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Surprisingly, it has been 16 Tests and 16 years since a draw here, and that match was low scoring, so presumably heavily rain affected.
To early to get a reliable weather forecast, but I'm laying the draw on the principle there will be more changes to the England team lineup than there will be to the weather forecast.
Can't see Aus easing up, with a 5-0 whitewash in sight.
Predictions for Eng team changes?
To early to get a reliable weather forecast, but I'm laying the draw on the principle there will be more changes to the England team lineup than there will be to the weather forecast.
Can't see Aus easing up, with a 5-0 whitewash in sight.
Predictions for Eng team changes?
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England look flat, their body language has been poor. They dont look like they want to be there
How long was it that England were the number one ranked Test team in the world? Was it last summer? Now, we're on the verge of losing 5-0 to an average - at best - team, and getting utterly thumped at that. So far, it's 381 runs, 218 runs, 150 runs, and about to be something like nine wickets.
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England look flat, their body language has been poor. They dont look like they want to be there
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that's been the case since half way through the second test. after the shock and denial had warn off, most of them have looked like they'd be secretly pleased to pull a muscle and get home early.
England look flat, their body language has been poor. They dont look like they want to be there
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that's been the case since half way through the second test. after the shock and denial had warn off, most of them have looked like they'd be secretly pleased to pull a muscle and get home early.
Now, we're on the verge of losing 5-0 to an average - at best - team
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think that's a bit unfair. aus's batting's no great shakes, but two of their bowlers have been really excellent, and haddin's been impressive too.
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think that's a bit unfair. aus's batting's no great shakes, but two of their bowlers have been really excellent, and haddin's been impressive too.
23 people viewing this thread ... be a couple of thousand if england get a quick couple of wickets, all of them "on" #barmyarmy
if England get a few quick wickets the vermin will rise from the depths
Ball has been typically doing something about now, so a chance to get a few wickets. But our tail don't lie down. Take Lyon for instance. England have yet to get him out this series. Averaging over 30 against them.
Our number 11, averaging 32.5 or something for the last 2 series. Fair enough he isn't getting bulk runs, but more than capable of tying up an end.
And that is if England were even still there. I suspect their spirit is already planning what they are doing tonight since they don't have cricket for another week.
Really, they have been waiting for reverse swing. That is their whole theme. Wait for something to be handed to them, rather than going and getting it and creating it.
Our number 11, averaging 32.5 or something for the last 2 series. Fair enough he isn't getting bulk runs, but more than capable of tying up an end.
And that is if England were even still there. I suspect their spirit is already planning what they are doing tonight since they don't have cricket for another week.
Really, they have been waiting for reverse swing. That is their whole theme. Wait for something to be handed to them, rather than going and getting it and creating it.
For the record, considering our number 11 is averaging 32.5, what are the averages of the England team? Are any better than our number 11?
Bit of late inswing there. Could be dangerous if he gets the line right....
this has to be one of the worst england teams, at least the oldies ramprakas, atherton, hick, fraser, use to have some fight
sitting listening to the obituaries with 1.01 still available. get the feeling gower et al will change their tune if there's a wicket or two ...
How many more sly or not so sly digs at the Poms can Chapps get in before his current stint in the box is done?
£21 matched at 189/1 for 5-0. can kiss that goodnight.
there must be alot of inhouse fighting among the english,,,cook should be rounded up by the player
We are the Army, the Barmy Army, We are Mental , But we are Men, We are the loyalist, Cricket supporters, that the world has ever had
in fairness to Cook, the idea of a 4.2 run rate is so foreign to him he does not know what to do. Must think it's a 20/20
We are the Army, the Barmy Army, We are Mental , But we are Men, We are the loyalist, Cricket supporters, that the world has ever had
We are the Army, the Barmy Army, We are Mental , But we are Men, We are the loyalist, Cricket supporters, that the world has ever had
We are the Army, the Barmy Army, We are Mental , But we are Men, We are the loyalist, Cricket supporters, that the world has ever had
Dec 29, 2013 -- 2:41AM, West Coast Eagles wrote:
Rogers NAILED ON to get 100
NEVER IN DOUBT
That was a really good knock, albeit with absolutely no pressure applied
well deserved, one of those guys who absolutely smashed up runs in first class cricket but couldn't get a gig while Ponting and the likes were playing
the whole series has just looked so FIXED,,there will be a few players quiting after this series,,never in my life after seeing countless test series involving any team have i seen a performance so bad,,,australia cant take anything from this series if they think they can become No 1 in the world,,,,afghanistan would have put up a similar display,,,,
Rogers has almost 21,000 runs at 49.64, 63 100's in first class
the thing is, I cant think of too many players apart from Cook who look like leadership material to me
There is no reason Cook's services should be retained for the next Test or future Tests. At the very least, the captaincy should be taken from him and he reverts to just being a batsmen. Completely out of his depth as a tactician.
