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2017 Ashes chitchat
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Saffers went over there last year without AB and turned over Aus comfortably, we have turned over Saffers home and away.......Eng winning the ashes is doable.
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england have problems but it's a very average australian side. they have no idea who to pick at 6 and 7 for a kick off. wicket keeper is a real problem position for them
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40 years since Eng have won at the Gabba or WACA. A better record at Adelaide, but that was in the pre-day/night era.
I rather think we will arrive at the MCG with Eng 3 down, unless Eng get lucky with the toss and conditions at Adelaide. |
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I am with you pxb although I do think Aussies are also vunerable and an injury to Starc will shift the balance.
England could still win but history is against them. Slaughter at the Gabbatoir and I think the Ashes are lost. I retain hope for England but only a little more than Bob Hope and Slim. I would like to see a bold move and Wood added to the Squad immediately, absolutely no chance of that whatsoever! |
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I would rather use Saffers last year as a yardstick than Eng tours to Aus in the far distant past.
It's all exciting for we cricket traders.............I'll be doing the night shift throughout!  |
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I think you could be right Cardinal. Maybe us harbingers of doom may have got this wrong. Despite England being 3 batsmen down and no Stokes the Aussies look like they have similar batting problems albeit alleviated somewhat by being on their own soil with their own ball. Their rapier is better than ours but does he have the durability?
In the Game of Thrones vernacular I see foreshadowing of slaughter at the Gabba followed by carnage at Perth and Adelaide, game over and then Wood gets drafted in and we win one convincingly and get a winning draw on the other and a sigh of what could have been! Ashley I think this could be close and good for gambling if you put your national loyalties behind you and look at the cricket. This is Australia, I am not sure I can do that. Proceed with caution  ! |
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Ball went off crook today leaving specualtion that Overton may be in the frame. I would dearly love to see Wood given that job. Finn may have been useful at the Gabba. I have not seen much of Overton and I don't think Ball will be too good in Aussie. We have a problem with the 4th seamer and also possibly the spinner if Ali is really injured.
I think the week batting cancels itself out on both sides. I just feel Aus have more penetration although their atack is brittle. A good 4th seamer would have allowed Engerland to play attrional cricket. Bored! I just want the phoney war to end and battle to commence! |
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'New' pink ball producing wickets in the current warmup match.
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previous pink ball games in adelaide haven't lasted very long and with distinctly ropey batting line ups on both sides don't expect this one to go much beyond 3 days especially if starc and anderson get the new nut in the twilight zone
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Adelaide could be a toss up. Long range weather for the Gaba all over the place. I'm thinking a draw at the Gabba and Eng win at Adelaide isn't out of the question.
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Pxb
Do you have a clue to your batting lineup and wicketkeeper? I think we are over dooming England at the moment although not without some good reason. Apparently Bayliss does want Wood but he is not match fit? He is bowling in the nets and should be at the Gabba. Personally I would take a chance on him in a 4 seamer attack. He will be of no use to England if we have lost the Ashes after Perth! |
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Selectors will gather on Wednesday to decide on their squad for the Gabba.
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think they'll either stick with wade or go back to nevill. neither is much good with the bat
number 6 need to decide whether they can manage with just 3 seamers and lyon and pick a proper batsman or pick an all rounder who can't really bat or bowl |
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As ever Warner and Smudge will be the big wickets if both go early with the new ball I suggest England are contenders. Handscombe is a decent propect for me but will not want to be in too early. Aussie also have a problem at 2 and two middle order berths and 6. I ashley think our nbatting may end up stronger but we are on Aussie pitches for the first two of three Test's and the Ashes contest may be over by the end of them!
I like the sound of this Overton, anger management issues, a complete bell end! I like the that in a 6ft 5in young fast bowler! The 4th seamer needs to be accurate and he may get wickets on 4th innings pitches with his height. His batting needs to be aggressive if not lengthy. I am feeling btter for England, particularly if the Aussie team is announced tomorrow. Reality will no doubt set in once the game starts! |
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As ever I'm concerned that getting things horribly wrong off the pitch will lead to a disaster on it (whichever sport).
