WEST INDIES V ENGLAND 1st TEST BRIDGETOWN 23\1

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Have you made an absolute killing on the draw? Haven't read posts so not sure if you've done your usual.

Jan 26, 2019 -- 8:52AM, Charlie wrote:

FSHave you made an absolute killing on the draw? Haven't read posts so not sure if you've done your usual.

I’ve done okay. Had a very good day 1 and start to day 2 then lost a lot of my green chasing the draw with England collapsing but stopped, which at the time looked sensible but would eventually have worked exceptionally well. Had a lot of lays of England when WI second innings fell apart, which turned out well and have done some minor work since. Have:

WI £2.2k green
Eng £11k green
Draw £6.3k red

Hmm, for some reason I expected you be to xxk green on the draw .

Jan 26, 2019 -- 9:00AM, Charlie wrote:

Hmm, for some reason I expected you be to xxk green on the draw .

I usually get comedy draw green in games where it goes to the moon but I didn’t this time, because I thought there was such little value and it felt like a game where there was every chance the draw just kept going out.

If something like this had happened in SA Pak I’d have potentially made a 5 figure amount out of it.

Yeah I saw that and that's why I thought, hoped(!), you may be in the same position.

Jan 26, 2019 -- 9:05AM, Charlie wrote:

Yeah I saw that and that's why I thought, hoped(!), you may be in the same position.

I got a bit fed up with throwing good money after bad, to be honest. You expect this kind of thing in NZ but not elsewhere, although occasional Caribbean wickets do die so...

I've never really understood why you do it but then one odds swing like this would have vindicated it. Often the case though.

Jan 26, 2019 -- 9:10AM, Charlie wrote:

I've never really understood why you do it but then one odds swing like this would have vindicated it. Often the case though.

Well it’s worked very well in NZ. Depends on the context but you very often get draw odds bouncing back down very quickly after a wicket and one decent partnership can justify the last few backs, let alone the one after the last wicket. Problems are judging where to set your lays and that a running collapse ruins you.

The bounce down is going on now. I did consider backing it at around 8.x but thought that another quick wicket when I'd backed England would screw it.

Out of my England back at 14. I like these little victories.

Burns living very dangerously well outside off stump.

My current position

£14 Green Windies
£143 Green Draw
£1058 Green England

Windies flag easily. those quicks will get disheartened soon.

this is getting a bit monotonous now
what do we want?..wkts.
what do we want?..wkts.
well,i do,anyhow.been laying the frigging run lines
c'mon Windies,get bowling.

Burns needs to drop down a gear. Far too loose.

ffs Windies just matched at 1.23

Eng 14..pipe smokers out in force again

juce..want 2 of ur wkts..one b4 lunch and another immediately upon resumption

dude played positively has to be said

Not so much a gate, more like double garage doors.

Jan 26, 2019 -- 9:58AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Another jucel wicket

So annoying - would have been good trading but for that. Feels like GSM now, barring a major early weather miracle. At least we get may a day off.

Doubly annoying is the WI win on this barely covers my loss on the SL game, which again would have potentially been great trading but for that last-ball wicket yesterday.

Need 100 runs a session despite a turgid over rate oh and to score 200 more than the biggest ever test chase. That’s an 18 shot, apparently. Should probably lay it more.

Got 16s.

gsm....nothing more to see here but wait YOU F*CKING BEAUTY!

Tried to be clever and trade it so got a back at 17 and not the second lay at 16, fully. Plays into my green anyway.

NO BALL TO SHANNON THE CANNON

No ball!

That offset the jucel wicket....I DESERVED that slice of luck.

Shannon aint the brightest!

Root is wildly out of nick

Root's disastrous visit to BB has messed him up, he should have been told you're not going.

Waiting for these fick commentators to say the pitch has come to life.

Seeing as it is so hard for the bowling-end umpire to watch for no-balls and then immediately have to re-focus and watch the wicket at the far end, and bearing in mind that the square leg umpire is largely redundant these days, why not put the square leg umpire square of the bowler's end to specifically watch for no balls?

Everything has changed here, the whole feel of the game. Eng on the anvil and Windies are hammering them hard.

Root said before the Test: it's not how many overs we bat, it's how many we score.

He's lost sight of the need to bat for 6 hours or more.

VV - he should have seen that one! Umpires are hat racks these days. No balls could all be done by the 3rd umpire.

