Cricket
A nice slow morning would suit me fine
About level at the moment in this game, after squandering a very healthy position.
I don't think England will go hell for leather, but their middle order players are naturally aggressive anyway.
The game can become really condensed in the last few days so if England do get a chance to declare, they will & also dangle the carrot.
They will probably get bowled out anyway and set India under 150!
will do well to survive
Dec 11, 2016 -- 1:07AM, johnnythebull wrote:
juce you must be smoking that ya ba if you think England could remotely get in any sort of position to declarewill do well to survive
That's what I said, they will probably be bowled out and set India under 150.
Way too many variables at the moment. India could bat for 30/40 overs and then it all changes again.
Things will only become clearer once India's innings finishes as they will definitely not declare!
Been some horrendous selections in this series.
Dec 11, 2016 -- 5:49AM, ihatehwb wrote:
Yadav won't have his ton by lunch - then they might as well get 600 - then Kohli might as well get his 250 - then yadav might as well get his 150 etc etc.
Dec 11, 2016 -- 6:54AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:
No Declaration on Jayant's Ton Good Lads, hopefully none at 200 lead too.
that draw isn't going to move for ages
India have turned the tables on Eng and got them batting last.
4.4 feels short
6/7 probably about right
i have absolutely no confidence in England even lasting the day out TBH. Ive done my conkers again.
Dec 11, 2016 -- 8:05AM, DAN1974 wrote:
i have absolutely no confidence in England even lasting the day out TBH. Ive done my conkers again.
lay some inns runs to hedge it a bit?
3/4 could fall quickly
Dec 11, 2016 -- 9:50AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:
If Ashwin & Jadeja require a rest or whether they can stay on rest of day may be huge factor in whether something sensational could be on the cards.
Nothing sensational can happen in this Test, as England can only get a draw or a loss
Dec 11, 2016 -- 10:03AM, cricketnut2 wrote:
Dec 11, 2016 -- 9:50AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:If Ashwin & Jadeja require a rest or whether they can stay on rest of day may be huge factor in whether something sensational could be on the cards.Nothing sensational can happen in this Test, as England can only get a draw or a loss
Final Outcome is less important than what the market does on the way there!
but it's so f*cking obvious it probably doesn't need saying.
can't bat,can't captain
f*ck all his runs in dead rubbers against sh1te
never does it when needed..total wimp
Moeen is mega overrated
can't bat(up the order anyhow),defo can't bowl
the young saffer will be a one inns wonder
fair play to joe(tho' he shouldn't have got out) & jonny
this pitch has no real terrors
draw was eminently achievable
Dec 11, 2016 -- 10:53AM, DStyle wrote:
i'd like to say that reverse sweeping ashwin out the rough outside your leg stump with 3 overs remaining in the day in a match you're trying to save is probably not the best shot selection.but it's so f*cking obvious it probably doesn't need saying.
I actually don't mind England having been dynamic this innings on the basis that runs help to save the game; that just defending isn't going to prevent wickets and that there was an outside chance of getting enough to have a prayer of defending say 130 or 140. What's grates with me is that they've played this way with a draw possible but made no real attempts to step up the scoring when the first test was there to be won with 10 wickets left on a deteriorating track already over 150 runs on.
Anyway, am winning £800 on India so apart from having got a lay in at 2.9 at the start of an Indian train, I'm not unhappy.
It's either attack or defend. there has to be a more dynamic approach based on the situation.
I think with about 5 overs left, with the propsect of the pitch being rolled and starting again tomorrow, it was time to shut up shop.
My biggest problem was keeping all my green on Eng.
I have taken a hammering in all matches! read the pitches wrong, read plenty wrong to be fair. I think after seeing SA, Aus, NZ, WI all get hammered I think I overestimated the effect of the pitches. I knew those batsmen were poor against spin but thought perhaps the pitch was the difference rather then the spinners.
I though England were well equipped to fight back and by and large I don't think they should be made to be ashamed in any way. India were by far the better side or their bowlers certainly were. Their batsmen applied themselves and played the conditions better than ours.
England have had their chances and have come up short. Apart from day 1 here I think India have had most of the lucky breaks. England have had the chance to press three times in the series at least and failed every time.
At the end of the day their spinners were better than ours and also familiar with the conditions. Looks like England have solved the openers problem, solved the number 3 problem and solved the number 4 problem. They have also solved where to bat Moen or rather where not to bat him. They have been readvised that Butler could be a game changer for them. They have seen they need the best spnners available not those who can bowl and bat.
