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ThommosBucket
10 Jan 15 10:33
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No matter how hard he tries to be likeable and one of the lads - he just comes across as a total pr*ck.

Listening to him on the Big Bash is painful.

Can just imagine Gilchrist and Ponting off air echoing the sentiments of Strauss.

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By:
treble
When: 10 Jan 15 11:05
Don't care how much of a c0ck he is, he's an amazing batsman who should still be playing for England.
By:
bilbobaggins
When: 10 Jan 15 11:19
Totally agree Thommos and what an arrogant prick to agree to being miked up when he is batting instead of concentrating on his team. What a ****g ego. Repulsive guy.
By:
Wallflower
When: 10 Jan 15 11:21
.....agree with OP.......but more importatntly this better not end in a tieCry
By:
the swede
When: 10 Jan 15 11:28
what drama
By:
the swede
When: 10 Jan 15 11:29
this game deserved an own thread Excited
By:
Wallflower
When: 10 Jan 15 11:29
....phew ----- got forced to take insurance of the tie -   then made more back when I figured it was not outHappy.

Great drama alright
By:
wit-ham
When: 10 Jan 15 11:30
ball would have deviated if hit the stumps i think
By:
bobweenit
When: 10 Jan 15 11:33
What price did the draw trade @
By:
bobweenit
When: 10 Jan 15 11:33
And Kev does come across as a bit of a Knob
By:
Blades
When: 10 Jan 15 11:47
20 mins ago I was sitting smug awaiting a nice profit.....still got the profit but need a change of trousers and a lie down. Cricket can make mugs of us all...I just got out of jail
By:
the swede
When: 10 Jan 15 11:58
tied game matched at 1,20
By:
the swede
When: 10 Jan 15 11:59
for around 3000 £ i think
By:
Westender
When: 10 Jan 15 12:10
Is this panto?

Semms a bit far fetched and I wonder if some of this is rehearsed to maintain interest.
By:
DStyle
When: 10 Jan 15 12:16
a pr1ck, a kn0b, a c0ck, yes. there's no doubt about that.

a c*nt. no.

he may be petulant, conceited and selfish and have a poor sense of humour, but he's not a c*nt. i detect no malice; the same can not be said for a man whose parting shot was have someone sacked without reason and manipulate a weak and impressionable managing director into doing so.

and as for his being miked up, this format of the game is first and foremost about entertainment and for god's sakes, he's been asked to do it.
By:
ThommosBucket
When: 10 Jan 15 13:37
I'm sure Peter Moores would agree with you 100% about not getting someone sacked...

The game is about entertainment I agree - and every other player who has agreed to be miked up has come across really well without getting involved in an ongoing argument about cricketing ethics.
By:
Injera
When: 10 Jan 15 13:44
I thought he was entertaining and broke up the inane chatter of the 3, yes 3 'commentators'.

He spoke clearly and eloquently when about to face Pattinson bowling 90mph. He put together a sensible innings with one of the most incredible shots you'll ever see: a switch hit over cover for 6... at the G!!!

He riled Gilly and Ponting and put them in their place. He made fun of Canberra which was funny. He's box office.

The irony of the Aussies calling him the Big Ego is comedy gold. England needed ego for, oh, about 20 years or so. Since Botham.

Along comes KP whose big ego helps to defeat Australia!!
By:
ThommosBucket
When: 10 Jan 15 13:55
Would never dispute his ability with the bat - world class at his best.

Not sure about putting Ponting in his place, Gilchrist maybe.

Personally I don't agree with miking up batsmen - fielders no problem and I think some of the chat with the captains and bowlers has been quite interesting. If a batsman gets hit 10 seconds after answering another daft question from the com box, there will be hell on.