Square leg umps refer every line decision anyway. May as well not have either of them.

one more wicket to get and its gsm

Not a number 3 not tight enough

Reprieve for Stokes.

have england given up on winning the game yet and playing for the draw?

I reckon you stand a better chance of drawing a game if you play with hope by playing to win.

If they continue this run rate or thereabouts they would be needing 300 tomorrow

Eng price is better value than draw.   Or should that be less worse value?

It's the rain threat that's messing the prices up.

Chase not good enough to bowl in English club cricket in 2015. Incredible turnaround.

(Appalling shot skipper. It's not a T20..)

little joe never has been,is not and never will be an Alpha male...couldn't captain the womens' team imho

Red thai mango curry, totally homemade....

Joe, if you play with half a bat you get half a shot. Don't be surprised if slip grabs it.

(Bayliss should be in the dock for this but he'll escape with a soft interview or 5)

Jos doesn't force it but his strike rate already good, what a talent.

what the feck was that from Ali

Another jucel wicket....well done Moeen you utter bellend.

Why do so many English batsmen play at balls that even a Club player would leave? 

Time to leave this game, nothing more to see here.

can't believe the draw got matched at 3ss

Jan 26, 2019 -- 12:41PM, Puzzman wrote:

can't believe the draw got matched at 3ss

That was day 1

this has been quite funny

BRASS SECTION got it right playing Danny boy...............they have had their weakness exploited

que, changes...

Jan 26, 2019 -- 12:41PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Jan 26, 2019 --  6:41PM, Puzzman wrote:can't believe the draw got matched at 3ssThat was day 1

duh, what the lowest its been today? 5s?

exposed

Jan 26, 2019 -- 12:59PM, Puzzman wrote:

Jan 26, 2019 --  6:41PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:Jan 26, 2019 --  6:41PM, Puzzman wrote:can't believe the draw got matched at 3ssThat was day 1duh, what the lowest its been today? 5s?

8.4 or something.

Holder nearly made a ricket..should've batted longer as with 6 1/2 sessions England were always likely to get very adjacent to 600 + runs,innit!

nicked a few bob laying ENG 350,375,400 runs..little bit anxious when jos & ginge were scoring so freely but all good now

Root and Bayliss need to be grilled for this. They won't be!

It's actually very funny. Test cricketers who lose the plot. They talk 'no fear cricket' and lose by 400 runs! No idea how to defend, bat time, show some stubborness.

Root and Moeen fiddling it to slip was as bad it gets.

i'm struggling to find any correlation between Rashid and cricketing prowess..perhaps u guys can help me out

fair play to Windies..they have comprehensively mullered these overrated,entitled bell ends

130 odd/1 > 246 ao..it was ever thus..they're nothing but reliably capitulative in adversity!

'we're a far better team than we showed'..no u f*cking ain't u pathetic little wimp..ur a w anker and so are ur 'team'

I see a 3-0 rout coming!

What price England next game?  1.6?

I was hoping for a miracle here. And made some great trades today but was so greedy that I kept transferring the profits to Eng thinking they might have one crazy partnership. Didn't happen but still a decent win of 700 for me. The market was expecting a massive partnership too as Eng price kept coming back to 16s and 17s after wickets. In fact during the lunch break it fell from 27 to high teens for no reason.

There was a lot of money to be made on the runlines!

Jan 26, 2019 -- 1:01PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Jan 26, 2019 --  6:59PM, Puzzman wrote:Jan 26, 2019 --  6:41PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:Jan 26, 2019 --  6:41PM, Puzzman wrote:can't believe the draw got matched at 3ssThat was day 1duh, what the lowest its been today? 5s?8.4 or something.

I laid it at 6.2 last night and 5.6 today, I think.

Jan 26, 2019 -- 2:09PM, johnnythebull wrote:

'we're a far better team than we showed'..no u f*cking ain't u pathetic little wimp..ur a w anker and so are ur 'team'

Bit harsh. They were pretty awful, from selection on (Rashid, FFS, ahead of Broad) and the batting was shocking at times (although WI get a lot of credit for the bowling in the first innings especially. Still though, it’s one test and it’s not uncommon to get shellacked one game and win the next.

It was a lamentable performance. 8 wickets to a part time offie
Only had one bet ..... and it lost Had a few k on England at 25's. I did put a lay in at 6's but obviously we never got that far.
Could have been worse, could have had a lot on Eng at 1.5/1.6!!

