again. England are one up so why would they take any risks? Only the first 20 overs of each new ball seem to pose any threat to batters.
Report Fo'B June 13, 2022 9:50 AM BST
Ordinarily yes you'd think why wouldn't England just bat on, but we're in the era of McCullum the Brave now :) If he sent his captain out swinging yesterday when they were still over 200 behind, maybe they'll bat up to 550 or let Rooty get 200, then declare. Then the ball's in the Kiwi's court, sure they could smash 350 but if England hold some catches they could be bowled out for 250. We've seen hardly any variable bounce, Kiwis have no frontline spinner and Jamieson is waiting on an MRI scan. Who knows whether the series result will even come into the reckoning? England can't make it into the final of the test championship so they may consider this series a free hit.
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 10:31 AM BST
Can’t see a declaration! England are  still 80 behind. Let’s get there first! Furthermore why would you give NZ a sniff of winning! Bat, bat and bat. No rush. Bat all day if you can. Bat tomorrow morning if you still gave wickets in hand and hood the pitch will deteriorate. No brained!
Report Fo'B June 13, 2022 11:08 AM BST
Agreed, bat on and they can't lose. The possibility of something funky is keeping people from lumping on the draw maybe and getting stung.
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 11:16 AM BST
Prices seem a little crazy. NZ could still win this and they are over 30!
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 11:19 AM BST
These two are batting really well! Boule is getting swing from thd hand from a very old ball! Anything could happen here. I have NZ Green so not going to punt this any further but I would like to see how a new batsman might fare!
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 11:26 AM BST
Most unfortunate

Would loved to have seen England put NZ under the pump. I hope the rest come out swinging
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 11:27 AM BST
Went out to 48!
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 11:42 AM BST
Great catch NZ back in to 16
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 12:29 PM BST
Draw backers in trouble here!

I suggest the ball might swing after the lawyer comes off. Nice cloud cover and if the sun comes out Leach may play his part.

England could also lose this just as easily.

Pitch is dtill good enough to see out a draw so J shall green out on all three results and maybe a bucket on the ThaiLaugh
Report Aptdemon June 13, 2022 12:36 PM BST
Where did six inches of seam movement suddenly appear from? Scared
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 12:43 PM BST
Cloud, lights, the right ball, wearing wicket, rest for the old guys all combine and that’s cricket for you!
Report Jimbob1 June 13, 2022 2:29 PM BST
Market doesn't seem to be giving NZ much credit for their runs
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 4:06 PM BST
Agreed. 250 infron and they have a chance of winning it!

Ole!

Potts!
Report jmdc June 13, 2022 5:48 PM BST
Give the Abo a break Timber, she is a very knowledgeable woman.
Report johnnythebull June 13, 2022 6:13 PM BST
how do you turn a runway(and make no bones about it ..it is nothing but a runway) into what appears a quasi minefield?

you choke your pathetic Kiwi ar ses off.
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 6:19 PM BST
Kwality run out!

That is some choke!

Mind you cobber J don’t think your gun is over. You might get even more of a laugh eating England bat. Odds for 40-4 The Ingerland? zIngerland?
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 6:20 PM BST
Can you imagine the reaction if Pakistan were battingLaughp
Report sageform June 13, 2022 6:22 PM BST
Have the Indian bookmakers had a hand in this! I have rarely seen a team collapse like this despite very routine bowling.
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 6:27 PM BST
NZ have still got a good chance of winning this!

But if yoh have backed the draw I fully inderstyyiur frustration and anger!

I backed England when NZ were 4 down in thd first innings. Thd ball was wobbling a little and then it gets deposited in some woman’s cider…. Result 553!

I am looking to have a nice little 3 way green now. Need to check if I have the Thai as wellBlush
Report johnnythebull June 13, 2022 6:30 PM BST
unless these last 3 wkts add some 50 odd runs and take time doing it which would take the run chase almost out of the equation (save a prolonged T20 assault)

it is set up for a truly absorbing day 2moro with all 3 results possible

can Eng do a Lords victory and if not can they stave off defeat by eking out a draw?
Report Whisperingdeath June 13, 2022 7:28 PM BST
England will go for a win tomorrow. It should be a great days cricket. Pitch still looks fairly decent. Small boundaries and fast outfield. England do need the 3 wickets quickly. NZ die. The talk bowler who would be dangerous in the mast day against a side batting to win.
Report SontaranStratagem June 13, 2022 8:35 PM BST
England chasing another unlikely win

This is what happens when you have an attack minded coach and captain

Root would have defended and set a awful field today
Report Guernsey Sunbed June 13, 2022 9:01 PM BST
New ball due in 11 overs. England should be batting before lunch and I feel sure the coach/captain will instruct the team to go for the win.

