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Little bit of help regarding state of track and weather conditions would help, thank you
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Report dylansdad May 18, 2013 6:37 PM BST
sites i've been looking at show weather ok for tomorrow, max 20% chance of rain??
Report the big bossman May 18, 2013 6:42 PM BST
BBC says no rain Sunday but rain Monday
Report d13phe May 18, 2013 6:56 PM BST
hardly a monsoon forecast for monday. lights rain

not even sure the game gets to Monday.
Report trader pj May 18, 2013 8:00 PM BST
England could easily lose this match IMO another reason to pray for rain!
Report RajaFiaz May 18, 2013 8:34 PM BST
NZ batting performance was pretty awful and final innings performances are generally the worse one's ... Eng look a bit small @ 2:1 on but is probably a fair price given the opposition ... only thing that can save NZ is the rain ... but it may come to late on Monday .... this match is easily finished tomorrow ... and Eng have to be favourites to win it ...
Report nigelpm1 May 18, 2013 9:28 PM BST
what's the most NZ have chased in 4th innings in ENG ever?

I don't know the answer but it's probably already getting very tricky for NZ.  Draw still possible if ENG dig in early doors tomorrow and hold out until mid-afternoon with rain forecast monday.
Report dylansdad May 18, 2013 9:39 PM BST
i agree nigel the only way i can see a draw is if Eng bat till mid afternoon, originally i was on Eng but now on the draw, looking like i got this test the wrong way round?
Report pxb May 18, 2013 10:00 PM BST
NZ win the bet here but not by much.

Can't see Eng batting till lunch. If they do, still don't see a draw as only a few showers for Monday.
Report cricnut May 18, 2013 10:22 PM BST
lets look at the scores, so far in this Test Match. England 232 all out, New Zealand 207 all out, England 180-6, England lead by 205 runs. In all honest a lead of 250 runs doesn't sound a lot, but if England could score another 40 runs more, a total of 250 to chase is going to be a lot of runs to get. If England get more than a lead of 250 runs, so 270-280 and England, will be hot, hot favourites and should win. Even if England only get 20 runs more, it will be a lead of 225 runs, will give England a very good chance of winning.
Report stickon May 18, 2013 10:46 PM BST
The Met Office forecast for Monday for Lords is getting worse with heavy rain in the morning and light rain showing at 1pm and cloudy by 4pm so IMHO its got to finish tomorrow

If the END tail can add maybe another 30 or 40 in decent time, chasing close to 250 would I think be too much for NZ and I think Swann will be the key

Ive got healthy green ENG and NZ and small green draw. Very tempted to switch it all to ENG but worried about NZ crawling to a hundred and odd for 4  at tea and draw frenzy kicking in
Report nigelpm1 May 19, 2013 9:21 AM BST
Forecast now much better hence the movement in the draw - might even get away with only 30 mins no play first thing monday:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743
Report nigelpm1 May 19, 2013 9:26 AM BST
actually reckon Draw being overreacted on here.  Still a chance of rain monday and if it's not over today there's bound to be opportunities to lay at less than 12!
Report betchat May 19, 2013 9:39 AM BST
It looks like rain nearly all night and most of the morning then a break and then a couple of hours of rain in the afternoon.  Allowing for pitch inspections covers on covers off etc that could take up most of the day even assuming things like no bad light or the rain isn't enough to water log the outfield etc.
Report pxb May 19, 2013 10:04 AM BST
Nice draw play overnight. Made a few bob.
Report cricnut May 19, 2013 10:11 AM BST
now the BBC WEATHER for London tomorrow, is midnight overcast 4.00am Rain just missing North London, but obviously could reach North London, only has to be slightly wrong. 7.00am overcast 10.00am overcast 13.00 overcast 16.00 ditto the 4.00am forecast and 19.00 overcast, if those forecasts are to be believed a positive result is certain, even if the match goes well into tomorrow.
Report nigelpm1 May 19, 2013 10:25 AM BST
ENG feel far too short. 

If they play well and get 300+ it'll probably take until 3pm.  Draw looks likely then with rain forecast and fairly benign pitch.

