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I won't be laying England again today, fancy a much stronger bowling attack to be selected.
Bets are
A Cook top England Batsman
M Guptill and K Williamson Dutched top New Zealand Batsman.
Good luck chaps (with the exception of mugmax)
Bets are
A Cook top England Batsman
M Guptill and K Williamson Dutched top New Zealand Batsman.
Good luck chaps (with the exception of mugmax)
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card we are chasing to many to allow trot (anyone) just to keep things together, runs have to flow from both ends just to ge anywhere close lert alone win.
if trott bat like this the other bloke at the other end needs a 150 strike rate
OK but NZ did go quite late - wickets in hand is key. We have the talent to score big off the last 15
you cant base our hopes on scoring 13 an over for ten overs, I fully understand is tough for trot or anyone else but at least give morgan/butler something remotely possible to chase.
Jun 2, 2013 -- 4:25PM, maxstout wrote:
Dropped on purpose - to keep the scoring rate down
michale clarke, avg. 45, SR 78, considered a modern great. trott avg 50, SR 75 considered a liability?
(stolen from twitter)
(stolen from twitter)
ronchi been the big weak link for nz here. Lucky that they have a winning total and his missed stumpings more than likely won't cost them. Be interesting to see if England can even get 300 here.
hope i am wrong about Trott but dont think i will be
Jun 2, 2013 -- 4:34PM, cardshark wrote:
Can you imagine Chris Gayle on this track
id rather watson
Brainless cricket not helped by the wrong batsman at number 3!
trott is doing it ok here, if he bats through at a run a ball england go close.
Very difficult this for England but it is not over yet..this would go close
kingmax 02 Jun 13 16:39
trott is doing it ok here, if he bats through at a run a ball england go close.
Run a ball is nowhere near enough here though
We need roughly 200 off 135. Say he gets 70 off 70 from here. you're asking the other guy(s) to get 130 in 65 balls.
trott is doing it ok here, if he bats through at a run a ball england go close.
Run a ball is nowhere near enough here though
We need roughly 200 off 135. Say he gets 70 off 70 from here. you're asking the other guy(s) to get 130 in 65 balls.
Still say if they can keep the wickets they have a chance
No point seeing the RR for now..lot of overs to be played..reach till 40 with about 6 and about RR and with likes of Butler to come remaining runs can be scored..pacing the innings far more important i think
they need another 100 runs by the 40th over. had a lay of NZ now for a bit of excitement.
how dare trott score 50 and try to bat through... disgusting
If they have enough wickets 12 / 14 an over is possible for the last 5-7
ODI rule of thumb, double the score after 30 overs.. 30=170 50=340... will be close... well woth a alay
Well now getting out of reach...still I am taking a bit of 25s here...two big hits and this would be back at 7s..
Anyone thinking England have a chance are in dreamland. English players do not have much one day experience ( test players! ).
Being out of IPL is not helping England batsmen
Being out of IPL is not helping England batsmen
91 from the next ten losing no wickets. then we have a finish!
woakes bresnan and swan can all get it out the ground too.
IPL hitting is calculated, not wild slogging. They practise hitting sixes and use weights. Troot has 3 one day sixes? sorry 4 now, go figure!
as long as Trott is in we have a chance right Max?
This should be interesting - Trott needing to hit sixes, entertaining
Stevie it is an Albatross
You'd be better off backing NZ!
You'd be better off backing NZ!
England nevet take batting powerplay with the better batsman in
Stevie..i think this mug England batting line up would never give us that opportunity...
Jun 2, 2013 -- 5:20PM, nigelpm1 wrote:
Take what you can - GSM
1.01
****g single from a free hit... do they ever go for 6 anymore?
These people are not even trying lol..Trott may be just wants to get his 100
trott has done his job in fairness.. its the rest of the ****
Trott's got more than double the score of the next man at a SR of 90 and people are still giving him stick 
Jun 2, 2013 -- 5:42PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
Is Trott your son Max?
no, people just talk bollox and jump on the bandwagon, and have no clue what there talking about
Honestly Trott has done his job in this match at least..everyone around him mugged it big time
Okaie..lost 25 quids backing England on 50s...ffs never gave it a fight..
England were 2 bowlers short and didn't have a game plan for dealing with the opposition.
It was a good wicket and NZ took their chance superbly.
Trott is not adding anything by batting through. The word might be out not to get him out as it ties one end up.
At least he didn't lose his head today but replacing him with KP would make much more sense unless he were to open and protect the middle order against the new balls.
It was a good wicket and NZ took their chance superbly.
Trott is not adding anything by batting through. The word might be out not to get him out as it ties one end up.
At least he didn't lose his head today but replacing him with KP would make much more sense unless he were to open and protect the middle order against the new balls.
I'd be dropping that waste of space Dernbach before worrying about Trott's place
why is trott going for singles, surely he has to tee off and face all the bowling
It helps if your top order batsmen have some brains aswell as brawn.
Perfect batting pitch.
Bell out to an idiotic shot at the time. Trott had just come in, and Bell had scored all the runs in the partnership at that time. Some thought and this total was not out of reach. Time and time again, gets himself in only to get HIMSELF out.
Same applies to Root, excellent partnership developing between him and Trott, no need to rush excessively but after missing out again with that silly unnecessary paddle sweep a little earlier, dances down the pitch and does't time the big hit.
Where do you go with the last chance saloon Morgan. First or second ball of the new part time bowler, no idea of his pace and slashes himself back to the pavilion. GSM Some idiotic batting from some overpaid idiots.
Perfect batting pitch.
Bell out to an idiotic shot at the time. Trott had just come in, and Bell had scored all the runs in the partnership at that time. Some thought and this total was not out of reach. Time and time again, gets himself in only to get HIMSELF out.
