Aug 25, 2013 -- 7:22PM, Fallen Angel wrote:
I don't blame Clarke at all. For starts he declared at a point when Cook would not and will never do. The thing I really respect about the Aussies is they recognize a point in the game where the risk reward is such that they will give it a go. For all I think we have been a better team its that rolling the dice which really sets them apart and allowed them to win so many tests back in the 90s / early 2000s. The ruling was very annoying though. I think the ICC need to look again at the rules to ensure that it can't happen like that again, especially as test cricket is still the pinnacle of the modern game. Without England vs Australia the test match is dead in the water
It was an insane declaration. There was no way they were bowling ENG out in 44 overs and with KP around it was always chase able.
Aug 26, 2013 -- 5:55AM, slip5 wrote:
Aleem Dar is not fit to umpire a international cricket match again the guys has not even played 1st class cricket so he don't know the game situation, it was clear by the footage he wanted to go off and Dharmensena the ex sri lanka spinner wanted the match to finish.
Unfortunately, following a rule change in 2010, the umpires no longer have the authority to ask the batsmen if they wish to continue.
If the players have been removed from the pitch earlier in a Test (as they had here) then a light-meter reading is taken at that point and that is then the 'standard' for the rest of the match.
As soon as the meter reading drops below that reading at any other stage, the umpires are forced to take the players off. Neither umpires or players have any say in the matter.
Aug 26, 2013 -- 7:11AM, slip5 wrote:
the regulations are a joke now all you have is teams bowling there overs at 11 per hour when they are losing and waiting for bad light, how is that fair.
That is a very good point. Over rates around the world are uniformly poor and the ICC must get a grip on it. This is the reason why so many matches are finishing late in the first place. But we cannot blame the umpires.
Aug 26, 2013 -- 7:13AM, Mcik wrote:
I agree I think Clarke expected us to bat out the draw at our usual 3 runs an over and he could go back to Australia making us look like negative team happy to take a draw and time waste etc, we didn't do that and it's rather ironic that by the end of the day Clarke and Australia were the ones doing exactly the things the Australian media has criticized us for.
Precisely. But there is an awful lot of hypocrisy bandied around by players from every country. They all become terribly upset when the opposition bends the rules then do exactly the same themselves!
No captain in the world would have acted any differently to Clarke as play came to an end yesterday. Criticising England for gamesmanship was silly, criticising Australia for the same is also silly.
Aug 26, 2013 -- 2:45PM, the silverback wrote:
There was no point setting a "nothing to lose" target as it would almost certainly mean England's approach to it would mean Australia had nothing to win. I thought he got it spot on.
How did he get it spot on??
Aussies had very little chance of winning.
ENG lose a couple of early wickets = draw
ENG hit some boundaries and set it up = go for it.
Aug 26, 2013 -- 5:01PM, the silverback wrote:
So, what was the best thing he could have done then?
Batted sensibly and put ENG in for 30 overs at the end.
Aug 27, 2013 -- 11:24AM, the silverback wrote:
Did what he could to give them a chance of victory - however unlikely it was - and then did what he could to avoid defeat after, in case you've forgotten, the fastest ever 50 from an England player in the Ashes (i think, is that right)got England in position to win.I'm really struggling to see anything wrong with his tactics throughout Sunday.Although of course he could have batted sensibly and put England in for 30 overs.
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree but 10 mins of better light and AUS would have lost.
Aug 28, 2013 -- 9:24AM, ReaseHeath wrote:
^ Bitter Jealous Twisted, a sad little insecure man with such a debilitating inferiority complex that it leads him to draw conclusions about the lives of people he knows nothing about.Where did I say I did n't bet? I don't bet on cricket - I like discussing/debating it though - there's me thinking this is a cricket forum.The bit about losing it was a piece of self deprecation - I would n't expect that to register with somebody who is such a stranger to humility though.I ain't the one with the characteristics of the degenerate gambler, mate - I doubt you win, I'm sure you convince yourself you do - just like you convince yourself you're always right. Successful gamblers are those who avoid confirmation bias - you spend all your time using lies,damned lies and statistics to bolster your own self esteem.Good luck with that project.Not betting on everything that moves is a sign of discipline by the way.
^ Bitter Jealous Twisted, a sad little insecure man with such a debilitating inferiority complex that it leads him to draw conclusions about the lives of people he knows nothing about.
I ain't the one with the characteristics of the degenerate gambler, mate - I doubt you win, I'm sure you convince yourself you do - just like you convince yourself you're always right. Successful gamblers are those who avoid confirmation bias - you spend all your time using lies,damned lies and statistics to bolster your own self esteem.
Hmmmmmmmm... Think you left out the words "I am" a sad little .................