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By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 03 May 12 23:30
After a chastening tour of the UAE, where he averaged just 8.50 in the Test series, he had managed just 34 runs in his first three Championship innings of the season. In 16 of his last 20 first-class innings, he has failed to reach 20 and this may well prove his final first-class knock ahead of the first Test at Lord's. His confidence, understandably, had diminished.

He was not, perhaps, at his most fluent for the first half of this innings. He was dropped twice - on 51 and 59 - and survived a very confident leg-before appeal from Mitchell Claydon when he had 61.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2012/content/current/story/563644.html

As a punter it's going to take a lot more than this one-off innings to convince me the popular midget hasn't gone at the game. You don't fail as consistently and abysmally as he has for the last 8 months, then suddenly become Test-class thanks to a couple of dropped catches.
By:
d13phe
When: 04 May 12 10:32
i think he can be spared a couple of dropped catches when the rest of the team were 90 for 7
By:
Captain Wurzel
When: 21 May 12 16:10
Good match for Bell. Coming in with England in a bit of bother 4 down he secures victory with a high class unbeaten half century.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 22 May 12 09:39
With Roach needing a rest, Fidel Edwards (whose long-term back problems require careful management) and Shannon Gabriel (who was forced off the field by back spasms) held together by Blu-Tack and hope, Bell was confronted by Darren Sammy and Samuels for much of the time. He faced only three balls from Roach before he was rested and only one from Edwards in his entire innings. Not for a moment was Bell forced out of his comfort zone

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-west-indies-2012/content/current/story/565741.html

Just as I feared. Keep giving Bell chances and eventually he'll find easy runs, leaving England lumbered with him for another 12 months.
By:
dougydougy.
When: 22 May 12 12:13
you must be off your rocker screaming, he can't be at fault for the fact windies have no back up bowlers, i suppose it's his fault as well that he averaged over 100 last summer. And is suppose those runs he scored away in Aus the winter before last and away in SA must have also have been pretty soft. What a load of codswollop!

There's not a team in the world that wouldn't want to be "lumbered" with Ian Ronald Bell.
By:
Lix
When: 22 May 12 12:21
everyone got runs against india and aus tho didnt they? Both attacks were sh1te. Good knock in Durban mind.
By:
dougydougy.
When: 22 May 12 12:27
he gets runs when everyone else doesn't and it's cos the bowling is sh*te and he gets runs when everyone else does and it's cos the bowling is sh*te, well obviously there's a lot of crap bowling around at the moment so therefore all of the engalnd batsman must be rubbish.
By:
Lix
When: 22 May 12 12:30
he averaged 8.5 in the desert. This is more important than a feckin 50 Not Out vs Sammy and Samuels on a pancake. CryCry
By:
mafeking
When: 22 May 12 12:39
oh for the days when we didn't have someone as bad as ian bell batting at number 5. mark ramprakash perhaps ?
By:
dougydougy.
When: 22 May 12 13:08
They all averaged feck all in the desert, they were all crap, ajmal bowled really well and made everyone look ****. Just cos he did the sh*ttest out of all the sh*t doesn't make him sh*t if you get more point.

He averages 47 in tests, 56 at home, 42 away. has 16 tons and 31 50's. He averages 56 in England, 44 in South Africa, 52 in Pakistan, 44 in Aus, 50 in NZ, 38 in SL, 20 in India and 8.5 in the UAE. He couldn't play ajmal i think we all know that, i'm sure he'll be working on that. But you don't get rid of a man with an outstanding record like that on the back of one bad series v one bowler.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 25 May 12 05:51
I forgot to mention that Bell was nailed on to get runs vs windies this summer.  If he gets some serious runs v saffers this summer then i'll take everything back, but somehow I just know he won't, not if he's under any pressure.  If we (and it's not beyond the realms of possibility) do thrash the saffers like we did india last summer then i've no doubt he'll score heavily, but if it's a real ding dong battle then i doubt he will.  Nothing against the guy, he's just a blatant bottler, don't know why anyone would deny it - and I'm as patriotic as the next england fan.
By:
Captain Wurzel
When: 25 May 12 09:12
He scored some good innings v SA in SA last time when England were up against it. Just trotting out ' he's a bottler ' despite the facts being pointed out to you is a bit lazy imo.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 26 May 12 07:19
well it is subjective wurzel so what facts exactly could disprove my point so fantastically?  The only way to truly analyse him would be to go through every innings in his career and somehow rate each innings in terms of how well he did in relation to the pressure of the situation (which of course would be subjective in itself) and then compare that to a similar rating of his peers, I am too lazy to do this so you're right in that sense, still think he's a bottler mind, anyway i did mention about south africa and i think this thread has come up with about 3 decent innnigs, perhaps 4, under pressure.  I said that wasn't much of a return over his career - especially when compared to kp, trott and cook, and probably strauss too.  So I've listened and maintained my original stance.  He is mentally weak under pressure imo - why does it hurt people so much to say that out loud, it is blindingly obvious imo.  I've nothing against him at all.
By:
dougydougy.
When: 26 May 12 09:10
If bell got out in the last test match with england 50 odd for 4 everyone would say look he bottles it again under pressure. Instead he gets 60 odd not out and see's england home in a tricky little run chase and everyone says, it's to be expected. No one mentions that trott, strauss and kp all bottled it.

Your talking nonsense bob, give me examples of where he's specifically bottled it in comparison to the rest of the team in the last few years and maybe your argument might have some credence, continue to jabber on that "he's a bottle he's a bottle" and it has none.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 26 May 12 09:43
No one accuses Strauss, Trott and KP of bottling it in the last Test, because they were facing a fired-up Roach, Fiddy and Gabriel.

