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By:
viva el presidente!
When: 29 Dec 13 03:05
wce - yeah, there are really cheap adapters that'll do it. this lok like it would work for you?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-Connection-USB-Keyboard-Pictures/dp/B004TA6RS6/ref=pd_sim_computers_1
By:
Kelly
When: 29 Dec 13 03:06
Inquests beginning . As a team England have failed to fire on any cylinders . Hard to see anything but 5-0 for series .  They will presumably give Rankin and Tremlett a match in Sydney .

Trott left a gap which has not been filled .  Not into statistics etc , but for a good few years he did contribute a lot .
By:
betchat
When: 29 Dec 13 03:08
200+ for 2.

That test has just been one big taking of the Michael by Australia.
By:
West Coast Eagles
When: 29 Dec 13 03:17
congrats Clarke on reaching 8,000 Test match runs
By:
West Coast Eagles
When: 29 Dec 13 03:19
6th Australian to reach this landmark
By:
West Coast Eagles
When: 29 Dec 13 03:20
next game all to play for, If Australia Win or Draw in Sydney, Australia overtake England in ICC rankings. If England win, then they still remain above Australia in the rankings
By:
slip5
When: 29 Dec 13 03:21
lazy andersen
By:
hulk23
When: 29 Dec 13 03:23
the 1.03 merchants are still thinking - if we can get one ...
By:
JustWinBaby
When: 29 Dec 13 03:27
AUS leads the series 4-0
By:
BJT
When: 29 Dec 13 03:29

Dec 28, 2013 -- 12:39AM, Biscuit1979 wrote:


Remarkable stuff, these aussies have never seen a run rate like it!


Hmmmm

By:
viva el presidente!
When: 29 Dec 13 03:29
right then, just in time for the UFC.

cage fighting will seem quite gentle after that.
By:
BJT
When: 29 Dec 13 03:31
Where is everybody that was hanging onto the  "combined series is 3-3" so England will be in front?


Mugs....
By:
DStyle
When: 29 Dec 13 03:45
NO why did you bowl root instead of panesar.

that's the question.
By:
DStyle
When: 29 Dec 13 03:45
ffs nicholas, press the point home.
By:
slip5
When: 29 Dec 13 03:46
barmy army happy losers
By:
DStyle
When: 29 Dec 13 03:57
derpy looks close to losing it.
By:
BJT
When: 29 Dec 13 06:37
Shocking captain, sending them in to bowl first, knocking them over for 434 for 2 innings, and winning by 8 wickets.  Batted first they would be on their way to declaring and setting England a 600 runs chase.
By:
BJT
When: 29 Dec 13 06:38
As I said.  Send them in first, and you don't need to waste time making unneeded runs.
By:
donny osmond
When: 29 Dec 13 11:41
some baffling stuff by england to compound their cricketing ineptitude




well played austrailia all the same, job well done
By:
donny osmond
When: 29 Dec 13 11:42
4-3 win to aussies in 2013 !!
By:
kt22
When: 29 Dec 13 11:56

Dec 29, 2013 -- 11:42AM, donny osmond wrote:


4-3 win to aussies in 2013 !!


We are quite happy to play another 5.Will you blokes have enough players left?

By:
JustWinBaby
When: 29 Dec 13 20:44
Heads must roll in the England setup which starts with Flower.
By:
Barney The Bot Slayer
When: 29 Dec 13 23:41
The test was all but over , England must have got to very short quote and then blew it== again
They have had the upper hand many times in the series and blown it,

From and outsider looking in, the team appears to be a team with internal division lack of commitment and inflated egos
By:
Kelly
When: 30 Dec 13 00:18
Feel sorry for Cook , he is doing all the interviews and the back room guys are all hiding .

Some of the poor performance from England is down to him , but the figures show few of the England middle order down can stay at the crease consistently with fast bowling thundering down on them .  And the Aussies have fed of that .

England dont have a ready made alternative captain . Statistically Pietersen is their best batsman this series , but can anyone see him as captain ?
By:
BJT
When: 30 Dec 13 08:36
That was my suggestion, but won't happen.  Doesn't really matter who, Cook has to go.  The number of times we as viewers had to sit there and watch 4-5 involved in a discussion on field, bowling changes etc is just ridiculous.  There was even occassions where alongside the 3-4 with the bowler, there were also a couple of groups of 2 just having a chat.
What the hell do they have to talk about?  This isn't a mothers club.

Now if Cook is simply a figurehead of the "leadership group", then clearly it isn't working.  They need somebody that can read a game, and make decisions.  The captain is after all the one in charge of the team outside of the coach.
They need somebody with a bit of backbone and somebody prepared to demand respect from his team.  Not somebody that openly admits he is unable to make a decision on his own, and if he does, it is generally wrong.

Can only imagine the motivational talks he gives before going out to the pitch.  I do recall him walking out 15 metres ahead of Carberry with not a word spoken, faced up, and the game was underway without him talking a word to his partner.