If they only get 250 and out quickly their odds won't be much lower
Report Captain Wurzel May 19, 2013 10:42 AM BST
Turn and bounce on this wicket for the spinners - Swann will be a handful in this second innings, especially with the rough

outside the righthanders off stumps created by the Kiwi lefty boelers.
Report cricnut May 19, 2013 10:47 AM BST
I feel the prices are spot on Taylor and McCullum having a 2 hour stay at the crease, would improve NZ's chances of a win, as they will attack England's bowlers, but I reckon the prices are fair and about right. Lets see where we are, at the end of the England innings and see if the price has changed in anyone's particular favour.
Report slickman May 19, 2013 11:05 AM BST
finn goneee
Report betchat May 19, 2013 11:14 AM BST
So it seems the question right now is can NZ get say around 240/250 in the time remaining.  England at about 1.4 seems very short on that basis.
Report Esox May 19, 2013 11:22 AM BST
Bell gone 2 left.
Report Conch May 19, 2013 11:22 AM BST
Apparently these wickets don't even impact on englands chance of winning!
Report judorick May 19, 2013 11:24 AM BST
anyone fancy the draw? LaughTongue Out
Report bman344 May 19, 2013 11:27 AM BST
tempting at 36's !
Report judorick May 19, 2013 11:30 AM BST
yes specially when you laid it yesterday for 25% bank at 3.5 average
Report bman344 May 19, 2013 11:33 AM BST
lovely jubbly
Report alun2005 May 19, 2013 11:49 AM BST
A truly feeble innings.

Again.

Ye Gods, if England lose this match, they can expect a right going over from the people who run English Cricket (i.e. Sky Sports).
Report judorick May 19, 2013 11:49 AM BST
54 for 8 wickets!!

sheesh
Report Steam May 19, 2013 11:50 AM BST
What would be great is to see some bit of rain..!!!
Report Esox May 19, 2013 11:52 AM BST
Draw 110 Shocked
NZ get say 100 for 3 then rain in morning.
Carnage.
Report cricnut May 19, 2013 11:53 AM BST
Well I have England, as slight favourites, so its 10/11 England (1.91) New Zealand 11/10 (2.1) so a lay of England or a back of New Zealand is the right bet, but of course a couple of early wickets and England will be down to 1/4
Report rev ike May 19, 2013 11:56 AM BST
the attitude of eng bats beggars belief-no playing for the team/situation/no patience
Report Rider May 19, 2013 11:57 AM BST
shouldnt get any rain today, spin looks likely to come in to play, i've topped up on the draw lay at start of play and think i'll just watch from now on, should be good
Report in hell May 19, 2013 12:05 PM BST
That is appalling from Fulton
Report cricnut May 19, 2013 12:05 PM BST
I'd top up more on the draw, it just ain't gonna happen.
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 12:06 PM BST
Disgraceful shot by Fulton what was the purpose at just putting your bat out at that ball unecessary pressure you put on your whole team you mug!
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 12:10 PM BST
Just can't believe what a bad shot that was from Fulton had all the time in the world to leave that ball and chose a nothing shot to get out on
Report guinness2dear May 19, 2013 12:22 PM BST
Mikey being brave there..
Report guinness2dear May 19, 2013 12:23 PM BST
Even more so now
Report cricnut May 19, 2013 12:25 PM BST
England very hot favourites now, low scores make exciting Test Matches, but cannot see NZ getting these now.
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 12:27 PM BST
New Zealand are really not focusing here a ball pitching outside leg stump and as long as you are playing a shot can't be out lbw and he gets bowled WTF, when you only need to block and take a few runs every now and then you do this NZ what is your problem, not as bad as Fulton who should be dropped for what he did...... I can not believe what these guys are doing they are playing at balls they should be leaving this is an utter disgrace from NZ
Report treble May 19, 2013 12:27 PM BST
Very poor from NZ.
Report treble May 19, 2013 12:28 PM BST
This could be a sub 100 score unless someone steps up.
Report teo813 May 19, 2013 12:29 PM BST
Taylor gone=GSM
Report Mr Eboue May 19, 2013 12:30 PM BST
one more wicket in the next half hour and its all over.