Bell faced Sammy and Samuels for all bar 4 balls.
By:
dougydougy.
When: 26 May 12 10:28
is that his fault?
By:
Captain Wurzel
When: 10 Jun 12 17:27
Composed 50 from Bell after coming in with the side under pressure at 49 for 3.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 11 Jun 12 00:10
Clutching at straws claiming that was proper pressure today
By:
Captain Wurzel
When: 11 Jun 12 07:44
Bell certainly isn't going to dropped anytime soon - will be interested to see how he goes.
By:
dougydougy.
When: 11 Jun 12 12:07
Oh, proper pressure, so it's proper pressure when he fails, and not real pressure when he suceeds. Talk about pick and choose.

I personally think Bell's batting style brings this kind of criticism on himself. He looks so good when he's scoring runs and makes it look so easy, that everyone assumes it's easy and there's no pressure, therefor it appears that he only succeeds when he's not under pressure.
By:
Gomozkov
When: 14 Jun 12 06:54
none
By:
paulypaul
When: 16 Jun 12 23:01
today Vs West Indies he was shocking...
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 20 Jul 12 12:00
100.3
Kallis to Bell, no run, 125.6 kph, outside off, this one doesn't swing and it's left
100.4
Kallis to Bell, OUT, 124.2 kph, gone! He's left it and been bowled. Wonderful set-up by Kallis. After the outswing he brings one back into Bell who shoulders arms and the ball brushes the off bail with just enough force to dislodge it. South Africa initially appeal for lbw before realising it was bowled.

IR Bell b Kallis 13 (56b 2x4 0x6) SR: 23.21

Just as predicted. Gift him cheap runs against the W Indies to ensure he keeps his place, and this is how he rewards you.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 22 Jul 12 18:03
... Looking very solid against Steyn now on Sunday evening. Would be delighted if he batted through to lunch tomorrow and proved me wrong ...
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 04 Aug 12 15:57
Typically weak and gutless dismissal from the ridiculous dwarf when his team needs him.
By:
Lix
When: 04 Aug 12 16:08
said I'd never call him a bottler again if he saved the Oval test 2 weeks ago...

But he didnt.

STILL A MASSIVE MASSIVE BOTTLER. FACT. ETC.. Crazy
By:
A.H HUNTER esq.
When: 04 Aug 12 16:45
When t
By:
A.H HUNTER esq.
When: 04 Aug 12 16:45
When t
By:
A.H HUNTER esq.
When: 04 Aug 12 16:48
When the going gets tough Bell is nowhere to be seen.

A good player when you are on top but rarely performs when your backs are up against the wall.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 18 Aug 12 03:22
Almost, but not quite.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 20 Aug 12 11:46
Bottling Brummie Bellend

18.3
Philander to Bell, OUT, 129.2 kph, gone! Smith juggled it but held on at the second attempt. Bell flashing away outside off stump to a back-of-a-length delivery and the top flies towards first slip where it jumps out Smith's hands but he stays calm and grabs the rebound
IR Bell c Smith b Philander 4 (37b 0x4 0x6) SR: 10.81


Just how incompetent is a management team that manages to lose Trescothick and Pietersen, yet stands by Strauss and Bell?
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 17 Nov 12 07:10
The worst shot in over a century of Test cricket.

Meanwhile, in comes Ian Bell
32.4
Ojha to Bell, OUT, and out goes Ian Bell. Did he spend the last 50 minutes thinking he is going to dance down the wicket first ball and go over mid-off? Sure felt like that. First ball, turning wicket, he wants to beat the spinners off their rhythm. Doesn't quite get to the pitch of it, the ball doesn't bounce as high as he expects, and it goes off the bottom part for easy catch to mid-off. Imploding, are England
IR Bell c Tendulkar b Ojha 0 (1b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00
By:
rob_dylan
When: 17 Nov 12 07:51
Bellis a fkin bottler.  Pathetic.
By:
Nige down south
When: 17 Nov 12 11:21
The guy is all at sea in the sub continent - does not have the game to deal with spin in these conditions. I was a bit surprised he was picked for this test.

Anyhow hope he gets runs in the 2nd innings but im not holding my breath sadly.

At least our openers have made a bit of a fight of it so far, need to bat the whole of tomorrow and a fair bit of monday to save the match.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 17 Nov 12 12:16
Only bright spot is the mi**** Midlands midget already having bottled out of the 2nd Test to attend a birth.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 17 Nov 12 12:17
*mis - hitting
By:
Howellsy
When: 17 Nov 12 12:19
Cricinfo: Bell's first-ball dismissal was mental frailty dressed up as aggressive intent, an attempt to dance down the wicket to strike Ojha down the ground ending in a mis-hit off the bottom of the bat to Sachin Tendulkar at mid-off. To call it rabbit-in-the-headlights stuff was an insult to rabbits. It has yet to be proved that a rabbit sits in its burrow proclaiming: "I am going to be a tough rabbit, I am going to be an adventurous rabbit. I have no idea about the speed of the car or the lie of the road, I am going to take on this car from the start, come what may." Or maybe they do and they are the ones that get splattered.
By:
elisjohn
When: 07 Dec 12 08:46
useless
By:
Nige down south
When: 07 Dec 12 08:50
Would have been more use to England if he had missed the flight back to India!

Sorry Bell you are hopeless on the sub continent
By:
rob_dylan
When: 07 Dec 12 22:19
He will score runs against New Zealand so everything will be hunky dory.
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