England chasing 280 -300 in 70 overs ?

Wev'e got a great days cricket ahead.
Report johnnythebull June 14, 2022 10:30 AM BST
my crystal ball tells me Albion's crash and burn policy will result in the former

they will look like getting there and then one major wkt will beget others as in the pathetic collapse in the 1st inns

both teams poor 2nd inns batting will ensure a million to one on draw will likely not eventuate
Report sageform June 14, 2022 11:32 AM BST
Still happy with my draw bet from day 1 though I did lay it off to leave a small profit on any outcome. The new ball will decide it in the next hour.
Report sageform June 14, 2022 11:48 AM BST
Not when NZ tail swipe at every bouncer like that! What are they thinking? Hold up an end and let Mitchell get another 20.
Report johnnythebull June 14, 2022 11:50 AM BST
braindead 'batting' from the Kiwi bottlers
Report sageform June 14, 2022 11:56 AM BST
Well done Mitchell. 274 not a gimme for England.
Report sageform June 14, 2022 12:01 PM BST
And well done Boult! Could NZ win after all? If England start a rash chase they might be in trouble.
Report johnnythebull June 14, 2022 12:07 PM BST
he likes a thrash does our Trent

Kiwis winning is probably the likeliest of the outcomes in as much as no test side seems capable de nos jours of batting as opposed to thrashing in order to draw a match..all too prone to collapsing under pressure and out of their comfort zones
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 12:17 PM BST
Too hard to call. Crawley gets going and the pressure is on. Crawley gets out and the pressure is on. Could end as a damp squib but it is great viewing atm!
Report sageform June 14, 2022 12:33 PM BST
Crawley waste of space. They need Pope and Root to settle down and score at a sensible rate and hope they can go for it after tea.
Report sageform June 14, 2022 12:42 PM BST
Seem to have given Lees the chance to score big and fast to see if they can get to a winning position.
Report Jimbob1 June 14, 2022 1:32 PM BST
Do we get all of the 63 overs in ?

Lunch to tea
Day 1 (Eng bowling)  25 overs
Day 2 Rain affected 13.33 overs
Day 3 NZ bowling 28 overs
Day 4 Eng bowling 28 overs
Tea to close
Day 1 Eng bowling 36 overs
Day 2 42.66 overs (Early tea due to rain)
Day 3 32 overs, NZ bowling
Day 4 32 overs, Eng bowling

Across both sessions
Day 1: 61 (Eng)
Day 2: 56 (NZ, rain)
Day 3: 60 NZ
Day 4: 60 Eng

We've got 63 overs left and lunch was taken at 1:04.

Is there more time on the final day or some such ?
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 1:59 PM BST
Probably not they will slow it down if they are losing. 15 overs in the last hour.
Report Jimbob1 June 14, 2022 2:16 PM BST
Or England might have some long chats in the middle at this rate :D
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 2:47 PM BST
The ball will go soft soon. I think Bstard will go after Bracewell. I certainly hope he does. There is still time for England as Boult and Henry need a rest. It should be exciting and keep all results open. I certainly hope England go after the debutant.
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 3:00 PM BST
Here we go

Wild odds fluctuation. If you can buy high sell low you can make some good money!

Glad lees is out! Stokes and Bstard can manoeuvre the ball around the pitch to keep the game a live but not much batting left after these two. I think the draw is likely now so hope Bracewell gets into the action as I have green on England and NZ to transfer. Unlikely |England price will move to satisfactory levels so my money is resting on more wickets to create doubt.
Report sageform June 14, 2022 3:22 PM BST
Surprised that the draw is still just odds on. I would make NZ favourite now but still sitting on the draw bets. What ever they say, surely England will prefer a draw to risking a loss?
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 3:29 PM BST
It says minimum 40 overs today so we could be facing a long session after tea. That will be tough on NZ.

Still think a draw is likely here and need to green soon. The temptation is to wait because these two are game changers. See of Boult here and England are also looking strong
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 3:40 PM BST
Ashley

Not sure if the draw is likely. Not much faith in the tail. Depends how long these two bat. they must make it through this over and to tea!
Report brentford June 14, 2022 3:41 PM BST
you can't lose overs on the final day bar bad light or rain, Jimbob.
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 3:45 PM BST
Light is good today. The days will be getting shorter in a couple of weeks!