The only people who have come up short in this series are the management and the Selectors. It is not an easy job but they could start by taking some responsibility, congratulate our players for their gameness, congratulating India for being better.
Test Match admission in India should be free or almost for those who wish to purchase their ticket at the gate. Anybody who wishes to book in advance or get the posh seats could afford to pay £20 odd in advance. Thats all I got to say about that. Well almost. I love watching Test Cricket playing to full stadiums.
WD - I agree with this apart from saying 'it's not an easy job'! It's stealing money!
FS is correct re the 1st Match. Diabolical lack of intent from England. Bayliss and Chef in the dock.
DStyle is correct that Stokes was mad to reverse sweep with minutes left of the day. I would say though that it was against the spin!!!
Batting is all about shot selection. He should have minimised risk on that occasion.
Great intent from England, pity about the first innings deficit which has robbed us of a classic test match.
Selectors: Duckers? Really? Leftie facing Ashwin around the wicket and he plants his front foot outside leg stump. Give me a break..
Buttler too late. 4 quicks needed for 1st two tests not here with this red soil. Pick Batty, drop Batty, pick Batty, drop Batty. It's like Granny's knitting. Bring in Dawson but don't play him. Does he need air miles or something?
Ballance? Seriously? Where were Hammeed and Jennings in Bangla?
Off the field decisions annoy me more than on. Cook is no captain but neither is follow the ball Kohli. We're gonna have to live with the fact test captains are embarrassing.
4 zip sadly.
It is Cook and Bayliss who are the two selectors from the available squad members for these matches.
So we should all think about the fact about Buttler not playing, Ballance playing, Ball playing over Dawson or Batty in this test, Duckett opening, not trying out Hameed early on.
All of this sh1t, is at Cook and Bayliss' door. Cook hasn't got a f*cking clue before the match starts, let alone worrying about how abject he is in the field.
There are mutterings he's about to call it time on the captaincy; one hopes that whoever fills his shoes will have the balls to tell Strauss along with the shadowy figure of the "Brilliant Wise and Respected Leader who must not be challenged" that they'll be doing things their own way.
I get so annoyed that there's more wisdom on here than among the brains trust paid fortunes to stay in 5* hotels and sit there with their floppy hats on.
They should know better. Be one step ahead of the fans but often they're two steps behind.
Re Buttler, he's played as many (7) games at this ground as at Old Trafford! All that experience of playing in India yet he gets in by default.
at least far too late it looks like more by luck than judgment they've found the right team and we can move forward from the summer onwards in more friendly conditions with cook hameed jennings root bairstow stokes buttler ali/rashid woakes broad and anderson
The criticism of the selectors is fair enough, although I'd defend them a little on the batting. Clearly Ballance was a bog awful pick last summer, to tour Bangladesh and then taking him along to India after that was madness and Duckett was a bad shot but our resources clearly aren't amazing and you have to give them a little credit for Hameed and Jennings, albeit that it's very early in both careers to get too excited. I think the spin situation is beyond their control. Rashid and Ali probably are the best we have and both are pretty indifferent test bowlers. I'd have taken Leach on his excellent season but it would have been a real guess itself in the absence of any Lions cricket and on a short FC career and the selectors would no doubt have been slagged off for ruining his career if he'd toured and bombed.
My mistake ( one of them ) was thinking the pitches were like minefileds. Clearly they were not. The previous opposition batsmen were far worse than Englands.
DStyle is right the press and media have not taken Bayliss or Cook to task as yet. I will be interested to see if they do. Far too cosy.
Dec 11, 2016 -- 9:20PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
You are right pxbMy mistake ( one of them ) was thinking the pitches were like minefileds. Clearly they were not. The previous opposition batsmen were far worse than Englands.DStyle is right the press and media have not taken Bayliss or Cook to task as yet. I will be interested to see if they do. Far too cosy.
The market has had draw pretty long pre match every time and not a single track has been unplayable, although the batsmen on both sides have rather exceeded expectation on this, which really has offered quite a lot to spin. Certainly the England spinners have been poor by comparison with Ashwin and Jadeja but then they are poor by comparison with Ashwin and Jadeja.
Be surprised if they survive another hour.
They may as well have just played one-day cricket and got every match over with in three or four days.
We simply don't have enough batsmen with the ability to simply occupy the crease. All the commentators lauding Root but you knew it wasn't going to last. He needed 170, not 70. There have been the odd pockets of resistance but we needed five or six batsmen getting 50+, not just a couple.