the 1.01 layers are out there.
they know who they are.
they're waiting.
silently.
shhhhh .....
they know who they are.
they're waiting.
silently.
shhhhh .....
cant move on after this,,,apart from his mates ,cook has lost total res
cant move on after this,,,apart from his mates ,cook has lost total respect of the players,,,there is deffo something going on,,,trott,was he really ill? i wonder,,,,peiterson will be next
it's all your fault - you're dropped.
can't drop me - i've retired.
can't drop me - i've retired.
you would expect a international team to at least get some wickets 4th innings
cook and co must have made a lot of dosh from this series
any chance ravi bopara get drafted in for the 5th test match
hi guys this is a bit of a stupid question to be asking on here. But I have an ipad and want to be able to connect a USB through it (it doesnt have a specific USB portal). Do any of you guys know if you but an adapter which can accept the USB through to the ipad?
1.01 merchants are still thinking "if we can just get one" ...
Monty to bowl his 5th over with 32 run required and 9 wickets in hand. Well done cook, well done. Monty should head butt him.
wce - yeah, there are really cheap adapters that'll do it. this lok like it would work for you?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-Connection-USB-Keyboard-Pictures/dp/B004TA6RS6/ref=pd_sim_computers_1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-Connection-USB-Keyboard-Pictures/dp/B004TA6RS6/ref=pd_sim_computers_1
Inquests beginning . As a team England have failed to fire on any cylinders . Hard to see anything but 5-0 for series . They will presumably give Rankin and Tremlett a match in Sydney .
Trott left a gap which has not been filled . Not into statistics etc , but for a good few years he did contribute a lot .
Trott left a gap which has not been filled . Not into statistics etc , but for a good few years he did contribute a lot .
200+ for 2.
That test has just been one big taking of the Michael by Australia.
That test has just been one big taking of the Michael by Australia.
congrats Clarke on reaching 8,000 Test match runs
next game all to play for, If Australia Win or Draw in Sydney, Australia overtake England in ICC rankings. If England win, then they still remain above Australia in the rankings
the 1.03 merchants are still thinking - if we can get one ...
Dec 28, 2013 -- 12:39AM, Biscuit1979 wrote:
Remarkable stuff, these aussies have never seen a run rate like it!
Hmmmm
right then, just in time for the UFC.
cage fighting will seem quite gentle after that.
cage fighting will seem quite gentle after that.
Where is everybody that was hanging onto the "combined series is 3-3" so England will be in front?
Mugs....
Mugs....
NO why did you bowl root instead of panesar.
that's the question.
that's the question.
Shocking captain, sending them in to bowl first, knocking them over for 434 for 2 innings, and winning by 8 wickets. Batted first they would be on their way to declaring and setting England a 600 runs chase.
As I said. Send them in first, and you don't need to waste time making unneeded runs.
some baffling stuff by england to compound their cricketing ineptitude
well played austrailia all the same, job well done
well played austrailia all the same, job well done
Dec 29, 2013 -- 11:42AM, donny osmond wrote:
4-3 win to aussies in 2013 !!
We are quite happy to play another 5.Will you blokes have enough players left?
Heads must roll in the England setup which starts with Flower.
The test was all but over , England must have got to very short quote and then blew it== again
They have had the upper hand many times in the series and blown it,
From and outsider looking in, the team appears to be a team with internal division lack of commitment and inflated egos
They have had the upper hand many times in the series and blown it,
From and outsider looking in, the team appears to be a team with internal division lack of commitment and inflated egos
Feel sorry for Cook , he is doing all the interviews and the back room guys are all hiding .
