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lanza
28 Mar 14 21:00
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who's everyone's last 4's then?

Been so lucky so far to have traded out on a few positions at ok times.

Would love to somehow get ind v sri lanka and windies v eng but i just want windies through for now!

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By:
twizzle22
When: 29 Mar 14 09:26
Brilliant watching the Windies play but i think Pakistan will turn them over.Not the same team against a quality bowling team..mind you.. hope im wrong.You gotta love the West Indies passion.
By:
johnnythebull
When: 29 Mar 14 10:23
actually give NZ a good chance of turning over SL,so assuming they beat the Dutch(not necessarily a fait accompli) they would be grp winners.also,reckon Eng have a shot at beating the Saffer choke machine leaving Eng & SL on 4 pts but Lanka going thru on better r/r.
Also of the view Pak can beat Windies but would have 2 win well & beat up on Bangla 2 surpass the present r/r deficit vis-a-vis Windies.
just got a feeling whoever qualifies of the 2 goes all the way.
brilliant tournie so far.really enjoyed.
f*** manure/AV,i'll be watching the cricket.
might not even tape the fitba.well over hyped.
best part of the match will be the flyover pre-match but given 2day's PC,might elect not 2 show it.
By:
twizzle22
When: 29 Mar 14 11:07
Great post johnny..couldn't have put it better myself.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 14 11:22
wouldn't be surprised to see the pakis throw the towel in against bangla, another no bet for me on that one!
By:
Only-the-Brave
When: 29 Mar 14 11:49
India vs SA
Sri Lanka vs Pakistan
By:
johnnythebull
When: 29 Mar 14 12:04
the latter could actually be the final
By:
lanza
When: 31 Mar 14 19:04
Ind.. + 3.5k
SA 0
Sr 0
WI....+ 6.5k
pak0


Windies still bigger than the prices i took on them after last years ipl Sad

Hoping windies win and i can hold off laying india. 

What prices we reckon if windies do make it?

india 3.0
sl  3.5
sa  5.0
windies 5.5

102%.... just thinking about getting a windies lay in ready should they get on top at any point.
By:
lanza
When: 31 Mar 14 19:07
windies already second on rr..... think im gonna start the rain dance now!
By:
johnnythebull
When: 31 Mar 14 19:34
u could have both finalists LANZA & be sitting uber pretty
OR u could have none
2 smaller money than u i'm on PAK/WI & SL
meaning i'm guaranteed 2 have 1 finalist but was rather hoping 4 2.
IND looking v good but yet 2 be put under the cosh
didn't do them pre tournie cos just had a feeling don't like it up 'em
but that could be levelled at nearly every team tbf.
was impressed with the SL response 2 their pitiful batting display
but was also impressed by Windies & pak who if either continue 2 fire r gonna be well hard 2 beat
GL.
By:
lanza
When: 31 Mar 14 21:22
yeah....could all go belly up tomor.  Just hoping for an early badree wicket, some wreckless akmal (karman) batting / running or an initial gayle blitz for 5 overs.

would be happy to get me windies stake back but i dont think il get the price im after probably until after they possibly win.

Will probably get some stake back should they go 5.0 and then hope india shorten / beat the saffers and level out.  (well - thats the plan)
By:
johnnythebull
When: 31 Mar 14 21:34
LANZA
PAK r just under 7/1 o/r
could u not back them as a saver 2 get ur WI stake back if they were 2 win 2moro?
u know wot,m8,just got a funny feeling in my craw that the Saffers could prove v problematical if they click
By:
lanza
When: 31 Mar 14 21:53
mmnnn  iv fancied windies since last yr...and im worried about pak but i cant bring myself to bet them.

im hoping windies touch 5.0 and il take about 800 quid.

india +4.3k
sa +800
sl + 800
windies +3.3k
pak + 800

and then maybe have a saver at 15 or 20/1 pak for 50 /100 quid.   Then time to think about greening out india.  fingers crossed.
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 09:25
funny team sa.

should have beaten sri lanka
should have lost to holland
should have lost to nz
england were poor

amala still not a t20 opener to me
quinton poor in sub-c conditions
faf.... good for a 20
AB.....only truly world class batsmen but should be in early
jp.....reliable bat...underrated bowler V non-asians
miller.....hit or miss
morkel / fab....hit or miss
parnell...under rated bowler / handy lower order bat
steyn.....Only truly world class bowler in all conditions
morkel / ??...good bowler
Imran t...good bowler in these conditions.