I wouldn't have done it when I played - but someone muttering "don't get hit, don't get hit" is probably not great viewing anyway!
By:
donny osmond
When: 10 Jan 15 14:23
Ex-England batsman Kevin Pietersen says he wants to play against his former team during their tour of Australia.
England play a Prime Minister's XI in Canberra on Wednesday.
After hearing Mike Hussey was out injured, Pietersen said "Jeez, I fancy that", and added when asked if he was available: "I'm always available."
By:
DStyle
When: 10 Jan 15 16:13
presumably pissed (given that he's already announced on twitter that he was going out), he has just this very minute tweeted Tony Abbott confirming his availability.
By:
earlycrow
When: 10 Jan 15 22:22
There is a time and place to air your opinions, Kevin always found the wrong time and place
By:
kt22
When: 11 Jan 15 02:04

Jan 10, 2015 -- 1:44PM, Injera wrote:


I thought he was entertaining and broke up the inane chatter of the 3, yes 3 'commentators'.He spoke clearly and eloquently when about to face Pattinson bowling 90mph. He put together a sensible innings with one of the most incredible shots you'll ever see: a switch hit over cover for 6... at the G!!!He riled Gilly and Ponting and put them in their place. He made fun of Canberra which was funny. He's box office.The irony of the Aussies calling him the Big Ego is comedy gold. England needed ego for, oh, about 20 years or so. Since Botham.Along comes KP whose big ego helps to defeat Australia!!


I don't remember Australia not selecting him because of his "Big Ego"Was it not the ECB?

By:
Injera
When: 11 Jan 15 13:07
Australia sledged him with the 'Big Ego' name. It was a criticism of his personality.

The very same personality that played a key role in England's rise to Number 1 in the World.

Hence the irony of their criticism.
By:
BJT
When: 11 Jan 15 13:16
I think the irony, is that people remember him for helping them rise to number 1, but sack him from the team and they fall to 104 ranking points in tests and ODI, and 99 in T20, and somehow claim that he was bad for their team, and head into a world cup unlikely to win a game and haven't selected him to play.
By:
DStyle
When: 13 Jan 15 09:45
love him or hate him, he's destroyed and continues to destroy the ECB in the PR battle.

not that anyone from england hq will be watching the big bash.
By:
Only-the-Brave
When: 13 Jan 15 09:49
Criminal that he's not in the England side - think he's coming across well here with punter grilling him.
By:
DStyle
When: 13 Jan 15 09:53
very well.

the thing about the egos of Prior, Anderson, Broad and Swann serves as a good reminder about what arrogance actually is: when you confidence and self image are out of kilter with your ability.
By:
kt22
When: 13 Jan 15 10:46
With very few exceptions from what I have read it appears most Australians like his assessment and the English don't.No surprise there.

The ECB are well versed in "cutting off the nose to spite the face".

Oh and I think KP is porking FaulknerWink
By:
shadesof62
When: 18 Jan 15 00:27
The bravest thing the otherwise gutless ECB have done in years is push Pietersen away from the national side, at his best he was a brilliant hired hand who won tests even series for England, at his worst he was toxic! of late he has delivered only poison.

England can not re-build a team let alone a culture around such a player. The Australian system wouldn't have tolerated a character such as Pietersen even if he was a local, he would have had to tow the line or cool his heels playing in front of 80 people in the Shield. The ECB created the mess, the right thing to do was tidy it up.

And just a thought for all those big bash watchers gullible enough to be taken in by Pietersen's 'hale and hearty' media performances, you like so many others before you have been manipulated! if he hangs around for another ten years you'll change your tune.
By:
BJT
When: 18 Jan 15 03:45
Rubbish.  Your opinion is based on the rubbish fed to you.  The issue, as was pointed out by KP himself, is that he was a player happy to take the big pays in the Premier Leagues.

The simple fact is he didn't fit in with the clique in the team, who despised him because he was earning the money, and they weren't.  At some point, he became captain of the team.  Why is that?  When he became captain though, he didn't quieten down and play the tight quiet well spoken captain they wanted, he played the arrogant I can take this team to the top attitude.  Exactly what England needed, but couldn't handle.

Pietersen is the best batsmen England has seen for a long time, and won't again for a long time to come.  With the best, always comes arrogance.  England tried to tame that, and it cost them becoming a decent team.  They had the players that he could have taken to the top, but they chose against, and chose to blame all their problems on him.  They tried to tame him, and dictate a slow boring game out of him, which took away everything he was as a player.


How are you guys going without him?  Seriously?

