India v England - 2nd Test at Visakhapatnam

England running through them quickly now

We could be batting before lunch

India need to bat another 40 overs to bring the draw into play again. Looks unlikely.

given up on the draw now

Broad bowling beautifully

what a catch!

This is the kind of situation where I find Winviz useful. It has draw at 5% and Eng at 2%. well off the market.

This last stand bringing the draw back into play!

jinxed myself :-(

I think the draw is still in play here. Eng get a slow and steady start will come in quite quickly.

But India would have had to bat another 10+ overs to get me interested in backing the draw.

Those with Comedy Draw Green LOVING 5 maidens in a row............but they want 5 more!

Another 20 overs of 1.5 runs an over and no wickets and I'll be wet with excitement.

Nov 20, 2016 -- 7:45AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Those with Comedy Draw Green LOVING 5 maidens in a row............but they want 5 more!

I could only wait on so long: got a chunk off at 20 and another at 15. Would now like some runs to dispense with some of my comedy England green. At 10s I can go slightly green overall.

Super Stable India price was Pi$$ing Me off but now it's moving!.........got orders in on all prices upto 1.35

Can't believe it's got down to 10s. Really thought they'd either score some runs or lose a wicket.

Nov 20, 2016 -- 8:17AM, Fatslogger wrote:

Can't believe it's got down to 10s. Really thought they'd either score some runs or lose a wicket.

Me too!...... I've been very fortunate here,thx to last 2 for India and 1st 2 for Eng!...Exceeded all my Expectations on the Draw price.

I am more surprised with is why the England price is so low. There are not even thinking of chasing this!

Nov 20, 2016 -- 8:32AM, RP79 wrote:

I am more surprised with is why the England price is so low. There are not even thinking of chasing this!

Not that I think England will get these runs but it's not that simple: the openers are both slow scoring but may play a few more shots tomorrow if it looks feasible. More importantly, from Root at 3 down, the batsmen are naturally quick scorers.

I am all green! It's not for much, only £20 on India but I do have £1.2k on the draw. Didn't expect to be back in this game with my £3.5k India red when England went to 80/5.

I don't think England are batting for a draw, they're taking a wait & see approach.

Incredibly Impressive from Hameed, can't praise him enough!

Record run chase ?! 1.3 looks very big really

I'm struggling to make a case for the draw price being so low. Runs and wickets will come.

It's pretty clear how well Broad and Anderson have bowled to help England into this situatio though. 29 overs 5-66 between them.

the models are wrong for 4th innings run chases. it's usually purely resource based, when the psychological factors are huge.

anyhoo, india are big at 1.3, but there are a couple of positives for england. Given rashenius long bowls and using him against the tail is the right approach, and hameed looks the part.

The session break has completely halted the momentum of where the market was going! :-(

Draw is not impossible I have to say!

the optimum trade is: lay England, back Draw hedge

not sure trader, i suspect there may be something in it for the trade, but not for the result.

once england decide that they're playing for the draw, kohli can put six men around the bat and bowl the spinners in tandem and the inevitable will happen.

Couldn't resist going slightly red on the draw with a lay at 6 and a few moments later it was at 5! Glad I got my England lay in at 10s for now but devastated that I didn't hold more draw for longer. 

One factor to bear in mind is that if England doesn't look terribly likely to win, India can bowl more than the prescribed number of overs, especially with Jadeja on and lots of dot balls, as he can then get through an over in under 3m. I actually think England's chances of getting out with a draw are improved significantly by having at least some shot at the win, as per DStyle's point above.

If Cook and Hameed hang around for ever then it may well be drawn but even then, if they manage to accumulate a few runs, leaving England say 200/1 at lunch tomorrow, it's still far from impossible that the quicker scoring players could get England there, although obviously the Indian win would remain more likely and the moment wickets started to fall, any thought of a win would recede.

Kohli also seems to be playing for the draw. Surely you put fielders in.

Kohli is a shocking skipper. It's like he's defending 200.

It's bizarre how negative most captains are.

they aint gonna get Hameed out, he looks like he could bat for a week.

Nov 20, 2016 -- 9:37AM, DAN1974 wrote:

they aint gonna get Hameed out, he looks like he could bat for a week.

For 43*.

Amazing stuff from him and Cook.

Even with a wicket or even 2, the draw should not balloon right out again.

11 runs from the last 10 overs 

Nov 20, 2016 -- 9:42AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Even with a wicket or even 2, the draw should not balloon right out again.

There's still a whole day tomorrow and quite a lot of today still. It would go out a fair way, perhaps to 7 with one wicket, 12 with two.

Nov 20, 2016 -- 9:46AM, DAN1974 wrote:

11 runs from the last 10 overs 

It's 11 from 11 now. Funny old game. Who saw this?