You mention Bayliss Whispering. Does he have ANY authority?? If he wants Wood he should have him and if he wants Root to bat 3 (which he does), the captain should bat 3. Vince & Ballance are huge gambles, especially as one of them will bat 3. Great shame about the injuries to TRJ, Finn, Wood last Summer and now Ball and Moeen. They appear not to rate Plunkett or trust his body. He was our best ODI quickie this year with good economy and plenty of wickets. Can't chuck in Overton or Curran. I can see a Rankin situation with either or both of those 2. Thankfully Ball should be fit but undercooked. |
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I dont rate Ball for Test Match cricket. I haven't seen Overton to be fair but I like the sound of a 6ft 5in Fast Bowler. They will not know much about him. I think he is inked in for the Test at the Gabba. Let us see.
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They'll go after him. A few boundaries and he'll be sent down to fine leg for a couple of hours.
Woakes is my biggest hope. Wouldn't have said that 2 years ago! The improvement he's made has been impressive. |
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I am starting to think Stoneman might do well as the pitches suit his game and he has played here before. Even Malan might do well ig he isn't in too early but IU am not sure he will be in the side unless he comes in at 7 a place I would leave for Moen as he has done well there although maybe he will also do well with the extra responsibility and he does see himself as a batsman first and foremost.
I am getting really excited. I wonder how many balls will be bowled before that confidence is pricked! |
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england still gonna have bairstow, moeen and woakes at 6, 7 and 8 which is miles better than any combination australia can field in those positions. starc is a decent number 8 but he'll be followed by 3 rabbits. england should fancy their chances of having australia 5 out all out
home advantage will probably be enough for australia but let's not pretend they are a particularly formidable side. i wouldn't give them a prayer if we were playing in england |
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Eng out to 4s for 1st Test. Can't see any news.
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Jamie Porter has a stress fracture in his back, which is why he's playing no cricket anywhere this winter.
Liam Plunkett has hamstring problems, which is why he's limited to T20 in Bangladesh. Mark Wood has a long-term heel injury, which is why he's lost his central contract. Craig Overton will be lethal once he gets a fast, bouncy pitch. The only time he's had one in recent times was at Scarborough this summer, where he almost decapitated a few Yorkshire batsmen. He's nowhere near the speed of his twin brother, but from that height you don't need to be on a pitch with bounce. What he does have is real accuracy. You can see what he did at Scarborough at the 0:44 to 1:00 mark on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taSB3oQIf4Y |
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I was hoping some of you guys might suggest I stop being stupid. I really feel like an England punt. If they get lucky with the toss and conditions anything can happen as the two teams I suggest are evenly matched. May well go ahead with an Aussie lay to play it safe on the weather.
Anyway. interesting to see Overton in those clips. he did not seem anywhere near express but one thing struck me was that he was bowling full and most of the batsmen were on the back foot or in the crease. On first sight it looked like he was bowling to 9.10, Jack. I think he will be more useful than Ball and harder to get away. if they try and go after him like they will go after Moen he might get a wicket or two. Still really excited. I think Aussie are way too short when they have not demonstrated any dominance yet. Rain reports suggested pitch may be slower and less bouncy than usual. |
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I'll have to think about laying Aus ...too short now but where is the bottom?
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I'd consider an England punt at Adelaide. Match could go either way IMO.
Currently, It looks like not enough rain at the Gabba to prevent a result, but could easily change. |
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You're not being stoopid at all Whispering. These are 2 dodgy teams. With Stokes I'd make us strong favourites.
Worth remembering that in 2010/11 Anderson took 24 wickets. The leading wicket taker on either side. As mafe said earlier, if this series was in England, it would be a comfortable home win. We write off Broad and Jimmy too readily when abroad. Bit of cloud and rain Down Under and we're very much in this. From a betting perspective, like always, the focus must shirley be to lay the draw on the dips. |
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jimmy is getting better with age too. not as fast these days obviously but his skill is unmatched. alright been some helpful conditions against poor batting sides last summer but his average coming down all the time. last couple of years he's been taking his wickets at around 21
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I'll have a scotch with my delusion!