Same applies to Root, excellent partnership developing between him and Trott, no need to rush excessively but after missing out again with that silly unnecessary paddle sweep a little earlier, dances down the pitch and does't time the big hit.
Where do you go with the last chance saloon Morgan. First or second ball of the new part time bowler, no idea of his pace and slashes himself back to the pavilion. GSM Some idiotic batting from some overpaid idiots.
Village Idiot stuff would be more apt Mick!
This isn't Trott's fault agreed but he is no Kallis and batting at 3 is like having a bowler like Dernbach giving away 7 or 8 an over.
South Africa, Australia, India, Windies, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and even NZ have Batsmen who can go through the gears. England only have KP. That is not Trott's fault but he offers no solution either. Mind you neither do Bell or Morgan at present
This isn't Trott's fault agreed but he is no Kallis and batting at 3 is like having a bowler like Dernbach giving away 7 or 8 an over.
South Africa, Australia, India, Windies, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and even NZ have Batsmen who can go through the gears. England only have KP. That is not Trott's fault but he offers no solution either. Mind you neither do Bell or Morgan at present
as i said earlier its always worth a punt on there being a run out when Trott is batting.
That particular stat has shown a reasonable profit in 1 day ODI matches.
Its not the twaddle remark that 1 person suggested it was.
Its fact
Good luck all
That particular stat has shown a reasonable profit in 1 day ODI matches.
Its not the twaddle remark that 1 person suggested it was.
Its fact
Good luck all
you wont win many odis with Bell, Cook and Trott batting 123 and woakes, bresnan and dernbach bowling all in the same team-and it doesnt matter how well you think bres and woakes can bat
how long before Ashley "gets it" if at all?
how long before Ashley "gets it" if at all?
not much point picking holes in the batting when chasing such a huge total. sure they batted poorly on friday but it was lost today by having 17 overs of dross served up by dernbach and woakes. 300 was probably around par on that track
i'm sure trott would get less criticism if he kept getting out first ball. he does his job. it's the others around him like bell who keeps getting in and then getting out in very soft ways. doesn't help that morgan has had no cricket recently but that's his own fault for chasing the IPL money
i'm sure trott would get less criticism if he kept getting out first ball. he does his job. it's the others around him like bell who keeps getting in and then getting out in very soft ways. doesn't help that morgan has had no cricket recently but that's his own fault for chasing the IPL money
Whisperingdeath
It is well known Trott needs to play himself in, so Bell had no need to go after the bowling as he did at that time. Trott had played 14 dot balls, Bell could have just tried to nudge it around for a while, England were well ahead of the NZ overs/runs total when Bell got out.
Trott has ended batting through. What a difference a Bell/Trott partnership could have done to the result.
Once Trott had got himself well established he could have stayed there all day. As normal, no matter how slow he starts, when he gets a ton he bats at around a run a ball.
Root and especially Morgan, as he is the one player playing at the moment who can accelerate, need to look at themselves. Root already had a 'calm down' from Trott after the unsuccessful paddle sweep. But Morgan has been outdone by a part time bowler due to his lack of patience. Poor really.
It is well known Trott needs to play himself in, so Bell had no need to go after the bowling as he did at that time. Trott had played 14 dot balls, Bell could have just tried to nudge it around for a while, England were well ahead of the NZ overs/runs total when Bell got out.
Trott has ended batting through. What a difference a Bell/Trott partnership could have done to the result.
Once Trott had got himself well established he could have stayed there all day. As normal, no matter how slow he starts, when he gets a ton he bats at around a run a ball.
Root and especially Morgan, as he is the one player playing at the moment who can accelerate, need to look at themselves. Root already had a 'calm down' from Trott after the unsuccessful paddle sweep. But Morgan has been outdone by a part time bowler due to his lack of patience. Poor really.
Mick,
I think the point is at the moment it doesn't matter. The other batsmen are a bigger problem. Trott isn't the problem just symptomatic of not being the answer to England's needs.
The biggest problem is selection. Dernbach and Woakes are not ready at this level. Could Tremlett have played? He should be understudy to Finn in any case.
England just do not seem to have a game plan and haven't had one for years.
I think the point is at the moment it doesn't matter. The other batsmen are a bigger problem. Trott isn't the problem just symptomatic of not being the answer to England's needs.
The biggest problem is selection. Dernbach and Woakes are not ready at this level. Could Tremlett have played? He should be understudy to Finn in any case.
England just do not seem to have a game plan and haven't had one for years.
Egland have been up and down for about twenty years now inthe fifty over game. Pull off some really good series wins interspersed with an equal nmber of abject performances. In fact the fact weve been outplayed by NZ here means we are probably due a good performance... Probably at the Champions trophy. Doesnt really bother me so long as we win the ashes.
england have actually been very good in one dayers over the the past couple of years especially at home
bit concerning that the depth of our bowling resources has been exposed in these 2 games. obviously in tests you only need 4 bowlers and with swann able to wheel away forever at one end you can get away with it more. could really do with tremlett available again and onions finding some form. seems he's been discarded after a nightmare warm up game in new zealand
bit concerning that the depth of our bowling resources has been exposed in these 2 games. obviously in tests you only need 4 bowlers and with swann able to wheel away forever at one end you can get away with it more. could really do with tremlett available again and onions finding some form. seems he's been discarded after a nightmare warm up game in new zealand
Too many average players.... Woakes, Butler, Dernbach, Morgan. Then you got the defensive batsman. Cook, Trott and Bell.
Amusing thread. The red turkeys were never chasing 360 in their wildest dreams. They wouldn't if my mother bowled at them. Free monies for all. Hope you cashed in
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