Once Jimmy and Broad retire Eng will be absolutely fecked

So many jucel wickets in the last few days. I'll try and find my jucel wickets thread and add to them.

Jan 26, 2019 -- 4:50PM, jucel69 wrote:

Once Jimmy and Broad retire Eng will be absolutely fecked

We’ve largely retired Broad already, for some reason including on a pitch that would have suited him, to allow us to play a floaty left armer (okay, I like Curran but really, not that much) and a leggie who’s not even reliably any good on rank turners. Chris Woakes, dodgy away record though he has, has every right to be well miffed too. He’s a bloody good batsman too, as well as a fine bowler.

I didn’t watch the first innings (blink and you miss it) and mostly only saw bits today where England were batting well (I caught a bit of Root looking like a kid playing in an adult league against Gabriel bowling short), but I think we were a lot worse in the second than the first innings. Sometimes an attack will click and blow you away (this isn’t making excuses or saying they were good, because they aren’t good) but giving your wickets away to a decent part timer is a lot worse than being destroyed by some really good fast bowling on what was then a helpful pitch.

Down to my last 5k from 100k bank after Sydney test
Just been dissecting my p&l for the last 3 months.
I've made 85k on tests since Nov 1st, the losses in T20s and ODIs are biblical.
Didn't realise it was that much out of kilter. No huge losses chasing in any particular game, just lots of small losses.
If I lose this I will have to dig into my last rainy day money of 50k. After that I'd have to live on some fixed income and that will be mean a complete change of lifestyle .

Looks like I'm going to have to go tests only from now on.

whoa..juce..that's some serious dosh done
ur gonna have to get urself to the nearest wat and get blessed by the monks to ensure u get all the chok dee Buddha can bestow on u
u r gonna have to go cha cha and jai yen yen mak mak
chok dee,dude

Imperative you avoid that 50k.

Take small steps and think six month's ahead.

It's a test, a path you have walked before needs walking again.

You have the know how,which makes you very lucky indeed.

Stop eating and drinking like  there's no tomorrow and start getting exercise.

Train the body to train the mind.

Discipline can be a beautiful thing,embrace it..

Are you up for it....good....

Back to the drawing board juce.

Just stay away from the limited formats. I have only bet on one T20 in December. Can't remember which one I did before that. Done a couple ODIs too. But nothing more. Tests are goat.

I struggle with the hit and giggle stuff too. Limit myself to little bets to make £20 or less.

Better at Tests, especially when the draw remains in play for 3+ days.

juce - cut out the crack cocaine of one day stuff if you can...

As for Chase, he played club cricket in England in 2015. He was very poor with bat and ball. In fact he bowled largely in the nets.. His best figures were 2-14.

Within 6 months he was scoring a ton and taking 5 wickets on debut against India

He barely turned it yesterday!

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If only ...

10am and it’s pouring with rain in Barbados with thundery showers forecast all day.

Had
@englandcricket
held on yesterday could they have drawn the Test?

Utterly brainless from Bayliss, Ramps and Root.

The least they could do was take the game into Day 5. The way they set up that's not possible.

Jan 26, 2019 -- 7:03PM, jucel69 wrote:

Down to my last 5k from 100k bank after Sydney testJust been dissecting my p&l for the last 3 months.I've made 85k on tests since Nov 1st, the losses in T20s and ODIs are biblical.Didn't realise it was that much out of kilter. No huge losses chasing in any particular game, just lots of small losses.If I lose this I will have to dig into my last rainy day money of 50k. After that I'd have to live on some fixed income and that will be mean a complete change of lifestyle .Looks like I'm going to have to go tests only from now on.

Puts my £15k loss a couple of Mondays back and £10k today in context. I’ve not properly broken it down but I know that I’ve had an unusually bad run in tests, losing £15k total in the three SA Pak debacles (£8k of the 15 was that flat deck third test both sides collapsed on and the market knew it would happen, then they both scored heavily second innings just to rub it in once draw had died).  I’ve actually been really good in T20s in that time. My football betting is usually good for a fairly steady stream of small to moderate wins and the occasional big to massive loss, as hit me both on the Monday in question and twice today. Was looking like I’d rebuilt quite nicely until today too. It happens.

Have you got longer term break downs? We know you’re good at tests but it could be you’re actually good at limited overs too, just overstaking recently coinciding with an unlucky run. Happened to me during my one real horror run in my career. Like you it was get a grand plus on a position, watch it fall apart within the next 3 minutes, for market after market. I was good enough to come back, so you definitely are. I did cut my limited over stakes back, just in time to start winning.