Still no idea what is going to happen. Just cannot green out yet!
Report Jimbob1 June 14, 2022 3:56 PM BST
OK It says 38 overs left, but how many will there actually be. Does the "final hour" begin at 17:30 ?
You'd expect 35 overs if that was the case - not 38.
Report Fo'B June 14, 2022 4:01 PM BST
Yep have to bowl all the overs on the last day, so Kiwis can only really bowl wide outside the off stump if england get close.
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 4:10 PM BST
Had to clear the red. Now just going to let it ride I think and maybe a nicker on NZ should these two go nuts!
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 4:37 PM BST
Took a healthy green. can't beleive how easy it has been for these two but this is one helluva innings by Bstard.

Go on my son.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Mind you I love that Gilbert Jessop still is on the books!
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 4:38 PM BST
He should have gone for the record.

Glory and immortality all day long for me!

There is no me in team..........GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin oh yes there is!
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 4:54 PM BST
I think that goes down as an Adidas 3 stripe choke from the Kiwi's. I wonder if Suzie the waitress was at their hotel last night?

I cannot for the life of me understand why they would bowl short to Bstard to the short boundary? Always bowl top of off to him. He gets bowled so often and this is the 5th day. Madness from Black Cats.
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 4:57 PM BST
It is not even 5 o clock!

I thought we were on for a late one
Report SontaranStratagem June 14, 2022 5:57 PM BST
Im liking Stokes as captain Cool

All out thunder Tongue Out
Report johnnythebull June 14, 2022 6:01 PM BST
let's not get carried away here too much
good as that partnership between the 2 gingers was
are you seriously telling me it's smth that couldn't have been replicated on demand by Boycott and Tavare had it been required of them?Wink
and another thing i sincerely doubt we would've witnessed that blitzkrieg prior to the advent of T20
when he's on it JB is uber destructive
unbelievable r/r post tea even for a T20
another expert bout of rope-a-doping by Eng
btw that has to be one of the highest 1st inns total to lose a test from?!
just a runway
Report SontaranStratagem June 14, 2022 6:34 PM BST
Its good in that if it was Root and Silverback still in charge wed have tried to defend and been out for less than 150

Weve got attacking players so they need to be allowed to attack its their nature, telling them to defend will only lead to confusion and loose shots
Report Whisperingdeath June 14, 2022 6:45 PM BST
let's not get carried away here too much

Laugh I picked up on that too! Bring on the Aussies, India, whoever! erm no! We still need a top 3 and a fast bowler and a spinner and as exciting as Johnny was a batsmen who plays straight and averages more than 34. We also need an all rounder and I hope they try and get Moen in before we go to Pakistan. Sorry for Leach but he has no guile.

are you seriously telling me it's smth that couldn't have been replicated on demand by Boycott and Tavare had it been required of them?


Yes Johnny! we are telling you they could not! That was an exceptional knock from Bstard not helped by stupidity of trying to bounce him on a flat wicket with a short boundary and medium fast bowlers. I am sort of glad Gilbert Jessop still holds the record. Johnny is a nice lad and I wish him well but I am now glad he did not get the record.

btw that has to be one of the highest 1st inns total to lose a test from?!


6th highest!
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It wasn't a complete runway. There was a bit of wobble. I backed England when NZ were something like 227-4 I think hoping for a couple of quick wickets!. The ball was showing signs of swing until it landed in the cider! But good surface certainly for a Test Match!
Report johnnythebull June 14, 2022 7:29 PM BST
fair play to England..it was phenomenally sustained aggression but it was a belter to bat on,fast outfield,smallish ground and Boult aside(and even he came in for some stick) the bowling didn't really trouble the batsmen

what i would like to see proof of and this is true of basically all the top test sides,is,had the onslaught been stopped in its tracks by a cpl of quick wkts falling ,could the side have 'dug in' to attritionally save the game?

if they are capable of so doing it bodes well but remain to be convinced

it was an exhilirating game re runs scored but not enough in the pitch for the bowlers imho
Report SontaranStratagem June 15, 2022 3:00 AM BST
Oh for sure we aint beating the Aussies away quite yet Laugh

But under the old lot we were losing these tests last year, we collapsed like a deck of cards

Already seen improvement just need to build in it
Report alun2005 June 15, 2022 2:02 PM BST
Delighted to see that Root and Bairstow have risen magnificently above the appalling, ridiculous and totally unjustified slating that Yorkshire Cricket and Cricketers were subjected to last year by various chancers.
Report Whisperingdeath June 15, 2022 2:07 PM BST
This is a cricket thread alun,

Can't you take your filth to another forum,,,,please?
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