Looking at the bowling, you'd think they shouldnt concede the runs, with steyn / imran / parnell / m-morkel, would favor jp to bowl over albie but with the sides left in you'd fancy them to play him well.  If imran has a bad day then sa will go as he's been almost their best bowler so far and kept them in most games.

Their batting for me is their weakest area!  id have picked kallis over a-morkel (has kallis retired from all formats) as a floater or even instead of amla.  Similar type player but you'd have his overs.

Where's levy gone?  (has he been worked out /leg side hacker)

A few other power hitters / bowlers about but they seem to like m-morkel.

Id fancy india to take them out tho.
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 16:01
2 good knocks by bravo and sammy...  over to narine and badree....come on lads!!!!  tweeked a little.
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 16:39
gave a little away topping up at 21 / 34 / 46  only for a few quid each time  along with a cheeky w.i match odds lay at 1.07
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 17:00
happy the 'good' pak team turned up today! phew.
By:
johnnythebull
When: 01 Apr 14 17:40
u had a result there LANZA
wasn't looking 2 good early doors tho'
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 17:50
yeah.... bit lucky and even more so not to panic and get some windies lay backs when they were in trouble.  Took a 100 at 7.0 and put it on pak before the game, then had a few quid as pak drifted to the high 40's. 

Topped up with a cheap windies match odds lay looking for some fight / some insurance but nothing came.  Over all very happy.  Laid Windies as the price came down 6, 5 and some 4.5.

Hoping my 3.1 on india goes now and then lanka / sa will be atleast small winners.

Might keep an eye on Windies / india final price  now for a little angle at an edge?
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 18:00
sri lanka 3.45.... windies 4.6 outright.   

Seems wrong way round to me! but there we go. Won the world t20 meeting, won the last match a week or so ago.....very comfortable.

Go...team windies. CoolGrin  Hope they win the toss, post another 160+ score and bully and strangle the life out of the lankans!

I want a big pitch, large playing area and watch as the littler sri lankas get caught on the rope trying to clear it.
By:
johnnythebull
When: 01 Apr 14 18:03
u know what? LANZA
just got a bit of a gut feeling SA might turn IND over
& SL/WI wouldn't like 2 callit
but think winner of that takes it o/r
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 18:05
anyone reading this?  i think there's free money in the top 4 bat market.  Iv spoken with betfair and they tell me that the qualifying games  by the dutch will not count for the purpose of the market.  (feel free to check with betfair)

so... cooper  who someone thinks is leading and should make the top 4....wont because the runs in the first few associate games will not count.  Iv laid as much as i can but someone has twigged on and pushing the price up now.

I think he has about 80 runs now and so miles behind.

Enjoy!
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 01 Apr 14 18:10
market states a start date of 16/3/ 2014

that is the date of the first associate matches

so id have a strong feeling they are included

id be very careful , and check your info with betfair
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 18:11
cooper 80....but 231 including earlier games
myberg 106...but 224
shakib 105...but 186
anamul 72....but 184

kholi 170
hales 166
amla  163
finch 158

sharma 147
jp 142
gayle 140
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 18:15
i did twice... and got told twice that they wouldnt.

i spoke with someone who asked... went away / came back and said im sorry...no they wont count.

lol...i hope iv not been stitched up by them?   but i was given a number of our conversation where the supervisor told me they wouldnt.

getting nervous now yhtl. Sad
By:
johnnythebull
When: 01 Apr 14 18:24
what price(s) did u lay him at?
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 18:42
evens / 6/4....   the 100/30's been there ages.
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 18:52
7/2 gone Shocked
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 19:11
just checked again ....and betfair again confirmed the associate phase is deemed as the qualification phase for the super 10's and for the purpose of this market only runs scored in the super 10 will count.

im -800 / +540.  Cooper in last 4. I should go in again but will settle for that now.
By:
skm1197
When: 01 Apr 14 19:35
Would they not have taken Tom Cooper out the market then ? he is still there
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 20:23
iv asked them to look into it now skm.  will know shortly either way.   I will not be too pleased having asked them 3 times how many runs has cooper got? and being told the associates runs dont count.

still lots of 2.3 there for those who want to take it?
By:
ThePig
When: 01 Apr 14 23:23
***ALL BETS STAND RUN OR NOT***

Other selections will be added on request. Runs scored in any tournament qualifying matches and/or Super Overs DO NOT count for the purposes of this market. Dead Heat rules apply.

