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By:
marychain1
When: 10 Aug 13 12:03
Gave him out caught - he wasnt so NOT OUT
While they were there they checked the lbw but had to overrule the umpire's on field decision which was NOT OUT lbw and there wasnt enough evidence to overturn it, so NOT OUT.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 10 Aug 13 12:03
the drs has worked here but the process is at fault

bottom line he is right to be given not out, poetic justice
By:
BJT
When: 10 Aug 13 12:03
Why check lbw?  Who reviewed that?
By:
sideshowbob
When: 10 Aug 13 12:03
be out next ball anyway
By:
currant bun
When: 10 Aug 13 12:03
about time the players learnt the rules.......pathetic
By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 10 Aug 13 12:03
How do they know the umpire gave him out for caught rather than lbw?
By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 10 Aug 13 12:04
Genuine question here guys
By:
BJT
When: 10 Aug 13 12:04

Aug 10, 2013 -- 12:03PM, songsforthedeaf wrote:


How do they know the umpire gave him out for caught rather than lbw?


Exactly...

By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 10 Aug 13 12:04

Aug 10, 2013 -- 12:03PM, songsforthedeaf wrote:


How do they know the umpire gave him out for caught rather than lbw?


Exactly.

By:
DStyle
When: 10 Aug 13 12:04
the umpires check all forms of dismissal on review, which is how it should be.
By:
Latalomne
When: 10 Aug 13 12:04
Presumably because the umpire elected to not give it!
By:
marychain1
When: 10 Aug 13 12:04
@songs The umpire will have said it in discussion with the video ref
By:
DStyle
When: 10 Aug 13 12:05
because the onfield umpire talks to the third umpire ffs.

jesus christ, it's not facking quantum mechanics.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 10 Aug 13 12:05
the decision is n't confusing but the review for lbw is because it's redundant.

Unless it had n't been 'umpire's call' and had been 'hitting' in which case would have been out I presume?
By:
loserschaselosers
When: 10 Aug 13 12:05
England team and a number of forumites not very bright.
By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 10 Aug 13 12:05

Aug 10, 2013 -- 12:04PM, Latalomne wrote:


Presumably because the umpire elected to not give it!


okay gotcha.

By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 10 Aug 13 12:05
Lets hope the umpire understands the rules too.
By:
BJT
When: 10 Aug 13 12:05
The assumption would be if they checked for lbw and caught, that he didn't give a reason for out.  Could have easily given him out, as if he hit it it was caught, and if he didn't, he was lbw.

Strange really.
By:
DStyle
When: 10 Aug 13 12:05
facking embarrassing replays of the celebrations from england.

has no-one explained how it works to them yet.
By:
sideshowbob
When: 10 Aug 13 12:05
well it wasnt redundant then was it. if it been clear cut hed be out for lbw. regardless of what the umpire thought.
By:
pauliow
When: 10 Aug 13 12:06
The ball was hitting the stumps, it should have been given out. Surely the whole idea of the process is to arrive at the correct decision. This is a joke.
By:
cardshark
When: 10 Aug 13 12:06
That umpire just guesses anyway - he only get's about 25% right and 80% wrong
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 10 Aug 13 12:06
An appeal covers all forms of out.

So should a review cover all forms of error at once?
By:
marychain1
When: 10 Aug 13 12:06
Well if he thought he hit it, he wouldnt be giving him out lbw.
By:
scoobeck
When: 10 Aug 13 12:06
Peterson needed to be explained to 10 time.

Bright lad.
By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 10 Aug 13 12:06
Okay, so it goes back to the 1st umpire, he is told 'not out caught, lbw your call' and his call is not out lbw, so he gives not out.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 10 Aug 13 12:07
the way Root celebrated before it was given out vindicates Warner's decision to punch him,imo.
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 10 Aug 13 12:07

Aug 10, 2013 -- 12:06PM, songsforthedeaf wrote:


Okay, so it goes back to the 1st umpire, he is told 'not out caught, lbw your call' and his call is not out lbw, so he gives not out.


If he gave it out caught, he couldn't give it out LBW though.

By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 10 Aug 13 12:07
actually I think the process has worked...shocker!
By:
oddduck
When: 10 Aug 13 12:07
Does anyone know why i can't view innings runs market on the betfair iPad app. Nor iPhone for that matter
By:
scoobeck
When: 10 Aug 13 12:07
Also the ball just clipped the pad, how the hell did it deviate so far that it was hitting the stumps in the first place.

Query Hawkeye?
By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 10 Aug 13 12:08

Aug 10, 2013 -- 12:07PM, oddduck wrote:


Does anyone know why i can't view innings runs market on the betfair iPad app. Nor iPhone for that matter


yeah its annoying

By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 10 Aug 13 12:08
I dont know why
By:
oddduck
When: 10 Aug 13 12:08
what gives?
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 10 Aug 13 12:08
so we have the interesting situation where the umpire's call is shown to be based on an error (ie that it wasn't LBW because he'd hit it), thus creating a situation where the umpire's told to stick with the decision that's just been judged wrong.
By:
BJT
When: 10 Aug 13 12:08
So, if England then said to the umpire, "why the hell were you checking for caught when we were appealing for lbw", then what happens?
By:
spyker
When: 10 Aug 13 12:09
Did eng appeal for the catch or lbw? Did the ump know what he was deciding on?
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 10 Aug 13 12:09
if this was boxing, ref would have stopped Broad v Rogers by now.
By:
DStyle
When: 10 Aug 13 12:09
pauliow 10 Aug 13 12:06 
The ball was hitting the stumps, it should have been given out. Surely the whole idea of the process is to arrive at the correct decision. This is a joke.


stop assuming hawkeye is definitive. it has a margin of error which is precisely what the umpire's call is all about.

the review process showed that there was a possibility that the ball may not have hit the stumps. as there was no lbw decision the default assumption is that he wasn't out lbw therefore there was not enough evidence to overturn the decision.

why is this so difficult to understand?
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 10 Aug 13 12:09

Aug 10, 2013 -- 12:09PM, spyker wrote:


Did eng appeal for the catch or lbw? Did the ump know what he was deciding on?


You don't appeal for individual outs. An appeal covers any form of out all at once.

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