***England V South Africa 2nd Test*** UNBROKEN THREAD

Gouldy.........come on lads it's rush hour in Columbo...........

start the tuk tuk, might be over by tea this

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15 minutes till lunch

This has been a proper pasting, hasn't it?

can they just shake hands and concede?

Jul 17, 2017 -- 12:46PM, GRANTCKING wrote:

can they just shake hands and concede?

For the nailed on Thai?

Hope pxb got rid of his draw back when it was down in the low 20s.

Saffers should put a bat pad in for Stokes when he is just in

runs dont mean much right now.......let Stokes have the boundary if he wants to attack

Jul 17, 2017 -- 12:45PM, Fatslogger wrote:

This has been a proper pasting, hasn't it?

How much of it should be credited to Faf then?It pains me to see him do so well and then see ABD as ODI captain, someone who's been clueless since day 1!

They always say "Bavuma is quick" but the other guy was catching him and he was only jogging!

Bit of racial stereotyping methinks!

Very difficult to win test matches with 8/9 men

I know this thread is going to turn into a selection board meeting now. As always

Lunch Day 4

Jul 17, 2017 -- 12:53PM, detraveller wrote:

Jul 17, 2017 -- 12:45PM, Fatslogger wrote:This has been a proper pasting, hasn't it?How much of it should be credited to Faf then?It pains me to see him do so well and then see ABD as ODI captain, someone who's been clueless since day 1!

Some but England playing well one test, poorly the next is not remotely a new phenomenon. I think part of it is just that we've been pretty evenly matched with a lot of our recent opponents (India and Pakistan away obvious exceptions) so we've had a lot of close series.

Tom, when you and G heading out to Spain? as is my having been adviced.

s

Jul 17, 2017 -- 12:55PM, jucel69 wrote:

Very difficult to win test matches with 8/9 men

Did it last test. I don't think Jennings is that bad and he certainly has to be stuck with, given alternatives. Ballance and Dawson need to be jettisoned though and quickly. Woakes may be back next game, probably for Wood then you bring two batsmen in for the others. Trott and Pietersen tended to do well against SA, right?

Jul 17, 2017 -- 12:54PM, tomtimtum wrote:

They always say "Bavuma is quick" but the other guy was catching him and he was only jogging!

He's an amazing fielder but not sure he's a great runner beyond the between he wickets distance, where he is quick.

Bound to dig up a few more Saffers to debut for England........

England 79/4 at Lunch. England to make 210-260 runs paying 3.40

England runs line at 225.5 for the 2nd innings

Bairstow, Stokes,   MM Ali, LA Dawson, SCJ Broad, MA Wood, JM Anderson. Personally think it will be unders, think the tail only know how to play 1 way and that is to attack

England 225 or more on Betfair , currently 1.83 to back  and 1.99 to Lay

England will do well to get anywhere close to 225. Unders the bet there for me

5 DOWN

Bairstow goes for 16

At least we'll get a good prie on England next match with Rabada back too.

who makes way for Rabada?

Morkel? Morris? Philander?

Jul 17, 2017 -- 1:53PM, East_Coast_Eagle wrote:

Morkel? Morris? Philander?

Oliver.

I missed him. Haven't seen him play in this match so far

thats a pretty formidable attack Morkel Morris Philander and Rabada

Jul 17, 2017 -- 1:56PM, East_Coast_Eagle wrote:

thats a pretty formidable attack Morkel Morris Philander and Rabada

With Maharaj and still decent enough batting, as three of the five of them can bat.

I don't think Bayliss has done anything for our Test side.....

And you could argue the shift in approach in our one day side was forced.

tempted to lump the THAI here, what a partnership

TIMBERRRRRRRRRRRR

fry guessing again

oh my, umpires made a tit of himself

shocking umpiring in this game

he was the 1 who gave the dawson 'edge' as well

TIMBERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

bye bye miss american pie

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dawson picked because he can bat pmsl

he can't

unfortunately we may be stuck with dawson as woakes is only just fit again but there's no 4 day cricket for him to play with all the T20 rubbish on at the moment

looking forward to woakes coming back, he is much missed

calypso

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tuk tuk is ready

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Stuart Broad clueless

another walking wicket

seriously, this is abject.

it's the same philosophy in the one day's as well.

just one f*cking gear, back yourselves, show aggressive intent.

it's just plain wrong.

wood 1st ball duck pmsl

there's no telling them though D, they know best

all overski

what an absolute thrashing

bang bang bang ya dead

Disgraceful!

like watching the west indies bat

Good job batting conditions were pretty much perfect otherwise we might have been humiliated

England 2nd innings runs gubbed at 1.03

tail showing absolutely no fight

Jul 17, 2017 -- 3:00PM, East_Coast_Eagle wrote:

tail showing absolutely no fight

they cant do it all the time

and to think England were backed into 7.x to chase this
Poor Grant lost a packet, thinking England would chase this easy on this "runway"

lose by 340

they're not getting 340 with another 10 wickets in the shed

Pathetic effort from Enland today.

i reckon whoever wins the toss in the 3rd test , will go on to win the match.

