Jul 21, 2014 -- 1:04PM, kingmax wrote:

so when do england shut up shop

toughie as the next few batsmen are attacking players!

Jul 21, 2014 -- 1:12PM, sideshowbob wrote:

i lay the draw all the time, when everybody else is backing it. i layed it the other day when all the rain was forecast cos i thought there was a decent chance it would miss and even if it didnt, i could see a result. but i wouldnt lay the draw at this point in a million years. i cut all my draw red last night at 21 and 20, right now the draw looks well overpriced at 14.0. everybody obsessed with this "if theyre still batting, theyll get there" idea, but the truth is england would bite your hand off at a draw. if it gets late in the day and theyre 7 or 8 down, the run rate could be 1 an over. sure the draw is unlikely, but not 14.0 unlikely. maybe 7 or 8 unlikely. wont be backing it, purely cos its the least likely result of the 3, but i wouldnt put anybody off taking a cheeky punt on it.

Agree, they should of tried to get the runs in 60 overs. Trying to get them in 90 overs on the last day opens you up to more wicket taking deliveries. If they needed 100 now with 4 wickets left, they would have more of a chance imo. The ball wasn't doing much for a period then & both batsmen were in. Should have taken the bull by the horns

Jul 21, 2014 -- 1:29PM, Sudoku_Junior wrote:

Irrespective of the result of this game. We are far too 'english' in our approach to player selection, coaching and tactics. We aim to remove any aspect of flair and excitement from our game for some reason that to be quite frank is just beyond explanation. This isn't a problem that is exclusive to test match cricket, you can probably see it more so in one day cricket. We are light years behind in our approach when compared to some of the lesser cricketing nations.

same with footie. all natural flair coached out at an early age