What do they mean about qualifying matches though? Bangladesh v Afghanistan was officially match number 1 of the world cup, and they are settling off the ICC stats page. Maybe the qualifying matches refer to the matches weeks ago for qualifying?
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 23:35
when iv spoken to the helpdesk, they came back and said the runs scored in the associate matches do not count for the purpose of this market. 

they basically said holland / bangladesh qualified from the associate groups for the super 10 phase and its only the runs scored in the super 10 that count.

And thats what iv gone on. Sad Iv had 2 emails back, 2 live chats and they keep telling me that the runs scored by cooper against the associates will not count.  yet he's still being bet?

I think it obvious that the runs scored in the dubai tournament wouldnt count for the bangladesh tourny.  Its quite misleading now either way.

I do remember an occasion ....It was like this before in a champions league t20 tourney where rampaul took lots of wickets for t+t in the qualifying phase and t+t made it through.  Then he took some more wickets in the main tourney and one or two people heavily bet him as he appeared to be way in front.  But when you took out those qualifying wickets he was 1 behind.  Iv been a bit braver this time, hoping for the same ruling.
By:
ThePig
When: 01 Apr 14 23:42
i think you'll be ok. If not you have a case for compensation imo from poor information. Badly written rules.  Only 365 offering at the mo, and qualifiers are included there 100%
By:
lanza
When: 01 Apr 14 23:59
going on what iv been told in the emails and live chat... im hoping im ok.......... i think il be ok. Shocked

(i did email in and ask in the rampaul example and they confirmed then that the earlier wickets didn't count)  but when you think you're right and the money is seemingly coming and coming against what you've been told its abit strange and hard to pull the plug.

iv sent another email with my first reply i got...asking why cooper hasnt been settled given they previously stated the runs wouldnt count and waiting for a reply. Sad 

as for bet 365..... it probably does them a favor...i wouldnt mind laying their cooper price, given i think one or 2 might get up and still beat his 231 but if the associate runs count then i cant see him getting pushed from top 4.

iv made contact several times now, had responses from several people at different times all saying they would not count.  lol.  off to ibas if they do!  haha Sad
By:
lanza
When: 02 Apr 14 00:05
this got me a little miffed now!  this is the email i had back on the 26th march.

Dear xxxx,

Thank you for your e-mail.

Please see below the rules and regulations for the Top batsmen market:

Which batsman will score the most runs during this tournament? At the start of play in the first match of the tournament all unmatched bets will be cancelled and the market re-opened. This market will not be actively managed therefore it is the responsibility of all customers to manage their positions.

***ALL BETS STAND RUN OR NOT***

Other selections will be added on request. Runs scored in any tournament qualifying matches and/or Super Overs DO NOT count for the purposes of this market. Dead Heat rules apply.



As highlighted in the bottom section of the Rules it states that qualifying matches do not count towards the total.

If you have any further enquiries, please do not hesitate to contact us again, or check the frequently asked questions on our Help and Learning site http://en.learning.betfair.com/app/home.

Kind regards,

Ryan Richards

Betfair Helpdesk
...............................................................

.........hence why i nearly fell over trying to snap up the evens that appeared as iv only got him scoring 80 in the 4 matches in the super 10's?  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn  will see tomorrow.
By:
skm1197
When: 02 Apr 14 09:13
Lanza hope they are right for you, but something does not seem right. If Tommy Cooper cant win the market and all other dutch players have been taken out, then why not him? Im thinking 9/1 might be a bet. If anyone catches him probably only kholi or Sharma or possibly Gayle going crazy. Its seemingly getting harder to score runs.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 02 Apr 14 09:30
there were qualifying matches before the matches that started on 16/3/2014

i think you need an email confirming games played on 16/3, 17/3 etc are not
going to be counted before you can be sure

good luck
By:
skm1197
When: 02 Apr 14 09:40
Think your right YHTL as the official ICC site has Tommy Cooper leading and thats what they are using to determine the result
By:
ThePig
When: 02 Apr 14 14:41
they will settle off ICC top runscorer. All 32 matches count.
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