Vic Marks is forever talking odds/betting on TMS, I bet he's never had a bet in his life but he seems clued up.   When other commentators talk odds/betting scenarios its pure horse manure, like saying the game is in the balance when one side is 1,2 on here.

Nov 20, 2016 -- 8:40AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

I don't think England are batting for a draw, they're taking a wait & see approach.

I think they have waited and seen .....and now decided on a draw!

Nov 20, 2016 -- 10:03AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Nov 20, 2016 --  8:40AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:I don't think England are batting for a draw, they're taking a wait & see approach.I think they have waited and seen .....and now decided on a draw!

A Positive Jinx .......Runs Are Flowing Now!

Its not a jinx just a poor observation.

Nov 20, 2016 -- 10:11AM, Hamlin wrote:

Its not a jinx just a poor observation.

Maybe you don't get IRONY!

no one forcast this england effort.

shastri and botham contradicting themselves hugely.

irrational nonsense.

DRS is to remove the howler, but you should be allowed endless reviews of everything.

Botham utterly confused

botham now stuttering when atherton points out the obvious.

quick change of subject.

Yeah, Botham really is thick

this is tremendous stuff from Englands openers, Hameed is going to opening the batting for the next 20 years

I said that in the last Test Dan.

what's going to happen at durham?

seriously.

the other boards members point out some flaw in his reasoning based on details and logic, and he stutters and then just stubbornly restates his original decision.

one hopes it's merely a PR appointment and there's a lieutenant who'll be running the show.

Nov 20, 2016 -- 10:28AM, DStyle wrote:

what's going to happen at durham?seriously.the other boards members point out some flaw in his reasoning based on details and logic, and he stutters and then just stubbornly restates his original decision.one hopes it's merely a PR appointment and there's a lieutenant who'll be running the show.

They point out his flaws and his response would be "Well how many Test wickets do you have?"

oh dear

i have no problem with endless reviews, but the first thing you have to do is remove the supremacy of the umpire.

horrid ball.

1.02 we'll be shown nasser's dismissal in the next hour.

Nov 20, 2016 -- 10:33AM, DStyle wrote:

1.02 we'll be shown nasser's dismissal in the next hour.

I had a look at that today ...and a Mark Waugh one!..after Aggers mentioned it yesterday.  Never seen before.

Does anyone think England could bat out tomorrow?
Or is India free money

There has never been free money on here. India should win, but England are a team of real battlers, so take nothing as read.

Nov 20, 2016 -- 11:13AM, Foinavon wrote:

Does anyone think England could bat out tomorrow? Or is India free money

Im wondering the same. I think India win during the middle session. The situation demands a SA type resistance and if i remember correctly, they set out to face 150 odd overs and were 5 down till tea on last day. And then it was over quickly.

Realistically England will struggle to get to mid afternoon tomorrow - Duckett won't survive for more than a few over (if that) so already 3 down  - perhaps should they attack & just might perhaps get 100 runs in the morning session losing only a couple of wickets - you then have a situation of 200 runs required with the possibility of 2 out of 3  Root, Bairstow & Stokes batting who all could score a few in the afternoon (when the pitch seems slightly more benign) - this puts added pressure on the Indian team who will need to change their strategy

I would prefer attack to attempting to defend 90+ overs because with the 2 openers both out I cannot see them defending all day - they are likely to lose either way but at least by attacking it sends a message to the opposition for the remainder of the series

Not sure if Root can do a blockathon, has he even tried? Stokesy & Jonny did a decent fist of a one in 1st innings.  Market looks right to me on all 3 prices.

'India are still favourites' - Nick Knight

India are going to win, we all know that deep down

we see this scenario so often in test cricket and the bowling side normally prevails so i would say that 1.18 represents value but i wont be lumping on it.

I've never seen 7s with 8 wickets left on the last day

Nov 20, 2016 -- 12:55PM, jucel69 wrote:

I've never seen 7s with 8 wickets left on the last day

fair point, I suppose, re: pice!

*price

oh my, everyone loves a thai

not following this test, is the pitch still good to bat on ?

Winviz says Eng all out just after tea.

can't watch Duckett bat, it's truly painful viewing

juc, have u seen thepoints fest in theNFL

one man and his dog betting on this game again

Nov 21, 2016 -- 4:10AM, GRANTCKING wrote:

juc, have u seen thepoints fest in theNFL

I'm watching it! Laid off my overs in the first quarter too for a loss.
Still got the skins as my main bet

juc, can engerland hold on for a thai here

hope so!

Nov 21, 2016 -- 4:14AM, King of Dubai wrote:

Broad matched at 1.01 for top runscorer. Who's gonna own up to that blunder then?

lmao

I hope not.