Some of the poor performance from England is down to him , but the figures show few of the England middle order down can stay at the crease consistently with fast bowling thundering down on them . And the Aussies have fed of that .
England dont have a ready made alternative captain . Statistically Pietersen is their best batsman this series , but can anyone see him as captain ?
Some of the poor performance from England is down to him , but the figures show few of the England middle order down can stay at the crease consistently with fast bowling thundering down on them . And the Aussies have fed of that .
England dont have a ready made alternative captain . Statistically Pietersen is their best batsman this series , but can anyone see him as captain ?
That was my suggestion, but won't happen. Doesn't really matter who, Cook has to go. The number of times we as viewers had to sit there and watch 4-5 involved in a discussion on field, bowling changes etc is just ridiculous. There was even occassions where alongside the 3-4 with the bowler, there were also a couple of groups of 2 just having a chat.
What the hell do they have to talk about? This isn't a mothers club.
Now if Cook is simply a figurehead of the "leadership group", then clearly it isn't working. They need somebody that can read a game, and make decisions. The captain is after all the one in charge of the team outside of the coach.
They need somebody with a bit of backbone and somebody prepared to demand respect from his team. Not somebody that openly admits he is unable to make a decision on his own, and if he does, it is generally wrong.
Can only imagine the motivational talks he gives before going out to the pitch. I do recall him walking out 15 metres ahead of Carberry with not a word spoken, faced up, and the game was underway without him talking a word to his partner.
There really should already be plans in place. And there should be enough knowledge from the captain to make in play decisions. There is every reason to expect others to notice things in the field and make a suggestion, but those people are going to be straight, not in the outfield. People like the wicketkeeper, and maybe the slips. Now with Cook being a slip fielder, anything picked up should already be talked about in the slips as play is going on. If they are changing the field from there, all that really needs to happen, is he changes his field. They don't need 3-4 or even 5 people at the bowlers run up discussing the plan. The bowlers should know from their field what the plan is and where he needs to bowl. The bowler should generally be bowling to the captains orders, not to his own.
There are serious egos at play here, and the captain isn't one of them. If he can't pull them in line and get them playing for him, then he isn't the man for the job. Simple as that.
Everybody loves to go on about the divide between Clarke and certain players, but he is a captain. Aggressive, decisive, and will stand behind any decision he makes. He opens up a lot of games to be beaten, but what he is really doing, is saying to his team, I believe we can get this done, and this is how we have to do it.
Cook? He will sit there and wait til somebody else decides what he needs to do to win the game.
Anybody can do that. Anybody can be involved in a discussion between 5 for the decisions on the fly.
Cook is a decent batsman, but he certainly isn't a captain.
Be interested to know his stats as captain. Clarke for example averages about 45 I think as a player, and 65 as a captain...
Quite simply, somebody needs to take charge.
As they say, too many Cooks, spoils the broth......
What the hell do they have to talk about? This isn't a mothers club.
Now if Cook is simply a figurehead of the "leadership group", then clearly it isn't working. They need somebody that can read a game, and make decisions. The captain is after all the one in charge of the team outside of the coach.
They need somebody with a bit of backbone and somebody prepared to demand respect from his team. Not somebody that openly admits he is unable to make a decision on his own, and if he does, it is generally wrong.
Can only imagine the motivational talks he gives before going out to the pitch. I do recall him walking out 15 metres ahead of Carberry with not a word spoken, faced up, and the game was underway without him talking a word to his partner.
There really should already be plans in place. And there should be enough knowledge from the captain to make in play decisions. There is every reason to expect others to notice things in the field and make a suggestion, but those people are going to be straight, not in the outfield. People like the wicketkeeper, and maybe the slips. Now with Cook being a slip fielder, anything picked up should already be talked about in the slips as play is going on. If they are changing the field from there, all that really needs to happen, is he changes his field. They don't need 3-4 or even 5 people at the bowlers run up discussing the plan. The bowlers should know from their field what the plan is and where he needs to bowl. The bowler should generally be bowling to the captains orders, not to his own.
