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South Africa without Morne Morkel and Dale Steyn.
Pakistan made a meal of batting against a great West Indies team and made a valliant attempt to defend a low total. I'm sure the batsmen will perform much better against a SA attack missing two of the best fast bowlers in the world. 2.2 seems very fair to me, having a nice lump.
Over 275 should be a safe bet 1st Innings score should they bat first.
Good luck all (with the exception of Kingsmax
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Pakistan made a meal of batting against a great West Indies team and made a valliant attempt to defend a low total. I'm sure the batsmen will perform much better against a SA attack missing two of the best fast bowlers in the world. 2.2 seems very fair to me, having a nice lump.
Over 275 should be a safe bet 1st Innings score should they bat first.
Good luck all (with the exception of Kingsmax
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To be fair, if it were India here they'd be chasing 334 rather than 234.
fair point. They'd prob be a more likely shout to chase it aswell mind! In fact, it's a surprise if India don't score 300. Best batting lineup by a distance.
umar amin 11 from 25? considering the match situation, that's shocking.
amin copying misbah by doing that pointless leg move then blocking
only six 4444's so far this innings and we're into the 38th over
Morris is bowling short now. That isnt getting clobbered now but it can go for plenty
amin looks a bit one paced. Needs to show his ability to up the tempo here.
amin gone. Good wicket for pak imo. Looked awful. 16 off 29 - would have dropped it on purpose!
Over the top and down the road to the bookie with the brown envelope..
been watching those BPL games that Ashraful has admitted fixing , he must have had the whole team at it from the evidence i saw
saffers deffo far too short, 9 an over with 5 in hand is just doable with misbah and akmal there.
joke innings by Pakistan, but you have to say with the mid innings runs, someone knew.
that was straight out of the afridi school of batting
if you backed SA at the break you wouldn't have needed to lay off , been a train right from the first wicket pretty much
Going by the latest form only Jos Butler can win this from here
Jun 10, 2013 -- 7:37PM, Steam wrote:
SoA whats your call now is Pak pulling this off?
no
and its making me think their first match could have been too.
Jun 10, 2013 -- 8:05PM, Srichaphan or Ancic? wrote:
I think its a stinking FIX
wrong again mate.
well how do you explain it? How did someone know they should not be favourites at mid innings with the score that SA got, regardless of the wicket that should not have been the situation.
Jun 10, 2013 -- 8:08PM, Srichaphan or Ancic? wrote:
well how do you explain it? How did someone know they should not be favourites at mid innings with the score that SA got, regardless of the wicket that should not have been the situation.
I posted here - wicket was slow.
Loved the way Misbah shook his head = great acting ...proper stinks
this is the very last time i back a game with pakistan in it.
this entire chase has stunk. malik blocking every ball.
at the half way point pak were clearly ahead, but the market was very strong against them.
im not the type of person to cry fix, ive berated SorA many times for calling them (and incidently been incorrect (IPL)).
absolutely stinks this.
this entire chase has stunk. malik blocking every ball.
at the half way point pak were clearly ahead, but the market was very strong against them.
im not the type of person to cry fix, ive berated SorA many times for calling them (and incidently been incorrect (IPL)).
absolutely stinks this.
England AUS......What more do you need as a good marker...
Not to mention the first innings
Not to mention its PAK
thats just 3 reasons that come to mind...
Not to mention the first innings
Not to mention its PAK
thats just 3 reasons that come to mind...
Good night Pakistan thanks for coming, back to the nets for most batman who can't play swing/seam.
Okaie couldnt recover the loss today completely..bad day at office...run lines hasnt been too fruitful for me this Champions Trophy
i've only lost £200 because of the run lines steam or i would be absolutely livid. if this turns out to be proven a fix i'll sue them for my money back.
At every stage of the Pakistan innings they were bigger odds than they should have been. When you take into account the way Pakistan batted its suspicious at least. It seemed they batted in a way that they were affraid of getting into a position where they could win by accident.
Jun 10, 2013 -- 8:13PM, steview84 wrote:
i've only lost £200 because of the run lines steam or i would be absolutely livid.
i been watching the BPL games that Ashraful has claimed that he was part of fixing . most of the team must have been at it , thats the worrying thing
nicky i admit it sounds laughable. if i were reading what i am saying now 3 months ago i'd think "what a pr!ck". however i feel entirely justified.
and nigel you come on every so often and defend the team you've backed position to the death. good on you, but not a good judge imo.
well done for winning today, happy for you.
well done for winning today, happy for you.
no worries stevie ,when i say i reckon that this chase was because of a slow pitch , i really mean I hope they're not fixing bar stewards
showed no intent for the first 40 overs , given the required run rate at the time
suppose its easy to jump to the conclusion with pakistan. but having given it a bit of thought i'd suggest this needs to be thoroughly looked into.
and i will sue them should it come to light.
and i will sue them should it come to light.
only 6 boundary 4444444's for the first 37 overs in this chase
Jun 10, 2013 -- 8:15PM, steview84 wrote:
and nigel you come on every so often and defend the team you've backed position to the death. good on you, but not a good judge imo.well done for winning today, happy for you.
mainly on twitter mate. Your point about suing is laughable. You bet - you take the risk. You should be well aware the fixing is rife in Cricket and other sports (for that matter). Where there's money there's corruption. Fact of life. Wake up to it.
Yeah 400 pounds gone for me on run lines today..cant believe SA couldnt score 250.
Surely it a far too obvious game for a fix, and as has been stated many times its not the match odds that the fixers target but the much easier and less obvious spot fixes. Pakistan just batted poorly, poorly planned chase, chasing in Eng on this pitch is never easy.
