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frog2
17 Apr 17 09:44
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On Delhi here for a few quid at 2.16.

Prefer Delhi's bowling and power in the batting. KKR too reliant on their spinners and top order.

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By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 10:58
Can't pick a winner at this stage, very evenly matched for me
By:
twizzle22
When: 17 Apr 17 11:00
frog is on a roll.Ignore his advice at your peril.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 17 Apr 17 11:01
Don't see an angle in this yet, although would have been a good call to get on DD at 2.1 or higher, I think, especially now they've shortened post toss. Going back out again now though.
By:
frog2
When: 17 Apr 17 11:02
Delhi won the toss and bat again. Market struggle to know how to react to that again.
By:
frog2
When: 17 Apr 17 11:03
People dont understand why the batting second bias exists. It is because most overseas players are batsmen so chasing is easy.

It is a different story with Delhi where their strength is in the bowling.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:04
Add in dew and the fact its easier to bat when you know the total you need
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:04
But batting first is a bonus at Delhi especially in day games
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:05
Have to lay KKR at these prices
By:
Fatslogger
When: 17 Apr 17 11:07
I'm on DD now at 2.16 as think this game is a coin toss or close to it.  One thing that would worry me slightly with whichever of these sides batted first is the fairly high potential of a fizzle against a good attack leaving very little chance of defending.
By:
Charlie
When: 17 Apr 17 11:07
Just backed Delhi at average 2.17 was expecting them to go higher though.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:07
Game is a coin toss for me on paper but DD have the advantage of batting first, prices should be the other way around for me
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:08

Apr 17, 2017 -- 11:07AM, Charlie wrote:


Just backed Delhi at average 2.17 was expecting them to go higher though.


me too Charlie, was waiting to pounce on Delhi at 2.3+! Market knew tho

By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:15
Waiting for market to correct and take me to greeeeeeeeeeeeeen
By:
fxearner
When: 17 Apr 17 11:15
Mathews and shami too in for delhi
By:
fxearner
When: 17 Apr 17 11:15
2 more bowlers and mathew all rounder
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:16
Delhi Daredevils Team
SV Samson, SW Billings, SS Iyer, KK Nair, RR Pant†, AD Mathews, CH Morris, PJ Cummins, A Mishra, Z Khan*, Mohammed Shami
Kolkata Knight Riders Team
G Gambhir*, SP Narine, RV Uthappa†, MK Pandey, YK Pathan, C de Grandhomme, SA Yadav, CR Woakes, NM Coulter-Nile, Kuldeep Yadav, UT Yadav
By:
Charlie
When: 17 Apr 17 11:17
Frog
Couldn't help but notice that your system has KKR rated higher than Delhi but you tipped Delhi. How does that work?
By:
frog2
When: 17 Apr 17 11:19
Home advantage and the odds on offer. Also Delhi has been has improving more recently. It is not just the raw rating that is used.
By:
fxearner
When: 17 Apr 17 11:21
Hello frog
By:
frog2
When: 17 Apr 17 11:21
Delhi Daredevils (Playing XI): Sanju Samson, Sam Billings, Karun Nair, Shreyas Iyer, Rishabh Pant(w), Angelo Mathews, Chris Morris, Pat Cummins, Amit Mishra, Mohammed Shami, Zaheer Khan(c)
Kolkata Knight Riders (Playing XI): Sunil Narine, Gautam Gambhir(c), Robin Uthappa(w), Manish Pandey, Yusuf Pathan, Suryakumar Yadav, Colin de Grandhomme, Chris Woakes, Kuldeep Yadav, Nathan Coulter-Nile, Umesh Yadav

Coulter-Nile in for Boult. About time.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:22
Where is forum guru AYT?
By:
Charlie
When: 17 Apr 17 11:22
So your systems takes those into account? If so what odds did it come up with?
By:
frog2
When: 17 Apr 17 11:25
Delhi around 53% chance. So 1.89. The thing is it is not highly accurate but gives a clue of the value.

In horses I might have one at 3/1 and it 6/1 on here. It fair price is probably more like 5/1 rather than 3/1 the computer thinks.
By:
frog2
When: 17 Apr 17 11:25
hello fxearner.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 17 Apr 17 11:28
Thing with modelling is you don't have to be that good at it (obviously is difficult) to use it to discern value as long as you pick occasions when it tells you market price is wrong. As in you can be less good at predicting true odds than exchange market / bookies but still do well out of piling in when there's a big disparity.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:29
We dont need models when we have Grantcking Cool
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Apr 17 11:29
Just got on Delhi because they are North of Evens & Batting 1st and Sam had a good knock last time so he should be filled with confidence.....and those are the 3 reason I got on them.
By:
frog2
When: 17 Apr 17 11:29
So true Fatslogger.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:32
this is what we like Cool
By:
tomtimtum
When: 17 Apr 17 11:38
oh my what a runway
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Apr 17 11:39
What on earth of they talking about? Sam made his name as someone who could play spin!
By:
fxearner
When: 17 Apr 17 11:45
What a brilliant shot
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Apr 17 11:49
I think the DD's are a very well balanced side with big hitters at the top and a very good bowling attack. I expect them to be a top 4 side.

This could be a close game. Buy low sell how. Flip flops and all sorts I am out as Mrs 'Death is here and annoying me. OH KKR could actually collapse too. Be careful of a train wreck particularly if chasing a big total.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Apr 17 11:50
under 106.5 12 overs is my only bet
By:
Fatslogger
When: 17 Apr 17 11:50
Swallowed my last post but was just saying how odd it was that a rain of 4s didn't move the market much (thinking market just felt, hmm, confirmed road) but now a quiet over has dropped DD further. IT noticed that 4 though.
By:
Charlie
When: 17 Apr 17 11:51
Cashed out to leave a free bet on Delhi will go back on if a wicket.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 17 Apr 17 11:54

Apr 17, 2017 -- 11:49AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


I think the DD's are a very well balanced side with big hitters at the top and a very good bowling attack. I expect them to be a top 4 side.This could be a close game. Buy low sell how. Flip flops and all sorts I am out as Mrs 'Death is here and annoying me. OH KKR could actually collapse too. Be careful of a train wreck particularly if chasing a big total.


Billings and Samson fire as hard hitting openers and it looks a nice batting line up with Pant, Mathews and Morris (probably better at 7 than 6 although obviously promotable if 4th wicket falls with 5 or fewer overs left) to give it some humpty at the end and I like their attack. I like KKR too but without Lynn I'm not as sold on the batting. 

They're going to start heaving at Narine soon, aren't they, if he gives them nothing?

By:
GRANTCKING
When: 17 Apr 17 11:58
what a runway CoolLove
By:
Charlie
When: 17 Apr 17 12:01
Made a bit of a rick on outright winner with Delhi. Only two teams I've traded are Delhi and Kings. Both teams I'd backed, laid at shorter odds then backed again at higher odds. When they played each other I decided to lay to back one of them. I chose to lay Delhi.
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