And for the record, he would have easily played for Australia.  Australia don't try to tame players.  Have a look at Warner.  He was a T20 player encouraged to play test cricket.  An aggressive, arrogant player who always backed his scoring ability to take games away from the opposition.  Australia wouldn't try and tame that, because that is his strength as a player.


KP was Englands scapegoat because he wasn't afraid to say what he thought.  The fact that he was right, seems to have been lost on most.
By:
shadesof62
When: 18 Jan 15 05:40
BJT, I tend not to eat rubbish particularly when it is fed to me, I was merely expressing an opinion....... this is a forum it doesn't need an arbiter of truth.
By:
BJT
When: 18 Jan 15 08:15
And doesn't need media opinion passed off as your own either.
By:
shadesof62
When: 18 Jan 15 12:29
BJT, F.Y.I I'm not particularly parochial about Cricket, I love the game, and I like to have a bet, I stay out of discussions unless I feel strongly about a topic. It would seem that like me you also feel strongly about this topic, and as a mark of my respect I am not going to tear your arguments apart, however if you continue to demean me as a shallow plagiarist I will unleash the full length, width and breadth of my Cricketing knowledge.

I trust you won't let it come to that.
By:
Captain Wurzel
When: 18 Jan 15 13:12
The bravest thing the otherwise gutless ECB have done in years is push Pietersen away from the national side, at his best he was a brilliant hired hand who won tests even series for England, at his worst he was toxic! of late he has delivered only poison.



100% correct shades. BLT, has Warner texted opposition team members and slagged off his captain and told them the best way to get him out ?
If Warner had done that the Aussies would have kicked him out forever - England gave him a second chance and what did he do ? Continued behaving
like the prize tosspot he is - good riddance and if you lot want to swallow the sh1t he has come out with in the BBL good luck to you - I hope you've
found his comments entertaining - he will NEVER play for England again however much he bitches and moans.
By:
DStyle
When: 18 Jan 15 13:16
there's was no doubt he was disruptive, yes toxic sometimes, but the question remains: was he disrupting or poisoning an environment and approach which was preventing england from achieving everything it was capable of?

certainly flower's dogma, and dogma it was, became unstuck during the home series against south africa. and other things played out in that series as well, which makes you question whether bad behaviour was condoned if it came from Flowers' staunchest allies in the dressing room.

The loss against Pakistan could just about be written off against Ajmal's chucking, but the South Africa series cruelly exposed the limitations of the conservative and attritional approach which had got england to number 1 against unspectacular opponents. I vividly remember watching Broad bowl to Amla and Kallis at the end of day three at the Oval, and for three balls pulling out the extra cover and bowling full. after being hit for two fours the extra cover went straight back in. this was at 400 odd for 2 in a must win match. Yes suddenly the approach of risking boundaries to get wickets finally seemed to merit a gamble. Only for three balls though, after the horse had well and truly bolted.

Likewise the only time england came close to challenging South africa in that series was at Old Trafford and that was predominantly down to Kevin Pietersen batting with a wanton aggression that had he mistimed one early on would have been met no doubt by another stern telling from Gooch. And once again he was asked to bat as "recklessly" again in the 2nd innings to secure england a most unprobable win. All the while, his supposedly close teammates had been leaking bits and bobs to a parody twitter account.

He didn't fit into the side, but the question remains was that exclusively his fault? And certainly let's not credit the ECB with getting rid of him; Flower played Downton with embarrassing ease.
By:
DStyle
When: 18 Jan 15 13:17
and rather sadly i suspect Flintoff's involvement with england right now is, in part, a rather crass swideswipe at KP.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 18 Jan 15 14:00
shadesof62
18 Jan 15 12:29

BJT, F.Y.I I'm not particularly parochial about Cricket, I love the game, and I like to have a bet, I stay out of discussions unless I feel strongly about a topic. It would seem that like me you also feel strongly about this topic, and as a mark of my respect I am not going to tear your arguments apart, however if you continue to demean me as a shallow plagiarist I will unleash the full length, width and breadth of my Cricketing knowledge.

I trust you won't let it come to that.


Dude,

Never argue with an idiot. You can't win!

Anyone with an opinion is welcomed here. If you have an argument to make don't waste it, share it. Plenty of people love cricket here and even an opposing opinion is useful.

