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For the record, did every player have a confidentiality clause, or just KP? Everybody allowed to say whatever they liked about him, and he wasn't allowed to defend himself, yet when he finally does, people see it as bullsiht? lol
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Top and bottom line is who cares if he is all these things.
He is Englands best batter leading all time run scorer who would have made 1000s more international runs. What other country would leave its best player out because he upset a few. Time for the ECB to grow a pair admit they were wrong and get him doing what hes done for 9 years, win cricket matches for England |
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Downton Shabby.
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He made one hundred in ten tests against Australia. His best days are behind him - with all the crap that comes with him he
just ain't worth it unless he's delivering big time. Even in 20/20 he was sh1te for Delhi in the last IPL - he's found a bit of form against the pie chuckers of the BBL on wickets that suit him. Anyway it doesn't matter, he's out and he's not coming back - good luck to him selling his wares on the T20 circuit and his whingeing and moaning about his ' bad treatment '. |
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As far as I can see nobody has said that KP was England's only problem, but clearly he was one of the problems. The reason they are not winning games is because they are not good enough, as for Pietersen strengthening the England side; his best days are a long way behind him, he looks good in the BBL.......but so does Craig Simmons and Simmons can catch.
And the Pietersen and Warner parallel..........how, why?! one guy is a hand on the heart, mad for the battle patriot, the other guy just got the tattoo. Warner is a problem child but the ACB will massage and manipulate him into the template, because he will pay them back. The ECB indulged Pietersen for years, and in the end paid dearly for it. A simple question!.... How does the best batsman in a successful National team, become so loathed by his peers? If your answer is, 'Grahame Swann or James Anderson did it', I want you to go back to your desk and try a little harder. If your answer is, 'it was the 'system' that did it, or the freemasons' or some other homespun conspiracy theory, stand in the corner with your hands on your head. If your answer is, 'but all the young impressionable Cricketers seem to like him' report to the History master. In my view Pietersen was too complicated an individual to fit long term into any pressurised team enviroment, it was always going to end in tears. The Cricket loving public should be grateful that England were fickle enough to select him in the first place, and that we got to view his talents on the world stage. And a word for some of you Pietersen apologists who have been dining out for years on the ECB's expedience, qualifying and selecting Saffer's as easy and natural as minting a coin. I find it a little disingenuous that you should now be crying into your beards over his demise........take a long hard look in the mirror you. |
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sorry that should read
........take a long hard look in the mirror you scumbags. |
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Great post shades ! Nail hit on head.
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no. I'm afraid not.
i struggle with the statement that he was loathed by his peers. he was fine under fletcher and vaughan. and i'm sure that there are many in that team who regarded him as a egotistical knob, and he is one, but loathed, no. The loathing only came under Flower's dressing room. And in particular it came from those who towed Flower's line the hardest. he didn't fit in because he didn't agree with Flower's and Gooch's limited dogma and I suspect he wasn't afraid to let people know, not least Flower. Everything about the latter stages of Flower's reign points to groupthink and rabid aversion to cognitive dissonance. valid criticism from the media was barely tolerated, largely ignored. one can only imagine what it must have been like behind closed doors. Flower's idea of dressing room harmony was no doubt everyone agreeing with him and doing what he said. i've said it before, the worst thing about KP's book (along with the fact that he is a massive bellend) is that the petty and puerile settling of scores has completely undermined what are clearly very legitimate grievances about Flower's time in charge, particularly the second half. |
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and incidentally i'm not advocating that he should be reselected. He's done nothing yet in the domestic franchises to warrant consideration, although he's possibly finding some form in the BBL. But I'd agree that it's not enough to warrant international selection after having been away from the game for over a year.
it's more that I don't think he's been treated fairly, and that i think Flower has a massive charge sheet to answer but has somehow managed the sort of Ascension reserved for Messiahs and North Korean dictators. |
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You're right DStyle loathed is a bit strong.
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DStyle - 'the petty and puerile settling of scores has completely undermined what are clearly very legitimate grievances about Flower's time in charge, particularly the second half'
This has articulated my thoughts exactly (but more eloquently) about KP's book. I never wanted players who aren't British to represent England. I'm not happy that Ireland's rise has been scuppered by our theft of Morgan and Rankin. It's ludicrous and embarrassing. The KP thing is more about the utter shambles of his sacking, the mob mentality of Downton and his cronies to blame all on one player and the complete lack of managerial responsibility for their failings to err, manage. What a shame KP'S book didn't talk more about the mishandling of Monty, Tremlett and Rankin and the ludicrous selection Kerrigan and Woakes at the Oval last year, for example. KP does not warrant a place in England's Test side imo, he SHOULD have gone to Bangladesh for the T20 WC and he would get in the ODI side ahead of Ravi (you don't need 7 bowlers..) |
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Forgot to mention the farcical handling of Finn's run up. Something that Fraser sorted out immediately after the player returned to Lord's.
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For example:
It riled the team and management that KP allowed Piers Morgan to belittle Alistair Cook and the team on social media. When asked to get Piers Morgan to stop tweeting about the team, KP laughed at the players and told them to get a thicker skin. rotflmfao. What a prcik that KP was..... ffs |
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that one is telling isn't it.
obviously some of the other ones in the dossier are just as comical, but that one says a lot. there's a very strong sentiment amongst many of the online blogs that the established cricket journalists are far too cozy with the ECB and their spineless lack of criticism and towing of the ECB line, of Cook's captaincy and of Flower's approach have been entirely lacking in journalistic rigour and enquiry. indeed it was no doubt Morgan's tweeting that led to to the phrase "those outside cricket" as though somehow, if you weren't part of the inner circle of journalists, being spoonfed the correct message, your opinion was irrelevant. and of course one could discount everything Warne was saying because it lacked objectivity. ooh the irony. except it wasn't was it. clearly everything morgan and warne were saying did get through, and the players and in particular i suspect Flower, didn't like and didn't want to hear it. now of course those opinions almost certainly echoed some of those KP expressed, and such was the Stalinesque paranoia taking over Flower, the inference was that Morgan and Warne, rather than being loud mouthed opinionated media personalities, were in fact dark agents operating exclusively at the behest of Pietersen. if there had ever been one item to have left off that Dossier, you couldn't have picked a better one, quite simply because it reflects appallingly on everyone but KP. |
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Pretty interesting too this little note...
Note: AF did not speak to KP during the Sydney Test (or for the rest of the Tour). This one is a classic, and wouldn't stand up as fact in any court in the world, or in a debate between 2 5 year olds. In team meetings during the tour, KP would often be deliberately disengaged (e.g. looking out of the window, looking at his watch etc whilst AF and others were talking to the team). The whole thing reads like some pathetic petty divorce document. I am generally suprised there is nothing saying, KP blocked me on Facebook. |
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Good innings lad...time for the South African mercenary to give up cricket and stick to being the pr$t that he is
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This whole KP thing is starting to be a bit of an irrelevance. I think the real problem is Flower and he is still in overall charge!
Strong management and leadership is needed at times and those in authority cannot accept every charge levied against them but at the the same time there must be someone in authority to say to The Emperor you haven't got any clothes on. |