There really should already be plans in place.  And there should be enough knowledge from the captain to make in play decisions.  There is every reason to expect others to notice things in the field and make a suggestion, but those people are going to be straight, not in the outfield.  People like the wicketkeeper, and maybe the slips.  Now with Cook being a slip fielder, anything picked up should already be talked about in the slips as play is going on.  If they are changing the field from there, all that really needs to happen, is he changes his field.  They don't need 3-4 or even 5 people at the bowlers run up discussing the plan.  The bowlers should know from their field what the plan is and where he needs to bowl.  The bowler should generally be bowling to the captains orders, not to his own.

There are serious egos at play here, and the captain isn't one of them.  If he can't pull them in line and get them playing for him, then he isn't the man for the job.  Simple as that.

Everybody loves to go on about the divide between Clarke and certain players, but he is a captain.  Aggressive, decisive, and will stand behind any decision he makes.  He opens up a lot of games to be beaten, but what he is really doing, is saying to his team, I believe we can get this done, and this is how we have to do it.
Cook?  He will sit there and wait til somebody else decides what he needs to do to win the game.
Anybody can do that.  Anybody can be involved in a discussion between 5 for the decisions on the fly.

Cook is a decent batsman, but he certainly isn't a captain. 
Be interested to know his stats as captain.  Clarke for example averages about 45 I think as a player, and 65 as a captain...

Quite simply, somebody needs to take charge.

As they say, too many Cooks, spoils the broth......
By:
donny osmond
When: 30 Dec 13 09:57
some of cooks decisions have been awful

may as well bring boycott back for 5 th test, such is the paucity of likely captains
By:
geordie1956
When: 30 Dec 13 14:01
Cook has proven he isn't a good captain - does he receive enough respect from the players - I don't know. He needs to be far more ruthless but it isn't in his character from what I see. He should be demanding more from the coaching staff and the director of cricket who haven't been seen since things have gone so wrong - ultimately they have overall responsibility and the captain on the field follows their instructions.  We need someone who will make strong decisions on and off the field, after all they are the fall guy when it doesn't work. That said for the life of me I cannot immediately see anybody with that strength of character within the team or the counties - Brearley wasn't a great player but his captaincy was first class; perhaps in the short team we need to find someone similar who can organise and dictate the structure of the team with specific aims; simply to get the best out of what you have - Cook clearly fails in this respect
By:
Kelly
When: 30 Dec 13 14:38
From watching the Sky pundits debate s yesterday , everyone seemed to agree it was the batting that let England down ( not necessarily my view ) . If that is correct , Cook cant be blamed for that , other than his own figures .

Reference on field captaincy ( when bowling side ) , Cook is not a great captain , have to agree with that .  But in current selection , is there a captain in the England team better than Cook ?

Disarray .  Bad time to be making long term decisions !
By:
BJT
When: 30 Dec 13 16:41

Dec 30, 2013 -- 2:38PM, Kelly wrote:


From watching the Sky pundits debate s yesterday , everyone seemed to agree it was the batting that let England down ( not necessarily my view ) . If that is correct , Cook cant be blamed for that , other than his own figures .Reference on field captaincy ( when bowling side ) , Cook is not a great captain , have to agree with that .  But in current selection , is there a captain in the England team better than Cook ?Disarray .  Bad time to be making long term decisions !


Yes, and if it was the batting, does the captain still not play a part?  He plays for draws.  He plays for time.  That is his goal, to wait it out until an opportunity is handed to him.  That is the message he sends to the team with his captaincy, and whether he is the messenger, or the decision maker, that filters through the team.

Is the suggestion that when a player is batting, he is not batting to the team goals?  Pietersen has it drummed into him that he must conform.  Take a look at the difference between when Cook is his partner in the middle, to when he isn't.  Completely different player, to name but one example.

Cook is toxic to the team, in every way. 

Would they play for Pietersen?  Not sure, but I don't think it would take long for his aggressive nature to make its way through the team.  When you take the game on, and things start going your way, great things are possible.  When you leave the fate of your team in the oppositions hands, then you require them to fail to prosper.

Australia lost the last series because they failed at the wrong times.  They won this series because they didn't.

Either way, the series was decided by the actions of Australia, not England.  I don't think that is up for debate.

By:
donny osmond
When: 30 Dec 13 17:52
peterson would be a better captain.......but its a no go

surely broad or anderson would be better captainns.......but we seem to like batsmen captains

not many batsmen sure of their place these days

what about giving kieswetter a go ?

bell would seem to be next in line at the mo, but i havnt seen any reason to think he would do a better job
By:
sonofshinner
When: 30 Dec 13 18:56
bottom line is,they are **** scared even with all that protection,bring back brian close...
By:
kt22
When: 31 Dec 13 04:38
I think the answer is more saffers and kiwis.
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