My own take on KP now is he is just like Tony bLiar's weapons of mass destruction. Most of us opposed the war, Knew the weapons of mass destruction were in fact tonka toys but once the troops were in we had to get behind them.

As much as I would have paid to watch KP bat I think he will never play for England again. I truly believe he is now irrelevant. He was always a gun for hire and we were lucky that his ineterests matched Englands for a long time. I think he may be past his best now. We shall see if he has recovered his knee.  I think he was a great professional, trained hard and proably set a great example. I also think he may well have been a bit of an a-hole who needed his head flushing down the toilet but that was not my business. Mine was to watch him bat and I did and he is the best I have ever seen bat for England. Better than Gower, Gooch and Boycott. I saw Cowdrey but not in the 60's!
By:
SecondComing
When: 18 Jan 15 14:30
shadesof62 • January 18, 2015 12:29 PM GMT
BJT, F.Y.I I'm not particularly parochial about Cricket, I love the game, and I like to have a bet, I stay out of discussions unless I feel strongly about a topic. It would seem that like me you also feel strongly about this topic, and as a mark of my respect I am not going to tear your arguments apart, however if you continue to demean me as a shallow plagiarist I will unleash the full length, width and breadth of my Cricketing knowledge.

I trust you won't let it come to that.



Ooooh **** yeah, now we are talking!

Give it to him shadesy ExcitedExcited
By:
BJT
When: 19 Jan 15 08:26

Jan 18, 2015 -- 1:12PM, Captain Wurzel wrote:


The bravest thing the otherwise gutless ECB have done in years is push Pietersen away from the national side, at his best he was a brilliant hired hand who won tests even series for England, at his worst he was toxic! of late he has delivered only poison. 100% correct shades. BLT, has Warner texted opposition team members and slagged off his captain and told them the best way to get him out ?If Warner had done that the Aussies would have kicked him out forever - England gave him a second chance and what did he do ? Continued behavinglike the prize tosspot he is - good riddance and if you lot want to swallow the sh1t he has come out with in the BBL good luck to you - I hope you've found his comments entertaining - he will NEVER play for England again however much he bitches and moans.


Give me a fcuking break.  If he can't handle somebody bowling around the wicket, then why the fcuk was he captain of an international cricket team.  Besides that, from my recollection, it was SA that suggested Strauss was carrying on like an idiot, to which he replied LOL.  FFS.  Seriously?

What a precious bunch of twats that would end somebodies career over that.  Well, internationally.  He has made 10 times the money outside of England that he would have with them.

Strauss is satisfied he gave no information on how to get him out anyway.  All that has been said, is somebody referred to him as an idiot, and KP didn't defend him.



And?



What a trouble making **** he is. 


The reality of high profiled sport, is that players need to be managed.  They are on super pay packets, idolised by millions, and if England failed him in their ability to promote him as a player they deemed fit for international cricket, then that it is on them.  But then, they didn't did they.  THEY MADE HIM CAPTAIN.

By:
BJT
When: 19 Jan 15 08:33

Jan 18, 2015 -- 12:29PM, shadesof62 wrote:


BJT, F.Y.I I'm not particularly parochial about Cricket, I love the game, and I like to have a bet, I stay out of discussions unless I feel strongly about a topic. It would seem that like me you also feel strongly about this topic, and as a mark of my respect I am not going to tear your arguments apart, however if you continue to demean me as a shallow plagiarist I will unleash the full length, width and breadth of my Cricketing knowledge. I trust you won't let it come to that.


Go to town.  Tear my arguments to shreds all you like.  Although I feel that if you had anything, you may have slipped a clue in somewhere rather than simply dismiss anything without relevance, as per the usual theme of this forum.


Let's see all the quotes of all the toxicity. 

The whole, KP was toxic to the team environment, just doesn't cut it.  If that was the case, they would have flourished without him.  They are now at their lowest point in probably decades, and their best ever batsmen, is cleaning up in all the T20 tournaments around the world, playing zero international cricket.  For all the toxic remarks about him and dragging teams down, there is no shortage of people lining up ready to have him play for them.

KP was the problem for the England cricket team.  He was the reason they were failing on the field.  Well he is long gone.  So now what is the problem?  Or should I say who is the problem?

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