A clearout required and low key & highly paid Trevor Bayliss needs to explain himself.   That is worse than anything that Windies have served up lately.

Anyone see how much was matched on match odds?
Just looked at SL vs Zim game and 36m been matched already with a day to go!
Cricket turnover is insane atm

quite possibly ECE...the oval has been a bowl 1st venue and a happy hunting ground for visitors in recent years

dawson out
ballance out

for starters

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seriously, this is abject.

it's the same philosophy in the one day's as well.

just one f*cking gear, back yourselves, show aggressive intent.

it's just plain wrong.

Couldn't have put it better myself, completely brainless cricket.

Root needs to go up to no.3

Credit to Faf for batting first against Broad and Anderson, especially after what happened here in the last test.

apparently this is the 8th time since 2015 england have won then lost the next match. rather sums up where we are in test cricket at the moment

Jul 17, 2017 -- 3:05PM, tomtimtum wrote:

Anyone see how much was matched on match odds?Just looked at SL vs Zim game and 36m been matched already with a day to go!Cricket turnover is insane atm

think it was 72 mill AUD which is equivalent to 43 mill GBP

trent bridge a bat 1st venue, bowling 1st like root said he would have done would have hcapped themselves

Yep, FAF's captaincy was superb in every department throughout this match.

Jul 17, 2017 -- 3:08PM, mafeking wrote:

apparently this is the 8th time since 2015 england have won then lost the next match. rather sums up where we are in test cricket at the moment

Will be interesting to find out how many times the bottom 5 have outscored the top 5. Must be quite often.

England 2.08 to win the series...a definite lay to me...far too many problems concerning the batting & unless Root or Cook get a big score the rest fall down almost immediately..both number 2 & 3 are real weak links & England as likely to collapse as produce a big score - Australia (assuming they play a proper team) will easily beat us in the Ashes as pace will be order of the day on their wickets and we look so susceptible to any half decent bowling

Top order abysmal outside of Cook and Root which looked a glaring weakness before the 1st test at Lord's. What I don't get is the number of chances afforded to Ballance who has consistently been exposed at test level. Meanwhile, Ian Bell has seemingly been thrown on the scrap heap when he is a proven test class batsmen. Other test nations like Australia/India cherish test class batsmen and allow them play on until their late 30s. Eng seem to be keen to off-load their best batsmen past 30.

james vince and mason crane required me thinks

Bell was abject for over a year in tests, so don't think we should weep for him but Ballance has been even worse and should be ditched. This was an all round horror show though.

Jul 17, 2017 -- 3:53PM, prepared83 wrote:

james vince and mason crane required me thinks

Why bring in another spinner, particularly a kid? Vince is hardly any more than another flawed sacrificial lamb to good pace bowling either. Two batsmen for Ballance and Dawson. Not sure who without paying more attention to Lions and CC but Westley has to have a shout, especially as I think he scored runs against SA for the Lions.

a lot of sense there from nasser & pollock

vince done too much batting on rose bowl belters, was exposed in test cricket when he came in

dawson was bayliss's pick

jesus fkin christ, I might not be just dawson who is on borrowed time if this run of defeats continues

If Bayliss thinks Dawson is the answer then we do have problems with that sort of thinking

wouldn't hesitate to go back to hameed no matter he hasn't scored many runs this year. you could see he oozes class in the winter. the complete opposite of ballance

hameed fc scores since may

17, 23, 0, 2, 18, 38*, 9, 10, 0

I like him but its asking a lot to throw him back in isn't it (no cricket for 3 weeks either)

I wouldn't touch Hameed with a barge pole right now. I'm not a great believer in the phenomenon of form, which is often just random variation but Hameed now has a pretty indifferent overall record and putting him back in because of one or two decent test innings months ago would be a vast leap of faith and unfair to him too, I think. I'd rather give Hales another go and I don't think he's a particularly good selection either. Westley would probably be my choice.

England 338 - 20 is an incredible stat.

No Rabada and of course no Steyn. Olivier playing his 2nd test, Morris his 3rd, Kesh his 9th.

Complete lack of pride exhibited today, not one of them wanted to come out and bat properly.


That doesn't detract from SA's first class performance, or the fact that England are carrying 3-5 players every test.


Hopefully that's the end of 'well, he can bat a bit' Dawson, and Gary Ballance.

Who is batting well in Division 1?

Jonathan Trott
Sam Robson
Paul Stirling

Good bunch of Englanders there

suppose we shouldn't be surprised. england's home record in the major series of the summer since bayliss took over is WLWWLLWWLWL . struggling to think of any of them going to day 5 and all decided by massive margins - an innings, hundreds of runs or loads of wickets

Made a modest profit after starting with a SAF lay. A bit lucky as I backed Eng at 10 start of day 4 and just managed to lay off before wickets started to fall.