START THE TUK TUK

I'm now green on the draw as well as India, so England can block their little hearts out from now on.

These reviews are good for getting dips that reverse back.

I thought Duckett's wicket was already priced in tbf

England are going to need a pile of luck to get the draw.

22 overs in 70 minutes. At this rate they will bowl 110 for the day.

When the ball hits the batsmen on the full how does ball tracking know how much it is going to spin?

Nov 21, 2016 -- 7:05AM, King of Dubai wrote:

It assumes it goes straight on, just as an umpire would, I think.

Yes, that's actually what the rules say too.

Routine win for India today. Got out of gaol this test for a small profit that would have been a huge one if I'd trusted Cook and Hameed more.

Much as to be expected here. I took a small loss from an initial bet.

With regard to the game the team were not helped by the Selectors yet again. Dropping Stokes was as stupid as playing Duckett. Losing the toss consigned their fate.

The selectors have not thought about left and right hander combinations. You could see how important it was at times and made it difficult for the India bowlers with their lines.

India showed they were the better team in these conditions and Kohli was the difference between the two sides.

England " lost " the game when Hameed was run out or rather they lost any chance from that point on and the subsequent calypso collapso. That is why Duckett must go.

There is not a lot of difference between these two sides. Pujara got a century first go. Take that away and only Ashwin got a fifty and as I said the difference netween the sides was Kohli and his 248 runs. India won by 246...say no more a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat!

Next Test should see Butler in at 7 maybe. I would put Jonny Barstad up to 4 or Stokes if you want a left hander. The Johhny at 5, Moen then Butler. I think that would give the top order the stability it needs and Ali and Butler could come in and play with freedom.

Much as I wanted Ansari to do well he adds very little at this stage. A SLA was needed but it is not him right now. There is no point in playing Batty either.

I don't know what Mohali will be like but I suspect there will not be much grass on a pitch that could be said to favour England. Let's hope we get a bloody minded curator!

dropping Woakes!

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i have a question for all you money making studs on here..was it simply a question of winning the toss?
had England won the toss would they have posted a total adjacent to that of India's and more pertinently would their bowlers have been able to dismiss India twice?
i'm not totally convinced albeit we did bowl well in the latter part of India's 2nd inns
having said that they were more looking to increase their lead rather than playing more conservatively to preserve wickets.

jtb, I've asked myself the same question. Had England won the toss, they would have had an early advantage but probably not as decisive as India's was. Be interesting if they win the toss in one of the remaining Tests.

Copy that!

but they did themselves no favours dropping Woakes and playing Duckett. India are the better side in familiar conditions but England are not far behins and winning the toss brings the two sides closer.

Butler at 7 too low down......would be on a recovery mission no doubt...

Get him in at 4 or 5 and let him have a licence.

Play Stokes 6 or 7

Buttler probably is a better choice than Duckett by now but England having toured with only Ballance as a specialist batting alternative to an obviously dodgy number 4 is madness. Buttler is a serious limited overs talent but a relative liability in FC and test cricket.

I think these sides are pretty evenly matched if England wins the toss, clearly not so if India does.

Selection mistakes have been apparent for a while.

Bringing Ballance back in during the Summer made little sense. With 7 tests coming up in Asia we had to blood a player who is light on their feet, sweeps, reverse sweeps and rotates the strike with ease.

James Taylor is a huge loss in that regard...

So who was it to be? Vince, Buttler, Billings or Borthwick? Vince didn't take his chances. I know little of Borth apart from his stats. It had to be one of the other 2 imo.

Instead they chose Ballance plus Duckers instead of Hameed. They then dropped Duckers to 4. It took 7 innings before the brains trust moved him from outside leg stump to a middle and off stump guard....

I assume they wanted 3 spinners cos of the heat. The quicks can't bowl 20 in a day so they went for Ansari instead of any of the other quicks who would have outbowled him. Personally I would have gone with 4 quicks and bowled them into the ground if necessary but I'm a hard bastard..

The surprise that Rasher is now bowling well amuses me. Funny what a run in the side gives you!! They could have got 10+ tests into this lad but bottled it every time. In the Windies, at OT, the Oval etc.

Never mind, well played India. 3 to go. Great series already.

Latest News........

Billings is flying out as we speak. Selectors to issue an apology in the morning!

It might be a bold move though equally bold is playing Butler who hasn't played much cricket but they have to do it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38097032

looks like a proper bunsen this one

just get on whoever wins the toss as quickly as you can.

Already cracked and incredibly dry at the ends.

Eng currently 4.3. Lose the toss and 7s I reckon.

For the sake of the match and the betting it would be great if we won the toss.