They managed to avoid victory against Ireland, when O'brien needed 47 off the last over
against Ireland, when O'brien needed 47 off the last over
just watch the innings of shoaib malik if you need any further convincing.
don't know any bookie where u can get a heavy bet on a 'spot fix' type of market
Misbah played a similar innings in the WC semi final.
He allowed the RRR to get to 8.5+ then plays some shots. Took the PP and did nothing blocking half volleys.
Looked like spot fixing to me. Should be investigated but won't be.
He allowed the RRR to get to 8.5+ then plays some shots. Took the PP and did nothing blocking half volleys.
Looked like spot fixing to me. Should be investigated but won't be.
imo its much easier to fix match odds. somebody staking £10000 on a no ball raises a lot of suspicion. £100k on match odds would be normality to a lot big hitting punters.
the lowest pakistan traded was 1.96!!! SAF were 202/6 with a couple of overs to go.
the lowest pakistan traded was 1.96!!! SAF were 202/6 with a couple of overs to go.
genuinely one of the worst chases you will ever see
all out mongs .means even if they beat india saturday then they can't qualify
Jun 10, 2013 -- 8:21PM, Fallen Angel wrote:its not our bookies they are betting with
it is betfair. look at the ipl inquiry. all the bookies used betfair.
nigel Indian bookies or Paki bookies is what you should look for
Pakistan players caught fixing. Everyone suspects them. So what's to lose from match fixing.
im sticking with my india WINDIES Slanka pre tournament bets and not wasting another penny on this sh!t.
To spot fix all the players need to do is manipulate half an hour of play.
It really is that simple.
It really is that simple.
if you think its fixed stevie , just back / lay accordingly 
south africa done well with a mediocre bowling attack
im massively up on cricket in the last few months nicky, since the start of the ipl, and trust my judgement. i saw an opportunity with the match odds at half way and took it. an opportunity that anybody who knows cricket would take. however i've been thwarted by this. no way to trade as the market wouldn't allow it.
absolutely stinks.
absolutely stinks.
@nicky27 personally i think that is the more likely scenario, and the fact that commentators have hyped up the 300 number to such an extent that any chase below that is seen by people as straight forward which it is not
I agree with Fallen Angel..all the hype about new regulations, short grounds blah blah blah..havent seen anyone scoring properly here and even chasing pathetically
having reviewed this i've found a number of concerning patterns of betting and the gameplay. i'm writing to the relevant authorities and will publish all correspondence here.
If you've spot-fixed, the best way of taking advantage is via the Match Odds market on here.
Say you've arranged a maiden over. Lay the batting team on here in the Match Odds market before the first ball of the over is bowled. Green out at the end of it.
Much better than betting a brackets market with an illegal Asian bookie, because:
1. It's indirect. You're not inviting suspicion you've directly fixed that particular market.
2. Even if the batsman with whom you've arranged the fix grasses you up and the Indian police start rounding up the usual suspects,, there won't be anybody among the Asian bookies to corroborate the allegation.
3. You're guaranteed to get paid out.
Say you've arranged a maiden over. Lay the batting team on here in the Match Odds market before the first ball of the over is bowled. Green out at the end of it.
Much better than betting a brackets market with an illegal Asian bookie, because:
1. It's indirect. You're not inviting suspicion you've directly fixed that particular market.
2. Even if the batsman with whom you've arranged the fix grasses you up and the Indian police start rounding up the usual suspects,, there won't be anybody among the Asian bookies to corroborate the allegation.
3. You're guaranteed to get paid out.
you talking about T20 here screamers? you wont get paid much if
you back maiden in an ODI.
you back maiden in an ODI.
Depends what you mean by "much". One of the oddities of the Mervyn Westfield case was how little money it took to fix an over - a lousy 6 grand.
Sure, the example I gave of fixing a single maiden would be better suited to a T20 (though it would work just as effectively on here towards the end of a ODI chase, where prices are equally volatile).
But if you're going to block for 20 overs in a ODI, as happened in this match, then I think the Match Odds market here is a perfectly fine medium for taking advantage and covering your tracks.
(As it happens, I don't think that's what happened here; I think it's just a really lousy Pak batting line-up; and anyway, if they were at it, they'd want to give themselves a chance of reaching the semi-final and final, where there'd be further opportunities.)
Christ, it does your head in when you can't trust a sport.
Sure, the example I gave of fixing a single maiden would be better suited to a T20 (though it would work just as effectively on here towards the end of a ODI chase, where prices are equally volatile).
But if you're going to block for 20 overs in a ODI, as happened in this match, then I think the Match Odds market here is a perfectly fine medium for taking advantage and covering your tracks.
(As it happens, I don't think that's what happened here; I think it's just a really lousy Pak batting line-up; and anyway, if they were at it, they'd want to give themselves a chance of reaching the semi-final and final, where there'd be further opportunities.)
Christ, it does your head in when you can't trust a sport.
Later on in an ODI a maiden is pretty crucial, as is the intent shown or not shown during that over.
Misbah took the PP and then blocked the first 3 balls. He took a single off the 4th. The tone was set for the rest of the PP.
Only a few ticks needed for a big profit. With the RRR rising above 8s at that stage, it was clear the chase would fail.
Misbah took the PP and then blocked the first 3 balls. He took a single off the 4th. The tone was set for the rest of the PP.
Only a few ticks needed for a big profit. With the RRR rising above 8s at that stage, it was clear the chase would fail.
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