Very poor from NZ.
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 12:30 PM BST
Getting completely done on this match can not believe NZ have made these shot decisions when they set themselves up for a score that they had no need to go hard at
Report uncle nasty May 19, 2013 12:32 PM BST
nz bats laughing when they get out
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 12:33 PM BST
still playing half shots and well wide of off stump deliveries
Report Mr Eboue May 19, 2013 12:46 PM BST
Horrific.

Game over.
Report guinness2dear May 19, 2013 12:47 PM BST
Very strange batting from NZ..
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 12:48 PM BST
NZ need new players buthe quality is lacking, senior players need to pull there weight and not take it easy because they happen to play for NZ and no one can replace them, this is about the most disgraceful attempt at winning this match I have probable ever seen in Cricket, absolutely no need....somuch time and you go for these kid of shots, getting yourselves out for no reason at all, from nothing shots which would have achieved nothing
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 12:52 PM BST
35 needed off each remaining batsmen, really need a huge innings from McCullum here
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 12:53 PM BST
This is too easy fromEng NZ completely giving this away and making a mockery of themselves
Report cardshark May 19, 2013 12:53 PM BST
UNPLAYABLE !
Report treble May 19, 2013 12:53 PM BST
I love watching England bowlers in this mood Happy
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 12:55 PM BST
43 runs per batsmen to win this one for NZ
Report treble May 19, 2013 12:57 PM BST
A complete shoeing. No more, no less.
Report judorick May 19, 2013 12:58 PM BST
judorick 16 May 13 11:18 Joined: 27 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 14,913 | Blogger: judorick's blog
settling in for a few days on the sofa looking forward to an ENG victory

been very enjoyable
Report Footiefan111 May 19, 2013 1:00 PM BST
this is over
Report cardshark May 19, 2013 1:00 PM BST
SLAUGHTER
Report Footiefan111 May 19, 2013 1:00 PM BST
50 all out job
Report treble May 19, 2013 1:01 PM BST
Footiefan111 19 May 13 13:00 Joined: 15 Jan 11 | Topic/replies: 21,100 | Blogger: Footiefan111's blog

this is over


Hello Sherlock Laugh
Report Footiefan111 May 19, 2013 1:01 PM BST
don't be surprised if mcullum quits as captain after match
Report Fangsy May 19, 2013 1:02 PM BST
I wonder when the SS comms will apologise for lambasting England's 1st inns batting?  OK, it wasn't good against Martin, but there was never any rush playing under lights.
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 1:02 PM BST
disgraceful they played directly to the ENG field, didn't leave balls while ENG put all there fielders on the offside and in the Slip Cordon, NZ obliged by playing at balls wide of the off stump instead of waiting for the balls they could play to the open leg side and tire out ENG in the field, really utter rubbish from NZ
Report Footiefan111 May 19, 2013 1:03 PM BST
mcullum will get emotional about this
Report Footiefan111 May 19, 2013 1:08 PM BST
dado are you from New Zealand
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 1:11 PM BST
NZ have a lot to answer for this is so poor! Ok ENG have kept to there tactics but you can't say that is the reason for this NZ have completely allowed this to happen
Report cardshark May 19, 2013 1:13 PM BST
Anyone interested in tickets for tomorrow - £1.00 each
Report cricnut May 19, 2013 1:14 PM BST
NZ have lost a couple of wickets to poor shots, Englands Broad and Anderson have been brilliant. England got in a tight situation and they have destroyed the opposition in 1 hour.
Report RothmanMike May 19, 2013 1:16 PM BST
Since the Pakistan debacle, followed by IPL issues, I look on matches like this with great suspicion.Spoilt it for me.
May be a meritorious performance by England , but time might show it was not.
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 1:17 PM BST
No I am not from NZ but I saw this match to pan out differently and am stating the facts that NZ have given away 5 of the 6 wickets themselves and think that at this level that deserves serious critic
Report rob_dylan May 19, 2013 1:20 PM BST
Nothing dodgy here mike.  NZ are trustworthy people.  This is not Pak.
Report nigelpm1 May 19, 2013 1:20 PM BST
ha ha no fix.  NZ are serial disappointers
Report RothmanMike May 19, 2013 1:37 PM BST
I punt assuming no funny business, but frown a little when apparent stupid, inexplicable things happen.
That having been said, if the NZ bowlers perform very well, its odds on our bowlers can do even better in England.
So a collapse not totally surprising !
Report cricnut May 19, 2013 1:38 PM BST
Look at the scores, before this innings 232, 207, 213, it doesn't take too much working out, that 239 was going to take an awful lot of getting. Broad got 26 not out and it is his day today.
Report Footiefan111 May 19, 2013 2:12 PM BST
54-8
Report Footiefan111 May 19, 2013 2:12 PM BST
embarrassing
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 2:18 PM BST
South African going to be the highest scorer for NZ lol
Report judorick May 19, 2013 2:23 PM BST
eng lost their last 8 wickets for how many? 54 runs was it?
Report treble May 19, 2013 2:30 PM BST
OH CALAMITY!!!
Report alun2005 May 19, 2013 2:30 PM BST
Utter clowns
Report judorick May 19, 2013 2:31 PM BST
calamities, chaos and mayhem