Come on guys. The game is at The Gabbatoir! Have we got a statto? Is the toss important here? Think about putting the oppostion in, think again then bat? |
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Yes Whispers played at the Gabattoir but have you forgotten the last test match played here less than a year ago? Look at how well Pakistan played. they nearly caused a sensation and they lost the toss.
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england's problem has nearly always been lack of 1st inns runs in brisbane and perth. can't remember the last time we made 300 first up at either venue
the warm games as per this tour are always on slow pitches and we get caught out by the shock of the extra pace and bounce every time |
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seems like the aussie selectors have put all the names in a hat and had a lucky dip to pick the side for the gabba
cameron bancroft replacing matt renshaw who'd done nothing wrong, 34 year old shaun marsh at number 6 and tim paine with the gloves after a 7 year absence warner, bancroft, smith, kawaja, handscomb, marsh s, paine, starc, cummins, lyon, hazelwood |
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If that doesn't give England a lift nothing will.
Handscomb looks a weak link too. If Cummins breaks down like he so often does they're screwed. |
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will be a minor miracle if cummins plays more than 2 of the 5 matches with his fitness record
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I am too bullish on England for my own good. I will back them but for a relatively small percentage. It is ashley quite hard to know what is going on out there. They are being spoon fed friendly opposition and placid pitches. My main concern is the shock of life at the Gabba.
On the plus side a number of batsmen may be suited to Australian pitches and Stoneman has some experience playing here. I think an attacking batting strategy will help on these pitches unlike in England or India where all out attack has been exposed as folly. I am ashley concerned about the lack of penetration of our attack once the Kookaburra goes soft. Again on the plus side I think we have accurate bowlers who know how to do their job. We really need to wear down the Aussie fast bowlers and attack Lyon. Their batting looks as brittle as hell and I think they have got serious problems. A lot is being asked of Bancroft and he will be targeted. The good thing is their two best batsmen are in the top 3 and if we get one of those early there will be pressure on their middle. I know some people think they are not very good but all the batsmen can score runs and fast, ok Handscombe is stodgy but he is solid. If we get amongst them we can impose ourselves in this series. Their batsmen must score runs because they have a long tail. The big question is how we handle their attack and that is still to be seen but at 4's England have to be worth a speculative punt! I'm going in! I hope to God we go all out for a win and do not take a backward step. |
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I'd much prefer we get stuck in and let a lot of balls pass.
Last time Down Under we took on the short ball. Lost so many wickets to air shots. Cook and Carberry caught deep square. Trott twice. KP caught mid wicket at least twice. All the ex pros say you have to flat bat it on harder pitches. Square batted cuts and pulls. Fine but we could also leave it and make the bowlers adjust their lenghts to suit out style. Grind the bastards into the dust. |
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apparently paine hasn't made a first class hundred for 11 years and has only kept in 3 shield games in the last 2 years. he's behind wade for tasmania
seems the aussie selectors were desperate to outdo england for mindboggling picks |
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They're in a mess with their keepers. Neither Wade nor Neville have passed 50 this season. Both average 20 I think in Tests. There are one or two youngsters but that's it. Paine has had 2 fifties this season and that gets him in!!
Maybe they should have batted Bancroft at 7 and given him the gloves. Leave Renshaw in. Anyway, advantage England. |
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renshaw hadn't got a run this season either but surely a solid start to his test career should have overriden a handful of failures in the shield. at the moment england would kill for a new batsman to come into the side and average mid 30s
plenty of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the aussie media and general incredulity |
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Renshaw was a weak link. Showed some initial promise and may still come good but he his confidence must be low right now and Bancroft high so I think that is a fair swap but still tough for bancroft but what else do they do? Early wickets are a problem for both sides.
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You lot think vince will start the first test?
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absolute certainty to bat at 3 i'm afraid. cos of bayliss's weak management and joe root's utter refusal to move up to 3 if we're gonna win we're gonna have to do it the hard way from 30/2 more often than not
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