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By:
Hamlin
When: 15 Jan 17 08:59
Haha poor guy
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:00
He's gonna wake up to both losing/lost
By:
Hamlin
When: 15 Jan 17 09:00
Don't worry he'll post a winning bet
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Jan 17 09:00
Tom in best stirring mood.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:01
Laugh
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 09:01
I think they will have to score in excess of 350 to win today.

I would like to see England bat like this is a T20 certainly after 25 overs. They bat all the way. I notice Hazlewood has not been out once in 30 ODI matches! England biff all the way down. Might as well use that and put pressure on the bowlers by going after them, rather than looking good and elegant on a fast outfield but not scoring enough runs.
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Jan 17 09:03
They're doing just fine the way they're playing now WD.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:05
Market surge on India
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Jan 17 09:05
Noticed that Tom must be betting on Ashwin.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:06
Had to have a top up
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 09:07
yes they are Charlie!

I wouldn't change anything now and let these two play their game but back in the hutch they should be thinking about tictacs. 300 is unlikely to be a game winning score. Even 350 might not be enough. The dew might not actually be a factor tonight but if it is then we will need more runs.

What I mean is it is easy to think we are doing really well and stroll to 325, which, may or may not be a good score but the game has moved on particularly in India and on these pitches. We have not although at least we have ODI players in the team now!
By:
Fatslogger
When: 15 Jan 17 09:07

Jan 15, 2017 -- 9:01AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


I think they will have to score in excess of 350 to win today.I would like to see England bat like this is a T20 certainly after 25 overs. They bat all the way. I notice Hazlewood has not been out once in 30 ODI matches! England biff all the way down. Might as well use that and put pressure on the bowlers by going after them, rather than looking good and elegant on a fast outfield but not scoring enough runs.


Wickets in hand still useful, certainly if you've still got 25 overs left. Not suggesting they block much but no need to go nuts until the final 15 or so overs. You want Roy to stay there scoring as he is then perhaps accelerating later. Buttler, when he gets in, is another you just back to score stupidly quickly once set, without needing to try to do anything different to his usual.

Perhaps I'm saying this England side already takes the approach you're describing, thinking about it.

By:
Charlie
When: 15 Jan 17 09:09
Keep going like this to 40 overs (around 250 at this rate) and then have a biff.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:09
Bear in mind, it's normally harder to score in the final 10 overs in the sub continent than other parts of the world
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Jan 17 09:11
Just don't want them to go gung-ho now and lose three quick wickets when they'd be playing catch up.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:12
No need to go gung ho, just accelerate naturally
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Jan 17 09:13
Not so easy against the spinners.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:15
That was daft
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:16
Need Roy to go on for a 150
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 09:17
It is a tough call tbf

These two bowlers are pretty canny and hard to get away and of course you do not want a new batsman coming in now but the game can be won and lost in these overs. the emphasis must be to get a run a ball at least and try to presure the bowlers into the odd bad ball. I haven't played the game properly in 3o years and it is not as easy as I describe but going down gamely is still going down. I want to see them push now!

Kwaity post Mr 'Death the reverse sweep nearly gets him out but a four the next ball! These are the margins I guess!
By:
Hamlin
When: 15 Jan 17 09:17
with Buttler and Stokes fancy one of those will go big near the back end of the innings
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 09:18
Doh!
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:18
Idiot
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 09:21
This is not as bad as it looks. It gives Morgan plenty of time to play himself in. He is a good pacer of an innings I will certainly give him that! We have a left right hand combination against the spinners. Roy's scoring rate was slowing up. Punch and get out!
By:
Hamlin
When: 15 Jan 17 09:22
Poor decision, but Roy's done his job.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:22
RR going to slow down now, Root slow and Morgan a generally slow starter
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 09:23
Absolutely Hamlin.

No point standing back and admiring your work he was done!

I wonder what thought has been given to scoring areas against Jadeja and Ashwin?
By:
Hamlin
When: 15 Jan 17 09:24
There are some easy singles against the spin, just need to hit 5/6 of them an over and it puts pressure back on India to try something different
By:
Fatslogger
When: 15 Jan 17 09:24

Jan 15, 2017 -- 9:22AM, tomtimtum wrote:


RR going to slow down now, Root slow and Morgan a generally slow starter


Root is slow only by the standards of this side and he was striking at near 100s last year. Could do with him getting a move on though. It would be a real shame for this pair to dawdle then leave Buttler and Stokes too little time to affect the match. I'd certainly not have batter Morgan this high up but let's hope he produces one of his better efforts. He is generally good against spin.

By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 09:30
Fair enough Charlie

Not as easy to come in as I suggested but England lose many games in this period.
By:
cricketnut2
When: 15 Jan 17 09:40
England hit their 1st 6 in the 22nd over, should tell you where this game is going. Playing 4 seamers on a small ground, with a quick outfield. England will need a minimum of 330-340 I would expect. Stokes and Butler to come with Moheen as well, but then we're down to to bowling all rounders, Woakes has struggled lately Abdul Rashid, will get you 30/40 and David Willey, who can hit a long ball. If we don't lose many wickets a score of 375 is well possible, but if we do a score of only 300 is also possible. Root needs to be there near the end.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:45
Broke through 2, now keep going Cool
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 09:45
wow price breakout!
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 09:45
Laugh
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 10:05
Not wishing to criticise Morgan but I guess you can add Billings and Barstad to the side in place of Hales and Morgan. That would look pretty good to me. Just light on penetrating bowling but who else do we have!
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 10:38
Need 320 min from here
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Jan 17 10:42
I reckon about 20 behind where they should be.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 10:45
90 off last 10
By:
tomtimtum
When: 15 Jan 17 10:46
Would be a good effort
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Jan 17 10:46
The pitch may be more difficult than it looks. Nobody has managed to get on top of it and give it the charge.

Interesting to see what Dharwan and co make of it. They could make it look like a road with short boundaries!

I think we are at least 20 behind too, which, is what I was saying earlier. We need to get a move on in the middle overs. So we shall see if they can charge from here with the biffers to come
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