Jan 26, 2019 -- 2:09PM, johnnythebull wrote:

'we're a far better team than we showed'..no u f*cking ain't u pathetic little wimp..ur a w anker and so are ur 'team'

Pusillanimous pu$$ies
Heads should roll for that second inns batting performance.
In the first innings England were bowled out, with the odd exception. The pitch did plenty etc etc, but that second inns with weather incoming for day 5 was a national sporting disgrace!

Jan 27, 2019 -- 6:07PM, jucel69 wrote:

Jan 26, 2019 --  8:09PM, johnnythebull wrote:'we're a far better team than we showed'..no u f*cking ain't u pathetic little wimp..ur a w anker and so are ur 'team'Pusillanimous pu$$iesHeads should roll for that second inns batting performance.In the first innings England were bowled out, with the odd exception. The pitch did plenty etc etc, but that second inns with weather incoming for day 5 was a national sporting disgrace!

It’s just modern test batting, where they feel the need to play low percentage attacking shots in a context where they should be primarily defensive. As I’d gone red on the draw that was good for me, although it’s obvious shafted me at other times.

had the fortune/misfortune to be one of the many 1000s of english people in bridgetown last week. got back this morning

had to a double take when i saw the name of rashid on the scoreboard. all the talk leading up to the game was a straight choice between broad and leach for the last spot and then suddenly rashid appears for way out left field. even they were having doubts about the selection the chairman of the WICB should have made up their mind. telegraphed it would help the taller bowlers by saying they were tired of the turgid pitches in the west indies in recent years and he wanted pitches with pace and bounce. basically saying broad's finished if he now england's 4th best seamer

it was obvious from very early on it was an horrific error to leave out broad. we were left with a seam attack of anderson and then   a 3rd and 4th seamer. when the idea of curran opening the bowling was first raised can't believe it wasn't laughed of court straight away. he's a batman who bowls a bit at the moment. 80 mph swingers might get you a few wickets in england but he's nowhere near up to taking the new ball in an away test match. we were at least 1 front line bowler short and maybe even 2. you can't keep picking rashid to bowl 10 overs in the 4th inns in the hope he might bowl the odd magic ball and do very little else in the rest of the game. if they really thought it was 2 spinner pitch then leach had to play anyway. both moeen and rashid offer up too many bad balls. captain has no control and it led to jimmy and stokes being overbowled. root has to take a lot of the blame. got the selection spot on in sri lanka but hopelessly wrong her

if broad had played west indies may not have sniffed 200 1st inns and it would have probably have been a different. as it turned the recent trend of the team batting first getting any sort of reasonable score on the board bossing the game. 300 first up these days wins the vast majority of games. teams batting 2nd seem to have very little stomach to fight back

odd to see quite so few bajans in the crowd. apart from a few group of schoolkids must have been 98% england fans. even on day 3 when it was obvious west indies were gonna win they didn't exactly come rushing in then either

Disappointing to hear that there were SO few Bajans at the game, even though, as I understand it, they reduced the ticket prices for days 3 and 4.

Good stuff mafe. Still hope you enjoyed your trip. Agree with your comments. Embarrassing from Bayliss and Root. Bayliss and Ramps stealing a living imo. Zero accountability.

It was touched upon in commentary that Bajans paid less than English fans. I guess 4 day tickets are sold to the English pre trip?

I hope the Windies had the grace to appreciate the wonderful English ovation of Dowrich and Holder's milestones. What other nation travels like we do and do that?? Even the local Injuns in Blighty wouldn't applaud a Root ton at Brum or wherever.

certainly worst places to be than barbados even if your team is getting a thorough humping

WICB outsourced the tickets to an agency. paid US$140 for the 5 days

hard to decide which of days 2, 3 and 4 were most humiliating for england. suppose day 3 takes some beating watching a number 8 batsman treating england's attack with utter contempt in taking an easy double hundred off them. what a bizarre day's cricket that was going from 18 wickets to none. sublime to ridiculous

he may bat at number 8 but he's been a great all rounder for windies and as someone said during the match, has a record quite similar to botham.

Not sure about cricket in Windies but it is very common for other countries to charge foreigners more for things than locals. In India it can be 5 or 10 times as much. We are just looking at a ferry from Minorca to Majorca and the price is less for locals there as well. So much for the EU.