Laugh

nice win
Report cricnut May 19, 2013 2:33 PM BST
Well that was an absolute drubbing England have given New Zealand, an absolute drubbing I hear you all say, well in a match, where just 720 runs were score a winning margin of 170 runs, is a very very large victory.
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 2:34 PM BST
NZ absolutely gave that away cost me a small fortune, credit to ENG for holding the catches and keeping to there plan but this was a shameful contest allround really
Report Captain Wurzel May 19, 2013 2:36 PM BST
Dado - Have you ever won money betting on a cricket match ?
Report Footiefan111 May 19, 2013 2:39 PM BST
dado how much money you done mate
Report Footiefan111 May 19, 2013 2:40 PM BST
i agree with you all new Zealand had to do  was blunt the new ball and not lose wickets 1st 20 overs the chase would have been on
Report judorick May 19, 2013 2:56 PM BST
easier said than done
Report Foinavon May 19, 2013 3:05 PM BST
All that fuss about bad weather and not a single over lost to rain. Only about 10 lost to bad light if I remember correctly.
Bring on the forecast for the second Test.
Report Dado7029 May 19, 2013 3:36 PM BST
don't talk about numbers when it comes down to losses but 4 figures, first the weather got  meon draw and then I thought that NZ were value and they collapsed not much I can do I was wrong on this one, still annoying though
Report nigelpm1 May 19, 2013 3:39 PM BST
Yep, made same mistake Dado - similar loss - way it goes sometimes.
Report cunningplan May 19, 2013 3:43 PM BST
well ended up red on england, having started big red on draw lol, fascinating swings in this test, now hooked to trade rest of summer until prem back in august
Report Foinavon May 19, 2013 3:50 PM BST
Sorry to hear about your loss Dado, it happens to us all from time to time.
Report pxb May 19, 2013 11:16 PM BST
I made a modest profit, but piled most of my green on the draw before start of play, expecting this to go into day 5. Then 15 wickets in 30 0vers. Been a while since I saw that.
Report pxb May 19, 2013 11:17 PM BST
14 wickets
Report Rider May 20, 2013 12:54 PM BST
in interview with Cook after the match had finished on C5, he said the pitch wasnt too bad it was the overhead conditions that made batting very difficult..

were you listening guiness? Laugh
Report d13phe May 20, 2013 2:36 PM BST
pxb 19 May 13 23:16 Joined: 07 Jun 10 | Topic/replies: 1,799 | Blogger: pxb's blog
I made a modest profit, but piled most of my green on the draw before start of play, expecting this to go into day 5. Then 15 wickets in 30 0vers. Been a while since I saw that.


It was ridiculous but the signs were there:

day 1 - 4 wickets
day 2 - 10 wickets
day 3 - 12 wickets
day 4 - 14 wickets
Report Injera May 20, 2013 5:07 PM BST
A great match for trading (not that I took advantage Laugh )

NZ were close to 20s Day One and then reached 30s on Saturday when Joe and Trott were batting.

The draw went odds on  despite an improving forecast and sideways movement, and England were layable and backable at various points.
Report betchat May 21, 2013 11:31 AM BST
Maybe it'll be England's turn to be pathetic in the next test. 

It's not beyond them.
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