There are serious egos at play here, and the captain isn't one of them. If he can't pull them in line and get them playing for him, then he isn't the man for the job. Simple as that.
Everybody loves to go on about the divide between Clarke and certain players, but he is a captain. Aggressive, decisive, and will stand behind any decision he makes. He opens up a lot of games to be beaten, but what he is really doing, is saying to his team, I believe we can get this done, and this is how we have to do it.
Cook? He will sit there and wait til somebody else decides what he needs to do to win the game.
Anybody can do that. Anybody can be involved in a discussion between 5 for the decisions on the fly.
Cook is a decent batsman, but he certainly isn't a captain.
Be interested to know his stats as captain. Clarke for example averages about 45 I think as a player, and 65 as a captain...
Quite simply, somebody needs to take charge.
As they say, too many Cooks, spoils the broth......
some of cooks decisions have been awful
may as well bring boycott back for 5 th test, such is the paucity of likely captains
may as well bring boycott back for 5 th test, such is the paucity of likely captains
Cook has proven he isn't a good captain - does he receive enough respect from the players - I don't know. He needs to be far more ruthless but it isn't in his character from what I see. He should be demanding more from the coaching staff and the director of cricket who haven't been seen since things have gone so wrong - ultimately they have overall responsibility and the captain on the field follows their instructions. We need someone who will make strong decisions on and off the field, after all they are the fall guy when it doesn't work. That said for the life of me I cannot immediately see anybody with that strength of character within the team or the counties - Brearley wasn't a great player but his captaincy was first class; perhaps in the short team we need to find someone similar who can organise and dictate the structure of the team with specific aims; simply to get the best out of what you have - Cook clearly fails in this respect
From watching the Sky pundits debate s yesterday , everyone seemed to agree it was the batting that let England down ( not necessarily my view ) . If that is correct , Cook cant be blamed for that , other than his own figures .
Reference on field captaincy ( when bowling side ) , Cook is not a great captain , have to agree with that . But in current selection , is there a captain in the England team better than Cook ?
Disarray . Bad time to be making long term decisions !
Reference on field captaincy ( when bowling side ) , Cook is not a great captain , have to agree with that . But in current selection , is there a captain in the England team better than Cook ?
Disarray . Bad time to be making long term decisions !
Dec 30, 2013 -- 2:38PM, Kelly wrote:
From watching the Sky pundits debate s yesterday , everyone seemed to agree it was the batting that let England down ( not necessarily my view ) . If that is correct , Cook cant be blamed for that , other than his own figures .Reference on field captaincy ( when bowling side ) , Cook is not a great captain , have to agree with that . But in current selection , is there a captain in the England team better than Cook ?Disarray . Bad time to be making long term decisions !
Yes, and if it was the batting, does the captain still not play a part? He plays for draws. He plays for time. That is his goal, to wait it out until an opportunity is handed to him. That is the message he sends to the team with his captaincy, and whether he is the messenger, or the decision maker, that filters through the team.
Is the suggestion that when a player is batting, he is not batting to the team goals? Pietersen has it drummed into him that he must conform. Take a look at the difference between when Cook is his partner in the middle, to when he isn't. Completely different player, to name but one example.
Cook is toxic to the team, in every way.
Would they play for Pietersen? Not sure, but I don't think it would take long for his aggressive nature to make its way through the team. When you take the game on, and things start going your way, great things are possible. When you leave the fate of your team in the oppositions hands, then you require them to fail to prosper.
Australia lost the last series because they failed at the wrong times. They won this series because they didn't.
Either way, the series was decided by the actions of Australia, not England. I don't think that is up for debate.
peterson would be a better captain.......but its a no go
surely broad or anderson would be better captainns.......but we seem to like batsmen captains
not many batsmen sure of their place these days
what about giving kieswetter a go ?
bell would seem to be next in line at the mo, but i havnt seen any reason to think he would do a better job
surely broad or anderson would be better captainns.......but we seem to like batsmen captains
not many batsmen sure of their place these days
what about giving kieswetter a go ?
bell would seem to be next in line at the mo, but i havnt seen any reason to think he would do a better job
bottom line is,they are **** scared even with all that protection,bring back brian close...
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