As for our spinners they might produce a dangerous delivery every ten overs with plenty of absolute rubbish in between. They wouldn't scare anybody. Simply nowhere near good enough.
adil rashid has taken 22 wickets this series at 32/ sr of 55, 202 overs.
ashwin has taken 23 at 28 sr 60, 234 overs.
jadeja 16 at 32 sr 32, 216 overs.
Rashid has taken 37% more wickets than jadeja from fewer overs at a near identical average.
And that's even before we start to worry that Rashid is bowling at more accomplished players of spin, whilst being more than a little hamstrung by a f*cking clueless captain who still has problems working out how to use him.
Ali, is at best, a thoroughly ordinary spinner. He always has been. India played him like tw@ts for one series in England (they played like tw@ts all series regardless of the bowler) and we seem to think that qualifies him to be our frontline spinner for the next 4 years. He is no better than Root.
Of the two left arm tweakers available to England for this test, in leach and dawson, we played Jake Ball. I mean fffs.
In terms of judging conditions, this is a worse decision than Hussain at Brisbane and punter at Edgbaston. It's another league of bad.
When Ali and Rashid are bowling in tandem there is no control.
No problem with the leggie going for runs but the offie needs to give the captain control and consistency of length/line, or it piles the pressure on Rashid.
Even if we had a left orm orthodox with no great pedigree we would still have limited them to 450/500 max
Elgar bowled well against India in SA's last tour.
Santner did a job too for NZ
Dec 11, 2016 -- 9:20PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
You are right pxbMy mistake ( one of them ) was thinking the pitches were like minefileds. Clearly they were not. The previous opposition batsmen were far worse than Englands.DStyle is right the press and media have not taken Bayliss or Cook to task as yet. I will be interested to see if they do. Far too cosy.
After making a killing on the first test, I have a net loss on the the next 3.
Two collapses by England in the first innings killed my positions in Tests 2/3 & in this Test I held onto my England position until I had burned all my green.
My worst mistake was having a huge green at Vizag at the start of day 5 and not laying a single penny off. The Cook wicket in the last over of day 4 cost me thousands & I was too stubborn to take a lesser profit. Ended up with diddly squat as we collapsed so quickly. All in all been a terrible last month with the Aus/SA series!!
I saw that earlier and was more than a little surprised. Not that I don't rate Rashid, I do. But better than Ashwin and Jadega??
I am not blaming Rashid. I don't think he is a bad bowler either. I just think he lacks control at times and a good spinner can bowl on a flat pitch. I don't think Rashid can but he is only 28. he has got what it takes. He just needs to master his craft and that for me means practice, practice, practice. Moean should also realise that if he could develop his bowling he could cement his place in this side which will not be secured by his batting. Again, he has it all but needs to get better.
I think any criticism of either of them is very harsh. Both need to be congratulated and encouraged to improve.
Dec 12, 2016 -- 3:59AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
yes but the point is Rashid has not really been able to bowl India out when it was needed. Ashwin and to a lesser extent Jaddu have come up trumps when needed. I mean 621 and the previous test when it was all to play for.I am not blaming Rashid. I don't think he is a bad bowler either. I just think he lacks control at times and a good spinner can bowl on a flat pitch. I don't think Rashid can but he is only 28. he has got what it takes. He just needs to master his craft and that for me means practice, practice, practice. Moean should also realise that if he could develop his bowling he could cement his place in this side which will not be secured by his batting. Again, he has it all but needs to get better.I think any criticism of either of them is very harsh. Both need to be congratulated and encouraged to improve.
Cook hasn't really shown much confidence in him, which shows in his bowling too
I also think he's rarely had a chance to bowl at india when they're under pressure or late in the match, and these are massive factors for a spinner.
I'll take 4-0 in this series if Cook resigns the captaincy at the end of it. Along with encouraging performances from Hameed, Jennings & Rashenius, and Bairstow's impressive grit, that's enough positives from a series we were always very unlikely to win.
I wouldn't mind replacing our selectors as well; but the concern is who replaces them.
in as much as England having won 3 out of 4
failed to win any of them
Cook is so f*cking inept he can't even lose the toss on a consistent basis
hypothetically,how many would India have got had they had to face their own bowlers?
imho not only are the pitches prepared solely to suit the home side
but it is absolutely totally unfair that England aren't allowed to face their own bowlers
to make it more of a level playing field
England outdid themselves by a superb,stalwart,protracted resistance this morning
